Do you take Gruden at $50m over 10 years?

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#102
People would have more patience for Gruden because he has a ring, and Dooley only had a friend who has rings.
 
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Scotty's Flat Top said:
Yeah who wants a guy who thinks enough about this job that he wants long term stability for 10 years.


Do y'all really think we eat all that money if it doesn't "work out" per se? Jon Gruden is a brand. A damn money making brand at that. He will put butts in the seat and merchandise off the shelf instantly. He puts Tennessee's name in the limelight and on the national stage. You all want that, but want to bypass what it takes ($) to get there.
Sunny beaches, it isn't like the AD, University and Boosters are going to eat all that money. Be smart people.
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Gotta spend money to make money homie, I know you know that as half of your post states, but he if he can come for 2 years at 5 a year, you take it.
 
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Its risky for sure, but we are at the point now that we are gonna have to take a risk to get where we want to be in the amount of time we all want to get there. Gruden certainly on name alone will bring the talent. Im not comfy with a 10 year deal for anybody, but is that a starting point for negotiations or his bottom line demand? None of us really know, and we dont even know if those numbers are real. Thats a huge, huge commitment, an unprecedented deal if im not mistaken. Money aside, if someone asked me if i would be happy if JG was our coach for the next 10 years, id say heck yea! If we are committing to that kind of contract, id expect him to be as equally committed and he would pay if he decided to leave before the end of that contract.
 
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99gator said:
How many did bobby bowden, steve spurrier or nick saban win?

Did bear bryant or gen neyland win the super bowl?
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Do you think any of the above mentioned names (current ones, not the old ones. Too much has changed) could win a Super Bowl?
 
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99gator said:
How many did bobby bowden, steve spurrier or nick saban win?

Did bear bryant or gen neyland win the super bowl?
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Thanks for proving the point that it's harder to win in the NFL than in college. The ole ball coach has a NC but was horrible in the NFL. Saban, same thing.
 
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What I find funny is that the same information that Basilio is touting as "new" was mentioned on volnation back in like Jon Gruden II thread in the coach rumor forum.

Now the idea that he would want 5-6 mil for his staff is new and if real would probably be the end of the discussions if true.
 
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Ill say this and i think all here would agree. JG is announced as the new HC at UT, watch demand for season tickets to sky-rocket, watch UT apparel start flying off the shelves again, watch the band wagon fill back up, and watch the enormous media coverage that UT Football starts getting again. There will be an immediate positive financial impact, an immediate boost to moral, and immediately all of the negative from the past 5 years will be forgotten. Can he be successful and keep that up is the question. I personally think he can.
 
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LaagerVol said:
Wrong! Where did you get that? Jimmy Johnson was just on the Dan Patrick show the other day saying how much more work, how much more of a grind, the NFL is over college. I think I trust his take on the difficulties of the job over yours.
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I am referring to the daily grind of recruiting, contending with the NCAA looking over your shoulder with every move you make, and answering for the actions of 85+ young men in college. I'm sure I forgot a few, but they are all headaches that NFL coaches do not have.

I am a diehard Dallas fan, but I believe it was more of a grind for Johnson because of "Cocaine Cowboys" from the 90's. He had the same problems at UM.
 
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Blledingtangerine said:
Seriously?

Someone would have to be beyond stupid to award a contract like that. Not to Gruden, not to Patterson, Carroll, Peterson even Saban.

Sometimes, humans just lose their spirit. They lose the drive they once had.

Haslam didnt get to where he is by making stupid decisions and a contract such as that is just stupid.

Personally, if I were to ever have a lapse in judgement and award a contract such as that, it sure as hell wouldnt be to Gruden.

Tell me this...

Other than the initial "WOW!! Tennessee landed John Gruden! " and recruits initially being wowed by his celebrity(which would certainly help to land alot of high end recruits such as Bryce Brown), What else are you guaranteed to get?

If after his intial splash, he isnt winning, kids wont be nearly as impressed by him.

Gruden brings no guarantees other than initial recruiting, he has never been a successful college coach and its just ludicrous to me that such a suggestion would ever even be discussed.

