‘18 QB Grad Transfer Keller Chryst (UT commit 3/1/18)

[checkerboards09]

Prolly not long. Swift outrushed both in the SEC Championship game...in only 7 carries. They have the top rated incoming runningback. Throw in Holyfield and you might have that defining epic TRIO...wouldn’t that be a hoot? :lol:

Yeah it would be, but your only problem is you have no proof or facts because it hasn’t happened. So one guy had one good game? still doesn’t back up the facts.

 

[checkerboards09]

Michel was a poor man’s Kamara. Chubb while good is nothing close to his freshman/sophomore form.

Swift is faster than both and a better receiver than Michel. They also have Holyfield and two new 5 stars coming in. Plus a much better offensive line. The drop off you think is coming, isn’t.

We shall see. Until it actually happens, you just don’t know. Results speak, not hype.

 

[The Breakerboy]

i think Fromm had a fantastic season. freshman QB, 5* expectations, had to come off the bench, and he executed what they wanted him to do, to damn near perfection.

i think you can give him A LOT of credit.

that said, when you talk about 2017 UGA, and why they were successful, it's Defense, Running game #1 and #2 at teh top of the list. and having Fromm be who he was, is probably a very close 3rd.

i don't think Fromm makes a huge difference on the 2017 Vols, maybe we get to 6 wins and go to a bowl. but he doesn't take TN from 4 to 8 or 9 wins.

likewise, i think JG would have been better on the 2017 UGA team, and probably could have won the East. i don't know they win the SEC Title game or go to the playoffs with him. but 10 wins and a division title, and a NY6 bowl? yeah, i could see that.

we had a pretty bad team when it was all said and done last year. UGA had a really really good team when it was all said and done. and neither was defined by the QB.

Name something that Fromm really does better than JG? Chaney is a good OC and helped his QB with easy reads/throws. Our coaches were dumb. Fromm didn’t win the SEC Title game for them. Auburn was just banged up and they ran the ball better.

I think Fromm was a good FRESHMAN qb but you all are giving him a lot of credit when Georgia was running on people. Plus his schedule was really weak. He didn’t have pressure on him 90-95% of the year to win football games.

 

[The Breakerboy]

Michel was a poor man’s Kamara. Chubb while good is nothing close to his freshman/sophomore form.

Swift is faster than both and a better receiver than Michel. They also have Holyfield and two new 5 stars coming in. Plus a much better offensive line. The drop off you think is coming, isn’t.

They won’t sneak up on anyone this year. I think they’ll be good though. But Bama did beat them playing one half of football.

 

[vol2002]

Name something that Fromm really does better than JG?

Win football games.

 

[butchna]

Yeah it would be, but your only problem is you have no proof or facts because it hasn’t happened. So one guy had one good game? still doesn’t back up the facts.

Ok...I’ll play. What FACTS you got saying they won’t? What PROOF you got that this fresh bunch don’t BETTER what was before? Now we both got a PROBLEM.

 

[butchna]

They won’t sneak up on anyone this year. I think they’ll be good though. But Bama did beat them playing one half of football.

They knew who Chubb and Michel were before last season. It was all over the internet. :lol:

 

[butchna]

Name something that Fromm really does better than JG? Chaney is a good OC and helped his QB with easy reads/throws. Our coaches were dumb. Fromm didn’t win the SEC Title game for them. Auburn was just banged up and they ran the ball better.

I think Fromm was a good FRESHMAN qb but you all are giving him a lot of credit when Georgia was running on people. Plus his schedule was really weak. He didn’t have pressure on him 90-95% of the year to win football games.

Beat everybody on their schedule...eventually. That’s all you can do.

 

[checkerboards09]

Ok...I’ll play. What FACTS you got saying they won’t? What PROOF you got that this fresh bunch don’t BETTER what was before? Now we both got a PROBLEM.

I’m going by what’s happened and the facts are they were an ALL TIME duo statistically. How many times does it happen that somebody better comes along the following year? Not saying things like that can’t happen, but the chances aren’t very good. Those are big shoes to fill for anybody. Assuming isn’t factual, let’s see it happen first before we crown anybody.

 

[jakez4ut]

Name something that Fromm really does better than JG? Chaney is a good OC and helped his QB with easy reads/throws. Our coaches were dumb. Fromm didn’t win the SEC Title game for them. Auburn was just banged up and they ran the ball better.

I think Fromm was a good FRESHMAN qb but you all are giving him a lot of credit when Georgia was running on people. Plus his schedule was really weak. He didn’t have pressure on him 90-95% of the year to win football games.

i don't think i said anything to contradict that.

