“Fair Catch” explained

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Orange_Vol1321 said:
This is used to show the team when the ball is going over their head into the endzone. Has nothing to do with a fair catch.
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It is considered a signal telling the players running down the field that no return is happening. The rule is the rule so that we can’t have the old fake fair catch distraction while the ball goes somewhere else. Once he waived his arms, the play was dead at the next touch of the ball or ball crossing the goal line. If he caught it, the ball goes to the 25, if anyone else touches it, it’s dead where it’s touched.

It’s one of those rules they made for “safety” like the illegal crack back block, blocking below the waist, etc…
 
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Brawlvol said:
The "signal" is the issue, valid or not the refs called it a valid fair catch signal, yet I'm not sure if Dee is the culprit for the "signal"?
Also was a whistle blown, immediately after the signal?
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Of course not. The play isn't dead until the ball is caught.
 
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#59
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One of the front men actually waived his arm above his head, that’s who Coach thinks they called the illegal signal on him, not on Dee.

Why he did that, I haven’t a clue. I assumed it was on Dee
 
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That was ANOTHER inexcusable call. What else could expect considering where and against who...........
 
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amaralfan1 said:
But there was no penalty for Invalid Fair Catch.
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Not true…the penalty is you take possession where the receiver caught the ball instead of where he ran the ball to, which should have been the call because neither receiver signaled for a fair catch or anything close. If they or he had properly signaled for a fair catch the ball would have bounced into the end zone and spotted at the 25 yard line. This call cost us a possession and probable score as did the no call on the PI on our receiver moving the ball way down the field. There were several missed holding calls that would have taken score(s) or first downs from Bama. Denying the impact of the penalties is like denying playing with key injuries out or home field advantage.
 
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wmcovol said:
That crew was looking for tacky $h!t to call on Tennessee… that call, the delay of game on the defense, the “holding” on Jeudy-Lolly.

I don’t believe for a second the refs are told to favor Alabama but they are completely intimidated by Saban and his influence in the SEC. The SEC commissioner desperately wants at least 1 team in the CFP. Vols were just “collateral damage” on the road to get a 1 loss Alabama to Atlanta vs an unbeaten Georgia.
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They aren't explicitly told to favor one side, but there are several former NBA officials who have said the NBA will tell the officials to "focus" on certain things in game tape before the game, that then makes the officials more likely to call things against one side and not the other.

I've not heard this for the SEC, but it wouldn't shock me. Give them footage of a bunch of UT holds, but not give them footage of anything Bama did. Stuff like that --- then the officials are looking for Tennessee holds, but not looking for Bama's.

That said, the 'fair catch' call is the most sus call I've ever seen in a game. Difficult to explain that one away. Who TF is focusing on a guy slightly moving his arms 30 yards away from the ball? And it didn't even meet the standard for a 'fair catch'; his arms weren't anywhere close to being over his head.
 
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One of the worst calls ever. So according to the officials...
1) Someone other that the guy catching the ball made a signal for a fair catch. First, I don't think that is even possible. I've never seen a coach, player, anybody come up to someone catching the ball and wave a fair catch. It has to be the one catching the ball.

2) This "other person" waived his hand "above his head" to fair catch the ball on the other side of the field. Replay didn't show it. Nobody gave the signal.

We got jobbed. Everyone saw. Stop the denial. It was what it was.
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
I'm not a 'conspiracy theorist' type, but the officiating was so unbalanced, it's difficult to explain it without the refs being told to favor Bama in some way. And it's not the craziest thing --- we saw the same thing in the NBA back in the 90s / 00s . 1 ref was actually sent to prison (Tim Donaghy) for his role in fixing games for gambling reasons and he later admitted that the NBA fixed the Lakers-Kings series in 2002.

The clapping and 'fair catch' penalties, both fall into the "things we've literally never seen called and a ref would have to be going out of their way to even try to call". And the "fair catch" one wasn't even legit. While I wasn't aware of the rule on that, it's still irrelevant because his arms weren't even remotely 'above his head'. By the standard they used to make that call, you could literally call that on every single kickoff / punt return because some player 40 yards away from the ball moved his arms.

I know Heupel has to be infuriated and I'm not sure what he can do. But someone needs to be raising hell with the SEC right now, because this is getting ridiculous.

We made plenty of bad plays yesterday (and against Florida) that lost us the game, but there's no way to look at the officiating and not think something was off.
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I don't think the SEC gaf for the most part. At the end of the season they want to have a couple of teams eligible for the playoffs. Too much money and prestige to let an underdog or cinderella story mess that up cause an underdog or cinderella story isn't going to win a NC. They'll just mess up someone like UGA or Bama's chance to win one for the SEC.
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
They aren't explicitly told to favor one side, but there are several former NBA officials who have said the NBA will tell the officials to "focus" on certain things in game tape before the game, that then makes the officials more likely to call things against one side and not the other.

I've not heard this for the SEC, but it wouldn't shock me. Give them footage of a bunch of UT holds, but not give them footage of anything Bama did. Stuff like that --- then the officials are looking for Tennessee holds, but not looking for Bama's.

That said, the 'fair catch' call is the most sus call I've ever seen in a game. Difficult to explain that one away. Who TF is focusing on a guy slightly moving his arms 30 yards away from the ball? And it didn't even meet the standard for a 'fair catch'; his arms weren't anywhere close to being over his head.
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No. It was what we all saw. The fix was in. You keep giving them cover and it will never change.
 
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Velo Vol said:
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The guy running with his left arm waving is bull$hit. Who runs like that? If you’re trying to deceive the defense, they will call if a fair catch signal. Looks like that’s what they did.

The call in Tenn game was correct in that Williams did wave his arms in a motion recognized as a fair catch on kickoffs. The ball should have been on the 25.

Both returners should understand when they go out, no return. That’s on the special teams guy.
 
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UT_Tix79 said:
One of the front men actually waived his arm above his head, that’s who Coach thinks they called the illegal signal on him, not on Dee.

Why he did that, I haven’t a clue. I assumed it was on Dee
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I thought one of the up backs must have done that, because Dee didn't, but I never saw any replay on that to see if it happened or not.
 
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GulfCoasterVol said:
It was not any kind of a fair catch signal. It the future I guess the should lay down flat of the ground and remain motionless as to not make any sudden moves of any kind.
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
This is used to show the team when the ball is going over their head into the endzone. Has nothing to do with a fair catch.
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So why would he make that gesture? There has to be some reason right? It's to... (and the answer is not to say it's going over his head) Because if that is the case, the ball wasn't going over his head on that kick off..
 
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Vol8188 said:
Still don’t understand why that wouldn’t put the ball on the 25
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And also who is looking at front line guys for a fair catch signal? Can ANYONE raising their hand above their head during a kickoff indicate a fair catch cause that seems absurd...
 
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Probably_in_Class said:
And also who is looking at front line guys for a fair catch signal? Can ANYONE raising their hand above their head during a kickoff indicate a fair catch cause that seems absurd...
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It's also absurd that the spot after a fair catch on a kickoff is apparently different depending on who signals fair catch. If Seldon had signaled fair catch or just not fielded the kick, the ball would've been spotted at the 25. Why in the world would someone else signal fair catch to kill the play at the 4?
 
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Coach said the fair catch was signaled by this guy on the front line…
 

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