Do you take Gruden at $50m over 10 years?

#51
#51
Make that offer now.
You make your return in revenue in two yrs (tickets, merch, etc..), or keep Dooley and lose money every second as this drags on.
 
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If you look at it hard enough, there are concerns with any coaching candidate at any point before they actually have the job and are winning. There were concerns about Brian Kelly. There were concerns about Saban. What you have to ask yourself, ultimately, is who is the best guy we can get? Who has the most potential to win huge here? Who can put us on equal footing with our rivals? I think the answer to all of these is Gruden, and if that's the case, and he's willing to take the job, then you have to meet every demand you possibly can to secure him.
 
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LaagerVol said:
So you don't think the man can coach.....
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Not being a smart ass...

But,

Tell me why his previous coaching record suggests that he would be worthy of the richest coaching contract ever awarded in college football.

Super Bowl? Sure its impressive, but there are several that have that ring

His overall Coaching record? Not imporessed

His record after the superbowl ? Seriously?

Not crapping on JG at all, just saying some people need to get real. He is John Gruden. Not John the Baptist.

Pay the man 6M on a four year deal if he will come. I dont believe he would.

As well, if the 10 year deal would bring him to Knoxville where a 4 year deal wouldnt, then he's doing it for the wrong reasons. That or he himself doesnt have enough self confidece in his own coaching acumen.
 
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rockytopcowboy said:
Flame me if you want. I have to agree with Mr. Gator on this one.
Gruden is not coming to UT. Why would he. He can make the same amount of money, if not more in the NFL with half the work.

Weigh out the pros and cons if you were in the same postion as Gruden.

We will be lucky to land Patterson or Strong.

Just keeping it real.

P.S.
I will run through my neighborhood buck naked if I'm wrong!!

GO BIG ORANGE!!!!
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YOU WOULD TAKE STRONG OVER GRUDEN!!!!!!??????? :spank:
 
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You make that offer. It will pay off. Be bold and go for it. Or be conservative and keep Dooley. Either one. Personally, I like the first one.


Either invest the money in a proven commodity and hope for tremendous dividiends or never have it via lost revenue. Again I like the first option.
 
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99gator said:
I think people need to take a step back, breathe a little, and ask when gruden became god's gift to coaching.

Tennessee needs to get the best coach they can, not the coolest name out there
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Agree to the fullest, I want Gruden but 10 years is ridiculous. He has not proven anything at the college ranks. Flame away.
 
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orangepeopleeater said:
I was buzzing through the net this morning and found this ... Is Tony Basilio credible or is this just another rumor being spread? Its getting hard to sort through true journalism and gossip.

This is from Tonys talking points .... couldn't get a link kept sending me to a google search.



Now, I am happy to report exclusively here that there has been some movement on the Gruden front. Remember, I've been telling you that Tennessee wanted to make sure that Gruden would take the UT job before any offer was ever extended to him???? Well, it's getting very interesting around here right now. Sources really close to this situation tell me that Gruden's agent Bob LaMonte has told Tennessee that Gruden WOULD TAKE THE TENNESSEE job if offered. Here's where it gets really interesting. Gruden's financial demands are mindboggling in this day and age.


Gruden's Demands:
A guaranteed 10 year deal @ $5 million per year.
A kitty of $4-5 million per year for his assistants.



I can report that Tennessee hasn't given LaMonte any answer to this. Remember, I told you yesterday that things from UT's end has cooled recently on Gruden as they have some concerns about his style correlating to the major college level. But I've been telling you these concerns wouldn't be a deal breaker in this situation if Gruden could alleviate these concerns.



I believe Tennessee could seek some wiggle room in these terms but LaMonte has given indication that the terms requested are pretty firm. In other words, Tennessee could come back with something lower but not much lower.


I believe The Gruden/Tennessee deal is still in play. It's far from a done deal as some have said. And it's not completely over yet either. I expect this flirtation to continue for a while.


This latest turn with LaMonte telling Dave Hart and UT's brass that Gruden is interested in coming is quite a development.



I can tell you that Peyton Manning remains active in this search along with all the heavy hitters and Dave Hart.




Now, the ball is officially in Tennessee's court. 10 years and $50 million guaranteed just for the head coach is a tremendous commitment to ask of UT at this point in time.


Remember, I've told you countless times here that the big $$$ folks here have vowed to everyone concerned about Tennessee football that they will get it right.


From where I sit offering Jon Gruden that kind of deal at Tennessee is a profound risk. It's not the same thing as Bama offering Saban that uber dollar deal several years back. Saban was a proven coaching commodity when Alabama gave him the world. Gruden at this level with a guaranteed $50 million contract and a guaranteed $4-5 million per year for his assistants is a tremendous risk to a place already feeling the economic crunch. And, unlike Saban (I use Saban because St. Nick is always mentioned as the reason UT needs to get in the football business) Gruden, though a huge personality and public relations coup, is not a sure thing in terms of success at this level. And remember UT has concerns about his temperament playing at the major college level.