Fromm did what he was ASKED to do, and he did it very well. he executed what they wanted.

he was extremely fortunate to be in a situation with a team as good as UGA, and when people think back on why UGA was as good as they were in 2017, it's defense and run game at the top of the list.

i don't think Fromm makes all that much difference on the 2017 vols.

likewise, i don't think necessarily think JG is some huge difference maker on 2017 UGA. the story with that team starts with the defense and run game, regardless of who the QB was.

you can still give Fromm credit though. he did do what they wanted him to do, and he did it very well.....as a freshman, coming off the bench, with all the hype and pressure mounting as the season went on. and teams went in to most games with the idea of "make the freshman beat you", and he did.

 

[Outofmyvolcanmind]

They won’t sneak up on anyone this year. I think they’ll be good though. But Bama did beat them playing one half of football.

Let’s not discredit Georgia in that first half. Those kids played hard and weren’t scared. The QB change is the reason Bama won.

 

[GVF]

I’m going by what’s happened and the facts are they were an ALL TIME duo statistically. How many times does it happen that somebody better comes along the following year? Not saying things like that can’t happen, but the chances aren’t very good. Those are big shoes to fill for anybody. Assuming isn’t factual, let’s see it happen first before we crown anybody.

I would agree so far as it is, or should be known, that being an all time duo is as much about chemistry as it is about two talented backs on the field. Chubb/Michel were unselfish and more about team and the other than they were their own game. that is why they were who they were. Period. If at any time one of them became selfish for their own stats, that duo would have died.

 

[butchna]

I’m going by what’s happened and the facts are they were an ALL TIME duo statistically. How many times does it happen that somebody better comes along the following year? Not saying things like that can’t happen, but the chances aren’t very good. Those are big shoes to fill for anybody. Assuming isn’t factual, let’s see it happen first before we crown anybody.

They were special their FINAL year together. Before that they were individually productive. In today’s game, this’ll be easily duplicated. Specially when you bring in new 5 stars each class. Doesn’t at Bama because they identify one horse and ride the whole season with him. UGA will continue to feed multiple mouths. I don’t think they miss a beat.

 

[JacketVol]

Ok...I’ll play. What FACTS you got saying they won’t? What PROOF you got that this fresh bunch don’t BETTER what was before? Now we both got a PROBLEM.

You were arguing no facts because Fromm didn’t play for UT then call out someone wanting proof of how they won’t be better when you think they will be with something that didn’t happen yet. You take whichever side of logic you wish just to fit whatever narrative you are pushing. You do like to argue just for the sake of it sometimes I do believe. Does make you a little Bruin like. Just saying. Making me laugh.

 

[butchna]

You were arguing no facts because Fromm didn’t play for UT then call out someone wanting proof of how they won’t be better when you think they will be with something that didn’t happen yet. You take whichever side of logic you wish just to fit whatever narrative you are pushing. You do like to argue just for the sake of it sometimes I do believe. Does make you a little Bruin like. Just saying. Making me laugh.

He was counter arguing that UGA new backs wouldn’t accomplish a feat as a FACT. I don’t argue to argue. I argue when I DISAGREE...like everybody else! Somehow I’m not afforded that privilege. I didn’t see the point in magically switching Fromm and JG as the solution to Fromm being special...so I said so. Sometime I think you pull the Bruin card when you get lazy instead of conceding that we just disagree on a subject.

 

[Vols4us]

Fromm didn’t have a Florida of the 90s Level team on his schedule. When he did play a good defense(Auburn) he got exposed. But fans won’t see that at all.

You mean like in the SECCG when UGA beat Auburn 28-7?

Tee got exposed as well. The running game covered for him. No NC without Stoerner fumble.

 

[Vols4us]

Jake Fromm and Tee Martin comparison based purely on cherry picked stats

I’ve seen it all folks

Not based upon styles of individual play as well as the team play around them resulting in appearances in the NC. The stats merely confirm the play on the field. Make your case for it not being true. How old were you in 1998?

 

[JacketVol]

He was counter arguing that UGA new backs wouldn’t accomplish a feat as a FACT. I don’t argue to argue. I argue when I DISAGREE...like everybody else! Somehow I’m not afforded that privilege. I didn’t see the point in magically switching Fromm and JG as the solution to Fromm being special...so I said so. Sometime I think you pull the Bruin card when you get lazy instead of conceding that we just disagree on a subject.

I just like to aggravate the dog. My main thing is a QB say like Dobbs can lift a team and make them better. Butch would still be here if he had found a way to RS Dobbs and has him last year. Fromm couldn’t have done that. He is very good but my thinking is that it really helps to have a stud team around you and they made Fromm look better as a freshman than he was at this point in his career. He will get better too. He is not the kind of guy who will lift a team to be better when they are bad such as what the VOLS were.

 

[JacketVol]

And I am not lazy just busy with having to run this company even on a Friday so I can’t stay engaged in the fight. 😂

 

[butchna]

I just like to aggravate the dog. My main thing is a QB say like Dobbs can lift a team and make them better. Butch would still be here if he had found a way to RS Dobbs and has him last year. Fromm couldn’t have done that. He is very good but my thinking is that it really helps to have a stud team around you and they made Fromm look better as a freshman than he was at this point in his career. He will get better too. He is not the kind of guy who will lift a team to be better when they are bad such as what the VOLS were.

