‘Power T’ flag outside the federal courthouse.

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madbamahater said:
As much as I love big orange flags, this probably wasn't the best idea honestly. I am certain it is a show of solidarity and not any attempt at intimidation (because this would be the weakest and most unintimidating tactic ever).

It is slightly, slightly maybe viewed as poor taste and unnecessary. May even be wise to take it down.

The more appropriate time to display the flag is after the judges ruling. Either as a celebratory win, or show of support if goes the other way.....
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That flag didn’t mean a hill of beans to the judge either way. And this is somebody who said we don’t need to surround the courthouse like it’s gameday. The courts I am sure know how fans of college football teams are in general, one flag being across the street is not even remotely impact the judges decision no matter which way this goes. People are way overhyping this Tennessee flag thing but that is what people do. Like a umpire calling a game he doesn’t let a fan hollering make a difference in his call. And a judge takes a much higher oath to not let things like a flag enter into his decision. Quite frankly it’s plain nonsense. GBO
 
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The article from Outkick said there was only a couple of people with TN caps in the courtroom and very few people outside. Said they had 26 policemen outside the courthouse. 😂 Much ado about nothing.
 
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Volbrando said:
thats cool... but I wish as a fan base we wouldn't make too much of a scene here (at the courthouse)
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I live in Greeneville, but didn't go to the courthouse. I wasn't sure if it was going to be a closed door hearing, so I stayed at home.
 
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madbamahater said:
Explain. If you are in violation of home of association bylaws, the home owners association can enforce rules.

If any member of any organization's bylaws are in violation of the rules, isn't there a penalty?
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No organization can pass laws. Only governmental bodies can. No organization can enforce rules that violate laws passed by said bodies.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
No organization can pass laws. Only governmental bodies can. No organization can enforce rules that violate laws passed by said bodies.
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No one said they can pass laws, as in laws of the land. Organizations have bylaws. Churches have bylaws, HOAs have bylaws, little league sports associations have bylaws. Tennessee voluntary joined the NCAA and the NCAA has rules to follow in order to participate in their league (organization, association, etc).

The NFL has rules (bylaws). They are governed by a commissioner and committee. They enforce their rules or laws all the time and they levy penalties against rule breakers, like coaches, players, owners, etc.

I am not suggesting UT broke any of their rules, I don't believe you can break any rules when there isn't a rule to be broken.

I guess what is not clear to lots of people (myself included) is that what rule specifically is the NCAA stating UT violated? I guess I am just missing something.

Can someone lay out some fact based information as to the actual accusations against UT by the NCAA?
 
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madbamahater said:
Explain. If you are in violation of home of association bylaws, the home owners association can enforce rules.

If any member of any organization's bylaws are in violation of the rules, isn't there a penalty?
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If the rule is invalid, it’s unenforceable. In this case, if rules (to the extent that there are even “rules” re: NIL) are deemed unlawful under the Sherman Act, they’re unenforceable. That doesn’t mean every NCAA rule is unenforceable or that Tennessee is no longer governed by the NCAA. The scope of this situation is not nearly that broad.
 
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NighthawkVol said:
If the rule is invalid, it’s unenforceable. In this case, if rules (to the extent that there are even “rules” re: NIL) are deemed unlawful under the Sherman Act, they’re unenforceable. That doesn’t mean every NCAA rule is unenforceable or that Tennessee is no longer governed by the NCAA. The scope of this situation is not nearly that broad.
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What is the actual accusation? Still no one has clearly explained. Is the accusation that a staff member or members acted inappropriately with recruits directly? If so, how does this have anything to do with NIL? Someone needs to do a good job of explaining the allegations and their direct connection to the NIL process.

If this is about Tennessee staff involved with recruits in general with rules already on the books and they did something against those rules, how will those not be enforceable if it is outside of the realm of the NIL world.
 
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madbamahater said:
What is the actual accusation? Still no one has clearly explained. Is the accusation that a staff member or members acted inappropriately with recruits directly? If so, how does this have anything to do with NIL? Someone needs to do a good job of explaining the allegations and their direct connection to the NIL process.

