“Fair Catch” explained

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AdoptedVOL said:
Well, I don't think officiating had an outcome. Bama took over the lines on both sides of the ball the entire 2nd half. That's why we lost.

I'm not suggesting there aren't bad calls in football, it's just not why we lost.

Everyone has an opinion and why we come here to discuss.
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Why did their Oline take over the LOS? The 60 yard bomb isn’t a reason why we lost? The defender would’ve got there if not for being held by the neck by the olineman.

We generally do plenty to dig our own grave but this game was absolute BS from top to bottom on the calls and non calls.
 
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So, if I am to assume that the call was correct and the play was blown dead at the 4 when Seldon caught the ball, then why was it OK that 3 Bama players hit and tackled him between the 20 and 23?
 
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amaralfan1 said:
But there was no penalty for Invalid Fair Catch.
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Only penalty in play would be a delay of game since the runner went more than two steps after they ruled 3 signaled. Nobody can advance a kick once that is ruled, made up or not.

MANY invalid signal calls can be made. The rule used to and may still define a valid signal as one where a receiver raises his hand clearly above his head and waves his arm back AND forth MORE THAN ONCE.

May have changed.
 
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JCHateSteve said:
I could almost see the call if Dee made that motion. But he didn't. The other returner was probably signaling that the ball wasn't coming to him. Whatever it was, it obviously wasn't a fair catch call and I've never seen a fair catch called like that.

The clapping call is something else I've never seen. I've never seen that penalty called that way. It happened during a string of calls that seemed intent on keeping Bama in the game.

The ghost review, after an obvious first down by Milton, that even CBS's biased announcers couldn't ignore, was another example. It sure looked like the officials were trying create an opportunity for Bama to substitute.

All these are perfect examples of SEC refs working at changing momentum in games IMO.

I don't know why Tennessee is thier punching bag this year. But I've never seen it this bad.
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We beat Bama last year and they were kept out of the playoffs. For that, we've gotten hosed this year. It seems that every game has been bad.
 
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hog88 said:
I guess nobody on the return team can raise a hand to block the sunlight from their eyes.
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They can just not against Bama or Georgia.

Honestly this call didn’t matter. If they hadn’t screwed us there they would’ve screwed us somewhere else.
 
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GetYouSomeofThat said:
I dont think we are their punching bag.

I do think the CFP means too much money to not insure the teams with the easiest path there to get the calls.
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Yes, this was more about keeping Bama on track than anything else.

I think we will need a miracle against UGA not because I don't think we can beat them, but because we will see the same thing in that game.
 
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Heupel said that it was someone on the front line who signaled for the fair catch and not Dee Williams. Has anyone found that on the tape? That makes no sense to me about why they would call that.
 
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Don't the officials mark the spot of the fair catch with their beanbag? Anyone see an official mark the spot? Anyone think that if after the catch he would have just stood there AL would have been penalized for hitting him?
 
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hog88 said:
Don't the officials mark the spot of the fair catch with their beanbag? Anyone see an official mark the spot? Anyone think that if after the catch he would have just stood there AL would have been penalized for hitting him?
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apparently it was a 15 yard penalty from the spot of the fair catch so it happened at the 19 yard line. I really want to see the tape.
 
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here is the replay. It was the head ref standing in the endzone who blew the whistle. Again, clearly not a fair catch signal from Dee Williams. Not seeing anyone else throw their hand up. This was such a screwjob yall.

 
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Ok now look at 1:21:25. They had initially spotted the ball at the 25 20 and you can *SEE* the line judge getting a call down from the booth as he walks the ball back to the four. No penalty flag thrown. They signaled first down at the 20 and then moved the ball back to the 4 yardline.

So what that tells us is that the crew was confused about where to spot the ball, the ruling on the field initially was to spot it at the 20 and then they walked it back after getting a call down fro the booth and then they did a video review "confirming the ruling on the field" which was to place the ball at the 4 yardline. That is sketcky as hell yall.
 
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barney said:
apparently it was a 15 yard penalty from the spot of the fair catch so it happened at the 19 yard line. I really want to see the tape.
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It's not a penalty that is marked off by yardage. Because someone other than the signaler touched the ball first, by rule the ball was spotted where it was first touched. I'm not sure what he was trying to do, and I'm sure it wasn't a fair catch signal, but the second guy from the right on UT's front line did raise his hand over his head right after the ball was kicked.
 
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barney said:
Ok now look at 1:21:25. They had initially spotted the ball at the 25 and you can *SEE* the line judge getting a call down from the booth as he walks the ball back to the four. No penalty flag thrown. They signaled first down at the 20 and then moved the ball back to the 4 yardline.

So what that tells us is that the crew was confused about where to spot the ball, the ruling on the field initially was to spot it at the 20 and then they walked it back after getting a call down fro the booth and then they did a video review "confirming the ruling on the field" which was to place the ball at the 4 yardline. That is sketcky as hell yall.
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So that was a booth review and it wasn't called on the field?
 
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bamawriter said:
It's not a penalty that is marked off by yardage. Because someone other than the signaler touched the ball first, by rule the ball was spotted where it was first touched. I'm not sure what he was trying to do, and I'm sure it wasn't a fair catch signal, but the second guy from the right on UT's front line did raise his hand over his head right after the ball was kicked.
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Who called it? Was it called from replay?
 
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the refs spotted the ball at the 20, you can see the line judge get a call down from the booth at 1:21:25 and walks it back to the 4 and then it went up to video review.
 
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bamawriter said:
Not sure which ref called it, but it was definitely called on the field. The ball was spotted at the 4 before it went to replay.
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It wasn't called on the field, the ball was spotted at the 20 and both teams were at the line ready for it to be put in play before it was moved back.
 
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barney said:
Ok now look at 1:21:25. They had initially spotted the ball at the 25 20 and you can *SEE* the line judge getting a call down from the booth as he walks the ball back to the four. No penalty flag thrown. They signaled first down at the 20 and then moved the ball back to the 4 yardline.

So what that tells us is that the crew was confused about where to spot the ball, the ruling on the field initially was to spot it at the 20 and then they walked it back after getting a call down fro the booth and then they did a video review "confirming the ruling on the field" which was to place the ball at the 4 yardline. That is sketcky as hell yall.
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All of the officials have comms now. It was the white hat talking to him to tell him where to spot it. After watching the replay, it does appear that the first guy offset from the front line does waive his hand. I have no idea why he would do that, but that is a signal. For all of the crap they didn't see Bama doing, it is an absolute miracle that they saw that crap.
 
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volinSmyrna said:
All of the officials have comms now. It was the white hat talking to him to tell him where to spot it. After watching the replay, it does appear that the first guy offset from the front line does waive his hand. I have no idea why he would do that, but that is a signal. For all of the crap they didn't see Bama doing, it is an absolute miracle that they saw that crap.
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No way the white hat saw that guy signal.
 
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barney said:
the refs spotted the ball at the 20, you can see the line judge get a call down from the booth at 1:21:25 and walks it back to the 4 and then it went up to video review.
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I think you mean the center judge. But either way, unless they've changed it recently, only the head ref is wired to the booth. That's why the head ref is always relaying notes to the umpire during a review: the umpire can't hear the replay official. The other refs are wired to each other, so it's definitely possible that another official was telling the center judge that he saw the fair catch.
 
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