I'll give the folks at UT (including Dave Hart) lots of credit. The ball is moving down the track and they are proceeding as one unified voice right now. Good stuff.
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Gruden 10 years @ 5 Million for him plus 5 million per year for his assitants is a 100 MM comitment = Disaster, will send TN vols to obscurity if it doesnt work. We will be back to the Stone Ages and completely irrelevant.

Petrino 4 years @ 2 Million for him plus 2 million for his assistants is a 16 MM commitment. = Common Sense and a reasonable business desicion.

Not to mention Petrino is a PROVEN HEAD COACH IN THE SEC.
 
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Blledingtangerine said:
Not being a smart ass...

But,

Tell me why his previous coaching record suggests that he would be worthy of the richest coaching contract ever awarded in college football.

Super Bowl? Sure its impressive, but there are several that have that ring

His overall Coaching record? Not imporessed

His record after the superbowl ? Seriously?

Not crapping on JG at all, just saying some people need to get real. He is John Gruden. Not John the Baptist.

Pay the man 6M on a four year deal if he will come. I dont believe he would.

As well, if the 10 year deal would bring him to Knoxville where a 4 year deal wouldnt, then he's doing it for the wrong reasons. That or he himself doesnt have enough self confidece in his own coaching acumen.
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A little advice.

I couldn't care less personally, but IF Jon Gruden Is hired as the next HC of UTK....you had better learn how to spell his name correctly.

:yes:
 
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Blledingtangerine said:
Gruden 10 years @ 5 Million for him plus 5 million per year for his assitants is a 100 MM comitment = Disaster, will send TN vols to obscurity if it doesnt work. We will be back to the Stone Ages and completely irrelevant.
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and where are we now? This program and fanbase need a big shot in the arm that Petrino couldn't bring. However the most recognizable face in football can do that
 
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Blledingtangerine said:
Gruden 10 years @ 5 Million for him plus 5 million per year for his assitants is a 100 MM comitment = Disaster, will send TN vols to obscurity if it doesnt work. We will be back to the Stone Ages and completely irrelevant.

Petrino 4 years @ 2 Million for him plus 2 million for his assistants is a 16 MM commitment. = Common Sense and a reasonable business desicion.

Not to mention Petrino is a PROVEN HEAD COACH IN THE SEC.
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I'd rather be in obscurity than ever employ bobby petrino
 
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I would rather hitch my wagon to a guy who reached the pinnacle in the professional game. Gruden's name will generate revenue over the first few years that will make up for his contract. We all agree he will be able to sign the top talent every year. He will be at least as good if not better coach than any coach in the SEC. I don't think we are making that big of a gamble at all with Gruden.
 
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utvolpj said:
and where are we now? This program and fanbase need a big shot in the arm that Petrino couldn't bring. However the most recognizable face in football can do that
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I'll agree. We do need a shot in the arm, but I promise it doesnt have to cost 100 Million to that. Half of that can can bring the same results.
 
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Blledingtangerine said:
Not being a smart ass...

But,

Tell me why his previous coaching record suggests that he would be worthy of the richest coaching contract ever awarded in college football.

Super Bowl? Sure its impressive, but there are several that have that ring 26. There are 26 coaches who have that ring. Do you realize how many coaches there have been in the NFL?? Look at the list.

His overall Coaching record? Not imporessed
Why not? It's right on par with Bill Parcells and some other very successful, superbowl winning coaches. Also, a good portion of Parcells success was before the salary cap era. The NFL is set up for parity such that it is very difficult to have what some would consider to be a great record. Belichik is in the .600s

His record after the superbowl ? Seriously?

Yep, seriously. Hard to win when your ownership guts the team because it wants to buy the most expensive soccer team in the world.

Not crapping on JG at all, just saying some people need to get real. He is John Gruden. Not John the Baptist.

Yes, you are crapping on JG

Pay the man 6M on a four year deal if he will come. I dont believe he would.

As well, if the 10 year deal would bring him to Knoxville where a 4 year deal wouldnt, then he's doing it for the wrong reasons. That or he himself doesnt have enough self confidece in his own coaching acumen.
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I'm sure he has plenty of confidence in his coaching acumen. He is a student of the game and he has a passion for the game.
 
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#72
#72
Hey Bobby nice try but we do not want you here. Now go write someone a note that you are a quitter.
 
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Blledingtangerine said:
I know, now that I think about it, your right, it would suck to win 10 or 11 games a year like he was doing at Arky.
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If you can assume he would win 10-11 here, then we can also assume Gruden would win SEC titles here. So your premise is defeated.
 
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LaagerVol said:
I'm sure he has plenty of confidence in his coaching acumen. He is a student of the game and he has a passion for the game.
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Remove morals, charisma and all the other crap and bring it down to coaching, development and X's and O's and I'll take Saban, Petrino or Chip Kelly over JG any day.

None of those guys have a "sexy" approach the way JG does. None have the charisma JG does, but everyone of them are more proven than JG for the position to which we are discussing him for.
 
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