The shut down thread

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BowlBrother85 said:
...and what is going to change between now and February 15th? The fact is that 6 Republican Senators (Alexander, Collins, Gardner, Isakson, Murkowski and Romney) voted for a bill without border wall funding while only 1 Democrat (Manchin) voted for a bill with border wall funding. Trump has already caved once, and therefore, has no leverage on this issue if he takes the route of another shutdown. If he is going to issue this so-called national emergency to force it through, he might as well do it now... he is not going to win this through any negotiation. My feeling is that his lawyers are privately telling him that he would likely lose the battle in court if he does go the route of issuing a national emergency. He needs to learn how to take a loss and move on. This is pure stubbornness.
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I agree with you on the legal advice front. If he thought he could pull off the emergency thing, with any degree of confidence, he would have done so. I still think he tries it and then blames the “crooked courts.”
 
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#3,702
BowlBrother85 said:
We are two years into the Trump presidency and an infrastructure spending bill has still never even been discussed. That should have been item #1. This could have been done with bi-partisan support which would have barely even been needed, anyway, when the Republicans had control of the House of Representatives. So, why wasn't it? Because Trump has selfishly prioritized (to an obsessive extent) the issues of immigration and "the wall" which he had used during his campaign rallies to throw red meat to his core base of support. This 35 day shutdown accomplished absolutely nothing other than to demonstrate what horrible leadership skills and management abilities that Donald Trump possesses. Fighting petty political battles are more important to Trump than actually getting important things done. He only cares about taking victory laps in front of his base... and there isn't one to be had with infrastructure spending (since he didn't campaign on it), so he isn't interested in doing it.
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When your spending Billions on illegals immigration is the correct play before infrastructure. You don't clean up the water before you fix the broken pipe.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 only addressed infrastructure in relatively small portions. It allocated $46 billion for transportation projects, including $27 billion for highway and bridge construction and repair and $11.5 billion for mass transit and rail projects; $4.6 billion for the Army Corps of Engineers; $5 billion for public housing improvements and $6.4 billion for clean air and drinking water projects. All needed but also insufficient in addressing long term needs. Any legislation which makes an investment in infrastructure should be a slam dunk right now. Trump never even brings it up... everything is about the damn wall.
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So $5.6 B isn't that big a deal by comparison? Those numbers seem a little low ball; I was thinking the total way way higher. Which category did Nancy's SF field mice fit in?
 
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This is why Trump is not a deal maker... Speaking to The Wall Street Journal on Sunday, Trump said, "I have to do it right." while adding that another partial government shutdown was "certainly an option,". Trump also cast doubt on any deal that would trade wall funding for increased protections or citizenship for 'Dreamers', a group of immigrants who were brought to the U.S. illegally as children, calling it "a separate subject to be taken up at a separate time." Per the Pentagon, an estimated 800 'Dreamers' are currently serving in the United States military.

This is an example of what makes Trump such an ineffective negotiator. He doesn't understand what negotiating is. He just expects the other side to buckle underneath his threats and demands. There have been no compromises made on his part. He has put nothing on the table. Even his threats are hollow, he never follows through on anything. He just caves in, boasts some more, and makes more hollow threats...
 
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Hunerwadel said:
35% of Americans agree.

lawgator1 said:
The dumbest 35 %, yes.
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This isn't true if you consider dumb to be uneducated. It is estimated that the median annual income of Trump supporters was $72,000. If such data is accurate, the portrayal of most Trump supporters as “working class” citizens rebelling against Republican elites may be more myth than fact.
 
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Vahl said:
Hunerwadel said:
35% of Americans agree.



This isn't true if you consider dumb to be uneducated. It is estimated that the median annual income of Trump supporters was $72,000. If such data is accurate, the portrayal of most Trump supporters as “working class” citizens rebelling against Republican elites may be more myth than fact.
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Estimated by who? That doesn't jive with the fact that in the 2016 election, Trump performed his best in the poorest states: and the poorer (West Virginia, Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas and Kentucky) the better.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 only addressed infrastructure in relatively small portions. It allocated $46 billion for transportation projects, including $27 billion for highway and bridge construction and repair and $11.5 billion for mass transit and rail projects; $4.6 billion for the Army Corps of Engineers; $5 billion for public housing improvements and $6.4 billion for clean air and drinking water projects. All needed but also insufficient in addressing long term needs. Any legislation which makes an investment in infrastructure should be a slam dunk right now. Trump never even brings it up... everything is about the damn wall.
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Everything you just posted was on Barrys watch. Remember the shovel ready jobs that never happened? Lol


Don't balme muh Trump.
 
#3,720
#3,720
If I was Trump in reference to the extreme lack of coordination with Nancy Pelosi, I'd write up the State of the Union address as required by the Constitution, request exclusive airtime on Fox and have the SOTU letter delivered to Congress the exact moment I went on the air.

I'd read it verbatim and listen closely for the screaming and wailing from Capital Hill.
 
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Grand Vol said:
If I was Trump in reference to the extreme lack of coordination with Nancy Pelosi, I'd write up the State of the Union address as required by the Constitution, request exclusive airtime on Fox and have the SOTU letter delivered to Congress the exact moment I went on the air.

I'd read it verbatim and listen closely for the screaming and wailing from Capital Hill.
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Trump is too much of a ham to give the SOTU anywhere else but from the House Chamber. Pelosi understood that when she cancelled it.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
That is rather ridiculous. The fact remains that the poorer the state, the better Trump performed in the 2016 election. The wealthier the state, the worse he performed. There was a very clear inverse relationship ... that is not a myth but a fact.
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Nate Silver is pretty dam good
 
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