If this is about Tennessee staff involved with recruits in general with rules already on the books and they did something against those rules, how will those not be enforceable if it is outside of the realm of the NIL world.
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Notice of allegations has not been received at this time. Plowman and white got a look at what might be some of the allegations. Basically ncaa is classifying spyre sports as a booster and using that to go after them. It’s why you’ve seen Spyre already retain Mars to represent them.
 
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madbamahater said:
What is the actual accusation? Still no one has clearly explained. Is the accusation that a staff member or members acted inappropriately with recruits directly? If so, how does this have anything to do with NIL? Someone needs to do a good job of explaining the allegations and their direct connection to the NIL process.

If this is about Tennessee staff involved with recruits in general with rules already on the books and they did something against those rules, how will those not be enforceable if it is outside of the realm of the NIL world.
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The whole thing stems from spyre giving Nico a ride in booster supplied plane to knox to talk Nil which at the time was not against the rules however the ncaa when they could find no link to the TN coaches or the school that it was coordinated then they changed the rules to classify spyre and certain collectives as boosters which are not allowed to contact or influince recruits then tried to retroactively enforce that rule. The ncaa was still butt hurt they didnt get to punish UT more for the previous Pruitt mess and are trying to get UT with LOIC since they would be a repeat offender.
 
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Sara Clark said:
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bullet20 said:
The whole thing stems from spyre giving Nico a ride in booster supplied plane to knox to talk Nil which at the time was not against the rules however the ncaa when they could find no link to the TN coaches or the school that it was coordinated then they changed the rules to classify spyre and certain collectives as boosters which are not allowed to contact or influince recruits then tried to retroactively enforce that rule. The ncaa was still butt hurt they didnt get to punish UT more for the previous Pruitt mess and are trying to get UT with LOIC since they would be a repeat offender.
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It was a booster plane that was leased to Spyre from what I have read.
The booster owns a plane and leases on a regular basis.
 
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Halph66 said:
It was a booster plane that was leased to Spyre from what I have read.
The booster owns a plane and leases on a regular basis.
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To me it's no different than if Spyre rented a car from Harper to take Nico to the office and Harper happened to be a booster too. I mean, if Spyre paid for Nico's meal at Sam and Andy's and the owner of Sam and Andy's gave UT money, is that an NCAA violation? The whole thing is ridiculous.
 
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DaddyChad said:
Notice of allegations has not been received at this time. Plowman and white got a look at what might be some of the allegations. Basically ncaa is classifying spyre sports as a booster and using that to go after them. It’s why you’ve seen Spyre already retain Mars to represent them.
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Does Spyre contribute to UT athletics and the scholarship fund like a season ticket holder does?
 
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While we haven't seen a notice of allegations against UT, It seems to me that if the NCAA was trying to say Spyre was a booster, then even the contract they had paying NICO starting in high school would be a problem even though it was written under Califonia rules. This whole deal is confusing and even the Lawer for NCAA couldn't differentiate between what was allowed and not allowed in court. If thier own lawyer could't explain it how can Spyre, UT, or the recruit understand it.
 
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Godfatha said:
To me it's no different than if Spyre rented a car from Harper to take Nico to the office and Harper happened to be a booster too. I mean, if Spyre paid for Nico's meal at Sam and Andy's and the owner of Sam and Andy's gave UT money, is that an NCAA violation? The whole thing is ridiculous.
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I was simply correcting the statement in the post. Spyre leased a plane from a UT Booster.
 
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Mccage said:
Why are you fishing?
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No one is fishing, but for the NCAA to catch the big one, they need to deem Yea Alabama, Classic City Collective, On To Victory, Bayou Tradition, Florida Victorious, Garnet Trust, The 15 Club and ALL other collectives as "boosters" for the entire NCAA membership. How can they just say Spyre is a booster, but none of the others? If all collectives are classified as "boosters", then every single NCAA member in every sports are openly breaking the rules and all NCAA members need to be put on probation at the exact same time, effective immediately.
 
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