'09 TN DL Daniel Hood (merged)

#401
#401
ridethelightening said:
Really? So you were put in a position like this at the age of 13 and you reacted exactly like you wanted to? I don't believe a person knows exactly what they would do until they have actually been in the fire and forced to make a decision.
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no o my gaaa!!!!!!! but i can tell you for a fact.... a definitive fact... that if it did happen i know exactly how i would have reacted
 
#402
#402
tnvolsfan85 said:
I am sorry but you can't tell me he didn't know the difference between right and wrong. He covered her up with a blanket when the other girl knocked on the door?!
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Courage and knowing right and wrong are 2 different things. It's an extremely tough situation. One that I have seen first hand. I think people are quick to write the offenders off without truly knowing the person. That said, I can't say I wouldn't end up in jail if something like that happened to my nieces, let alone if I had a daughter.

Like I said, I pray to God everyday that he would forgive me for things I simply thought about at that age.
 
#404
#404
ridethelightening said:
Courage and knowing right and wrong are 2 different things. It's an extremely tough situation. One that I have seen first hand. I think people are quick to write the offenders off without truly knowing the person. That said, I can't say I wouldn't end up in jail if something like that happened to my nieces, let alone if I had a daughter.

Like I said, I pray to God everyday that he would forgive me for things I simply thought about at that age.
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really? i'm sorry even if i knew the guy was going to beat the life out of me for trying to stop it i would have stepped in to stop it..... that doesnt take courage... in fact its knowing wat action is right
 
#405
#405
ridethelightening said:
Courage and knowing right and wrong are 2 different things. It's an extremely tough situation. One that I have seen first hand. I think people are quick to write the offenders off without truly knowing the person. That said, I can't say I wouldn't end up in jail if something like that happened to my nieces, let alone if I had a daughter.

Like I said, I pray to God everyday that he would forgive me for things I simply thought about at that age.
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Actually I know someone that is an offender.

Wait a minute though...has anyone stopped to consider his parents?
 
#406
#406
hm. interesting debate. kid made a poor decsion, peer pressure or not. there are consequences for your actions, and the fact that this debate is even taking place is testament to that.

i can see the reasoning behind wanting to give 2nd chances etc....but if i'm being honest here, this is not someone that i want representing my university.

you make decisions in your life, and some of them stick with your forever. for the vast majority of people that ever hear of this kid, whether he plays for us or anyone else, he's going to be recognized as that "kid that (fill in the blank with all the gory details here)".
 
#407
#407
Gentleman Jack said:
is there any way to substantiate the rumor that he is signing. Before we all go crazy debating the right/wrong of the issue, do we even know if it is legit? I have seen more "rumors" on the Internet about Lane Kiffin than about who shot JFK!?!
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Who knows? This could very well be a "leak" to guage the public reaction. I doubt it with this staff. I would also doubt that this staff would want the headache, especially for a marginal recruit.
 
#409
#409
i think the majority of us agree we don't want him in orange, i've stated my view and won't argue anymore see you guys in another thread another day :peace2:
 
#410
#410
mitzustu said:
really? i'm sorry even if i knew the guy was going to beat the life out of me for trying to stop it i would have stepped in to stop it..... that doesnt take courage... in fact its knowing wat action is right
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Dude, you do know that what is spelled with an h, right?

You also have read that I said I wished UT would distance itself from this situation, too, right?

I don't need your hate spewed at me because I might have compassion on a human being.
 
#412
#412
We have a strict rule which forbids our players from wearing a baseball cap at the training facility, but then welcome a young man who was complicit in the brutal raping of a girl? Does anyone else find this puzzling?

There's a notable disparity in the mixed messages that this sends to our team, our university, its fans, and to some extent, society itself. Most notably, think of the message that this sends to those hundreds of thousands of female Vol fans.

I certainly am not qualified to speak on behalf of women, but I find it hard to imagine that it wouldn't be difficult, or likely impossible, to support either a team or a university who allowed this to happen.

I understand that the kid was only 13, and while everyone should have an opportunity at redemption, he has no reasonable right to expect that everyone will "forgive and forget" either as quickly or completely as he (or others speaking on his behalf) would like.

Simply, the stigma which is now attached to him resulted from his decision to stand by while a woman was being brutally raped, and does not result from my believing that it has been deservedly placed upon him.

Personally, I would not support his representing the University of Tennessee in any way, for any reason, in any measure.
 
#413
#413
ridethelightening said:
Dude, you do know that what is spelled with an h, right?

You also have read that I said I wished UT would distance itself from this situation, too, right?

I don't need your hate spewed at me because I might have compassion on a human being.
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wat about the girl it happened to man... wat about her parents... wat about every1 who was effected by his actions....

dang i used wat 3 times
 
#414
#414
It sickens me to think they would give this kid a scholarship.