Get real.
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At some point every coach is not a successful college coach, but someone gave them a chance. Or do you mean as successful as DD cause we see how that is working out. Are you trying to say the guy can't coach? He won a super bowl, that's the highest football achievement. Also, if you have the best players and the best coach year after year, then you have a pretty good shot at being the best team, is that not the goal along with bringing in money, which that would do.
 
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rockytopcowboy said:
I am referring to the daily grind of recruiting, contending with the NCAA looking over your shoulder with every move you make, and answering for the actions of 85+ young men in college. I'm sure I forgot a few, but they are all headaches that NFL coaches do not have.

I am a diehard Dallas fan, but I believe it was more of a grind for Johnson because of "Cocaine Cowboys" from the 90's. He had the same problems at UM.
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you think deal with 22yo overnight millionaires is really that much easier?
 
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Blledingtangerine said:
Not really. Petrino is a better coach.
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He isn't, but setting that aside, it doesn't matter. Petrino is damaged goods and there's no reason to suspect his career will ever be the same again. He's never going to be able to recruit to the same level again (and he wasn't a good recruiter in the first place).
 
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rockytopcowboy said:
I am referring to the daily grind of recruiting, contending with the NCAA looking over your shoulder with every move you make, and answering for the actions of 85+ young men in college. I'm sure I forgot a few, but they are all headaches that NFL coaches do not have.

I am a diehard Dallas fan, but I believe it was more of a grind for Johnson because of "Cocaine Cowboys" from the 90's. He had the same problems at UM.
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The man said it himself that he would much rather go back and coach Miami again because the NFL was more of a grind. I heard it myself. So you really aren't arguing with me about it, you are arguing with Jimmy Johnson. Don't forget that the Cowpokes weren't his only NFL gig.

Just for clarity, are you saying that you know which job is more difficult better than Jimmy Johnson does??
 
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If I were negotiating the contract, I would keep the per annum money, but I would try to negotiate down to a 7 year guarantee.

Ten years is pushing it for anyone in the college game, especially at Tennessee. There is no doubt Gruden will be able to recruit nationally and regionally at Tennessee - recruit as well as anyone in the nation - but it is still harder work here than our rival programs.
 
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1allvol said:
Ill say this and i think all here would agree. JG is announced as the new HC at UT, watch demand for season tickets to sky-rocket, watch UT apparel start flying off the shelves again, watch the band wagon fill back up, and watch the enormous media coverage that UT Football starts getting again. There will be an immediate positive financial impact, an immediate boost to moral, and immediately all of the negative from the past 5 years will be forgotten. Can he be successful and keep that up is the question. I personally think he can.
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EXACTLY! :good!:
 
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Stability, Stability, Stability!!!!!!!! You are putting the cart before the horse. Stability only comes after the head coach shows he is the man for the job. Once he shows he is a winner like(Bowden, Fulmer, Brown) this is when you keep stability. If you are loosing all the time you aren't doing your program any good by just keeping a guy around for stability. If you want just to have stability in the program don't go on the field do community service instead.
 
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99gator said:
I'm not a big believer in hiring a pro coach.
Heck, if you are going to throw that kind of coin at someone, you could steal a number of successful college coaches away
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Pete Carrol and USC are glad you wren't the AD.

Also, how many SB winning coaches are there floating around the college ranks?
 
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You guys are going to be so dissapointed when this doesnt happen.
Your going to lose your mind.
Your going to be begging for Petrino to come and I swear I hope its too late .

TN fans are regarded nationally as delusional, maybe the most deluisional in the country.

I mean I love the Vols just as much as the next guy but my god you guys need to get real.

Wanting JG is understandable, I want him myself, but betting the farm on him is rediculous. 100 MM over 10 years for him and his assistants?

I ask all you guys who say "HECK YEAH MAN, ITS EASY, ITS A NO BRAINER" ....

Have you ever ran a succesful business? Ever even darkened the doorway of a business fundementals class?

Get Real
 
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