UT gets warning to protect Jews

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ButchPlz said:
"Judeo-Christian" American evangelicals are just as bad as, if not outright worse than, the LGBTBBQ+-?, "anti-racist" crowd. Two sides of the exact same coin. Pastor/protest leader tells me to shut off brain and bleat, I will do it!
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yeah, definitely the only people I ever felt harassed by were the Bible pushers right outside the library.
 
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LouderVol said:
yeah, definitely the only people I ever felt harassed by were the Bible pushers right outside the library.
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And the pro life people who were allowed to display their large, graphic pictures on campus as well. I just want to get to mgmt 203 unaccosted and with last nights chili cheese pups in my belly
 
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utvolpj said:
And the pro life people who were allowed to display their large, graphic pictures on campus as well. I just want to get to mgmt 203 unaccosted
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My favorite was screaming at random girls calling them whores and damning them to hell for all of their abortions. They had no idea who any of the girls were personally lol. I wonder if they can just tell by the look in their eyes or something.
 
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LouderVol said:
you are conflating multiple issues. The protestor has much right to take up the physical space they exist in as the next person. they are allowed to protest. they are allowed to say things that other people disagree with.

being physical, or stopping someone from moving is a completely separate issue.
threats are a separate issue as well. It sounds like UT has handled such cases appropriately, multiple arrests were mentioned.

someone protesting while wearing a mask is no more of a violation of someone else's right than if they were simply protesting. mask or no mask makes no difference to that matter. it makes me think of the Hot Fuzz bit "why is that guy hiding his face?", "maybe he's just effing ugly", "or maybe he has something to hide.", "yeah, that he is effing ugly"
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The protesters rights are gone when they antagonize and prevents the safety of others. I’ve stated one can protest peacefully. If one cannot abide by protesting with no mask, then the agenda isn’t for the cause. So no, I’m not conflating multiple issues. The mask is to hide the identity, nothing more nothing less. Which is pretty weak.
 
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Majors said:
The protesters rights are gone when they antagonize and prevents the safety of others. I’ve stated one can protest peacefully. If one cannot abide by protesting with no mask, then the agenda isn’t for the cause. So no, I’m not conflating multiple issues. The mask is to hide the identity, nothing more nothing less. Which is pretty weak.
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How is wearing a mask antagonizing someone?
 
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MercyPercy said:
My favorite was screaming at random girls calling them whores and damning them to hell for all of their abortions. They had no idea who any of the girls were personally lol. I wonder if they can just tell by the look in their eyes or something.
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That's like a super power. Maybe i should have spent some time hanging around them...
 
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utvolpj said:
And the pro life people who were allowed to display their large, graphic pictures on campus as well. I just want to get to mgmt 203 unaccosted and with last nights chili cheese pups in my belly
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they had some bad ones, but they certainly weren't the only graphic images on display. There were some pro-abortion, and STD prevention ones that were equally disturbing imo.
 
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Smokey123 said:
How is wearing a mask antagonizing someone?
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Blocking other students from class, interrupting Israeli studies, blocking traffic, distributing anti-Zionism flyers. Everything that’s happened on campuses from UCLA to Barnard College.

These aren’t peaceful protest of respecting the first amendment…these are hostile environments making threats and demands targeting a certain population.
 
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Majors said:
Blocking other students from class, interrupting Israeli studies, blocking traffic, distributing anti-Zionism flyers. Everything that’s happened on campuses from UCLA to Barnard College.

These aren’t peaceful protest of respecting the first amendment…these are hostile environments making threats and demands targeting a certain population.
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So what does any of that have to do with banning masks at a protest?
 
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Majors said:
Blocking other students from class, interrupting Israeli studies, blocking traffic, distributing anti-Zionism flyers. Everything that’s happened on campuses from UCLA to Barnard College.

These aren’t peaceful protest of respecting the first amendment…these are hostile environments making threats and demands targeting a certain population.
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If being handed a flyer advocating for something you disagree with causes you trauma.......... That's a you thing.
 
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KB5252 said:
Do we think a law citing wearing a mask while committing another offense would be of any benefit?



Yeah, me neither.
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I think there were laws preventing masks in other contexts, like banks and gov't buildings, etc? I remember the memes when mask mandates started. "Really? Now you are MAKING us wear masks in banks?"

Seems that there may be an argument to make masks illegal in protests where violence or calls to violence may be a possibility?
 
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KB5252 said:
If being handed a flyer advocating for something you disagree with causes you trauma.......... That's a you thing.
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Yah. I think people may have read past the "harassment speech held to a high standard" part of my quote/link.

Seems a big difference between seeing uncomfortable pictures or being told you may be sent somewhere that you don't believe exists by someone you don't believe in, as opposed to being a Jew on a campus where lots of people are reiterating that all Jews should be killed, etc...

As I understand it, it's not merely about being uncomfortable. It's about the high standard of reasonable belief that you are being targeted in such a way that you can't pursue your education activities at a university, for example.

Geez, the discussion went from:

"All speech should be free; you can't dictate opinions and speech!"

To:

"Actually, legally, there are instances where your speech could be so extreme that it makes a person or group legitimately feel so unsafe that it prevents their liberties, and that is not protected--though it's held to a high standard and generally errs on the side of protecting speech and opinions."

To:

"Really?! Well, what about all THOSE people that made me feel uncomfortable? They're just as bad! Why did they get to do that?!"


Well, maybe their freedoms of speech didn't reach the high standard of actually making you reasonably feel too immediately unsafe to go about your business? Just a thought?
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
My joke was how to get in trouble for making fun of a Jew.

I was going to go with your musical tastes or your ref bashing. I chose ref bashing.

Id make fun of you being cheap as hell but that's one of your redeeming qualities....
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I suspect if you did 23 and me you’d find out you’re at least part Jew.
The cheapness….those shoes…..come on
 
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