I sure hope it doesn't happen, because it will be hard for me to support this staff and football program anymore.
 
#415
#415
head1 said:
Never had any legal problems not even a speeding ticket, and I have enforced the law for over 10 years. I have seen enough faces of victims of things like this that I will not just forgive someone that easily. You can sit behind your desks and talk about forgiveness but when you have seen this over and over first hand and what it does to people it wouldnt be so easy.

You can keep preaching forgiveness in here all you want, I am a Christian, probably spend more time in church than most of you going off on the Jesus tangent. God can forgive him but right now I don't feel like this kid needs to be a part of this University, period.

My letter is already in to Mike Hamilton and I am sure there will be plenty more. I am done with this its a losing battle some of you are just too high and mighty in your perfect worlds to see the problem this is.
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Sounds like you're the one on his high horse. Perhaps you should take that fat finger of yours and point it right back at yourself. "spend more time in church"...you sound like a horrible christian to me. Maybe you should read your Bible a little more closely. Going to church doesn't make you a good christian. Forgiveness is the main lesson that Jesus taught and you've failed to grasp the concept. It blows my mind how hypocritical your words are.
 
#416
#416
Forgive him as a human being and playing for the University.

Several members falling into both categories. Ah! The quandry of human life!
Who was it that said,"To err is human, to give is devine!"
 
#417
#417
govols87 said:
Sounds like you're the one on his high horse. Perhaps you should take that fat finger of yours and point it right back at yourself. "spend more time in church"...you sound like a horrible christian to me. Maybe you should read your Bible a little more closely. Going to church doesn't make you a good christian. Forgiveness is the main lesson that Jesus taught and you've failed to grasp the concept. It blows my mind how hypocritical your words are.
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^THIS!

good post gv87
 
#420
#420
The incident is certainly disturbing. However, I don't think this is something that should stigmatize him for the rest of his life.
1. He was only 13
2. From the record, it sounds as if the older kid was really the perpetrator and that this kid was just going along with it.

Should he have gone along with it? Certainly not. And if he had been 16 or 17 at the time, I would say he is a perv and we need to stay away from him. But he was just 13 and it seems like he was just following the other kid's lead.
 
#421
#421
Win at all costs, I say, and hide behind my Christianity while doing so.

Forgiveness and giving him an opportunity to represent and potentially bring shame on our university are two different things.
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#422
#422
kidbourbon said:
The incident is certainly disturbing. However, I don't think this is something that should stigmatize him for the rest of his life.
1. He was only 13
2. From the record, it sounds as if the older kid was really the perpetrator and that this kid was just going along with it.

Should he have gone along with it? Certainly not. And if he had been 16 or 17 at the time, I would say he is a perv and we need to stay away from him. But he was just 13 and it seems like he was just following the other kid's lead.
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i'm going to be everyone's mom and dad now by stating the following:

if the other kids jumped off a bridge, does that mean you should do it too?

at 13 you know right from wrong. say no. go get help. get your babysitter out of the shower. hit the 17 year old with a baseball bat.

but you don't participate in something like that, and not have it stick with you. is it wrong on some level the kid will have this stigma with him for probalby his whole life, in some way shape or form? yeah, probably. but we all know that's the way of it.

there are certian people you equate with their acts, good and bad.
Mother Theresa
Ghandi
John Wilks Booth
Richard Nixon
Mike Vick


extreme examples, i'm aware, and i don't expect this kid to be so well known he'd be on a list like this, but the point really is, we don 't know any of these people personally, but they all have a stigma attached to them that we identify with. i'm sure there was someone in Mother Theresa's past that didn't like her for some reason, just like i'm sure there was someone in John Wilkes Booth's life that loved him to death.

for this kid, and the circles he's going to be associated with going forward that will involve any public identity, ie COllege football player, this is something that will have to be dealt with.
 
#423
#423
SmokeyTop said:
The age of 13 in my opinion is definitely old enough to know the difference b/t right and wrong. If they decide to give him another chance, I would hope it would not be on a scholarship.
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I agree that it is old enough to know the difference b/w right and wrong. But it might not be old enough to stand up to a 16 or 17 year old and say it out loud. If that makes sense at all.
 
#424
#424
kidbourbon said:
I agree that it is old enough to know the difference b/w right and wrong. But it might not be old enough to stand up to a 16 or 17 year old and say it out loud. If that makes sense at all.
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may be true, but i didn't get the impression from anything that i read that he was being "forced" to do anyting by the older kid as a result of his reluctance or resistance to participating. if so, i would think that would have been brought up in his defense at some point...and it may have, i'm that in tune with this incident, but jsut from what i've read, i don't get that this was the case.
 
#425
#425
I am sorry but you know that the NCAA will be on us for the next four years now even more than they would have been...I can not see anything good come of this but what do I know:hi:
 
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