Your opinion. :hi:


Hasn’t changed mine.

 

[butchna]

And I am not lazy just busy with having to run this company even on a Friday so I can’t stay engaged in the fight. 😂

Potatoes tomatoes. :shades:

 

[Nashvegas31]

I hate UGA but fromm is a stud. I said he would beat out Eason when he wasn't even in campus yet. Kids IT factor is off the charts. People play another level for him. easin left and couldn't get job back for a reason folks. Now they have another stud in fields must be nice.

I think JG potential is unlimited. I just have questions about his leadership qualities that still remain unanswered. It sounds like he is taking some of those steps right now. There were chances last year in close games to pull out a win by rallying the team and he didn't do it. JG has to take the full step away from me me to team. It was something dilfer was very critical of him at elite 11. He whined a lot there like he did here last yr. if it clicks the kids going to be a star

 

[Go Fight Win]

Not based upon styles of individual play as well as the team play around them resulting in appearances in the NC. The stats merely confirm the play on the field. Make your case for it not being true. How old were you in 1998?

That's a fair explanation of the statistics. I will take back the cherry picking comment. I will not take back it being a ridiculous comparison in my eyes. You're comparing an 18 year old true freshman to a 21 year old junior.

I totally get the argument that Fromm had an amazing offense surrounding him, especially run game.

The same argument can be made in reverse for why he didn't have better passing stats: his WR core is nothing to write home about. Javon Wims, Terry Godwin, a freshman Mecole Hardman were the only real contributors and are easily bottom half of the SEC as a unit.

So yes, he had arguably the greatest tandem at RB in the history of the league which definitely 100% made him look like a better QB than he is, but he also had garbage WR's (outside Mecole, IMO that kid will be a monster for them), so I consider that a wash. What he was able to do with those guys was pretty amazing to watch, subjectively.

I mean, none of us will agree on this, which is cool, I enjoy arguing sports stuff, but I'm not buying the comparison.

Either way, carry on my dudes and GBO :rock:

 

[butchna]

That's a fair explanation of the statistics. I will take back the cherry picking comment. I will not take back it being a ridiculous comparison in my eyes. You're comparing an 18 year old true freshman to a 21 year old junior.

I totally get the argument that Fromm had an amazing offense surrounding him, especially run game.

The same argument can be made in reverse for why he didn't have better passing stats: his WR core is nothing to write home about. Javon Wims, Terry Godwin, a freshman Mecole Hardman were the only real contributors and are easily bottom half of the SEC as a unit.

So yes, he had arguably the greatest tandem at RB in the history of the league which definitely 100% made him look like a better QB than he is, but he also had garbage WR's (outside Mecole, IMO that kid will be a monster for them), so I consider that a wash. What he was able to do with those guys was pretty amazing to watch, subjectively.

I mean, none of us will agree on this, which is cool, I enjoy arguing sports stuff, but I'm not buying the comparison.

Either way, carry on my dudes and GBO :rock:

The CAREER bullet point is slanted also. Heavily weighted on Chubb’s phenomenal freshman season and his subsequent injury. That led to him staying four seasons and Michel doing likewise filling in for his bad spells. They were a devastating TANDEM in only one of those seasons...last year. Otherwise Chubb’s in the second year of his NFL career instead of being the crux of a message board argument about a QB his school signed.

 

[The Breakerboy]

i don't think i said anything to contradict that.

Fromm did what he was ASKED to do, and he did it very well. he executed what they wanted.

he was extremely fortunate to be in a situation with a team as good as UGA, and when people think back on why UGA was as good as they were in 2017, it's defense and run game at the top of the list.

i don't think Fromm makes all that much difference on the 2017 vols.

likewise, i don't think necessarily think JG is some huge difference maker on 2017 UGA. the story with that team starts with the defense and run game, regardless of who the QB was.

you can still give Fromm credit though. he did do what they wanted him to do, and he did it very well.....as a freshman, coming off the bench, with all the hype and pressure mounting as the season went on. and teams went in to most games with the idea of "make the freshman beat you", and he did.

Sony Michel had 16 TDs....Nick Chubb had 15 TDs.....No.3 RB Swift had 600+ yards.....

Fromm didn’t have to beat teams. That running game really dominated all year for them. Not hard to throw if the defense is scared to let the backs gut them. I think a lot of QBs could’ve executed in that offense they had last year. He threw a lot of jump balls and Chaney made sure he didn’t have the ball in his hands long. He did his job i’ll say that but he’s not this special guy like that right now. He may be that QB this year coming up but he’s not a guy that can carry an offense week in and week out.