'10 CA QB Tyler Bray (Commit/On Campus)

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The staff's push to get him in here as early as possible and to get these extra 5 or 6 practices are for a clear reason. I don't think they would've pushed to get him in here if they knew they were going to redshirt him.

I doubt even the staff has a good idea who will come out of spring practice with the lead. Seems to me that CLK wants to give Bray every conceivable chance to impress and come away with the job. He has the most talent of the bunch and I think he's hoping Bray is up to the challenge...after all, it's his very first HS prodigy.
 
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TENNaciousUTfan said:
The staff's push to get him in here as early as possible and to get these extra 5 or 6 practices are for a clear reason. I don't think they would've pushed to get him in here if they knew they were going to redshirt him.

I doubt even the staff has a good idea who will come out of spring practice with the lead. Seems to me that CLK wants to give Bray every conceivable chance to impress and come away with the job. He has the most talent of the bunch and I think he's hoping Bray is up to the challenge...after all, it's his very first HS prodigy.
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good post. makes the most sense.
 
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TENNaciousUTfan said:
The staff's push to get him in here as early as possible and to get these extra 5 or 6 practices are for a clear reason. I don't think they would've pushed to get him in here if they knew they were going to redshirt him.

I doubt even the staff has a good idea who will come out of spring practice with the lead. Seems to me that CLK wants to give Bray every conceivable chance to impress and come away with the job. He has the most talent of the bunch and I think he's hoping Bray is up to the challenge...after all, it's his very first HS prodigy.
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IF, Bray is the best we have the staff will go with Bray BUT they absolutely do NOT want to go into next season with a true freshman at quarterback. Would make thier job 100 times harder.

They want him learning as much as he can as fast as he can so MAYBE he can be ready to help in 2011 if needed.

The thinking from the staff back in the summer was that there was likely only one high school quarterback capable of leading an SEC team before 2012 and we did not get that one. Have they changed their minds after another high school season? I have not heard. The way they pursued Junior College quarterbacks this fall I tend to think they still feel that way.

Certainly thinking that and what transpires after kids get to campus can change. Lot of things cannot be assessed until kids arrive on campus (work ethic, capability to learn quickly, retention, leadership qualities, comprehension, etc. etc.)

We will all see what happens but I will be very surprised if Bray does anything but redshirt..
 
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TENNaciousUTfan said:
The staff's push to get him in here as early as possible and to get these extra 5 or 6 practices are for a clear reason. I don't think they would've pushed to get him in here if they knew they were going to redshirt him.

I doubt even the staff has a good idea who will come out of spring practice with the lead. Seems to me that CLK wants to give Bray every conceivable chance to impress and come away with the job. He has the most talent of the bunch and I think he's hoping Bray is up to the challenge...after all, it's his very first HS prodigy.
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I agree. Kiffin is going to want to get "his guy" on the field asap. It's impossible to tell how fast a qb is going to pick up the system and the game at this level, hence the jucos. However, no coach wants to spend the time and energy to get a juco game ready to get maybe a year and a half out of him, unless it's a last resort. I think it's EXTREMELY unlikely that Bray will redshirt.
 
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LWSVOL said:
IF, Bray is the best we have the staff will go with Bray BUT they absolutely do NOT want to go into next season with a true freshman at quarterback. Would make thier job 100 times harder.

They want him learning as much as he can as fast as he can so MAYBE he can be ready to help in 2011 if needed.

The thinking from the staff back in the summer was that there was likely only one high school quarterback capable of leading an SEC team before 2012 and we did not get that one. Have they changed their minds after another high school season? I have not heard. The way they pursued Junior College quarterbacks this fall I tend to think they still feel that way.

Certainly thinking that and what transpires after kids get to campus can change. Lot of things cannot be assessed until kids arrive on campus (work ethic, capability to learn quickly, retention, leadership qualities, comprehension, etc. etc.)

We will all see what happens but I will be very surprised if Bray does anything but redshirt..
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Larry, under normal circumstances, I'd have to agree with you...but this isn't one of those times. Even though Crompton struggled terribly the first 4 games, CLK never even gave Stephens a whiff. When he got some playing time against Memphis, I believe it was, he screwed up the first drive (can't remember if it was a pick or just an errant throw) and the look CLK gave him when he came off the field wasn't the normal scolding type. It was the "Why do I even bother with this kid?"...variety.

I don't know what goes on behind the scenes, and I don't want to see any Vol struggle, but if Bray is listening to what his coaches are telling him and Stephens keeps making the same mistakes, who do you honestly think is going to win that contest?

Our situation may not be entirely different than what USC was faced with this year, at QB. Everyone thought Corp would get the start because of him being in the system longer. Bray will have the same amount of time to get acclimated as did Barkley. It's rare, but I think there is at least a 50% chance Bray is the starter by the end of fall camp next season.

We just don't know, but we also have to keep in mind that we are in a rebuilding process and the staff may be more willing to take their chances with a freshman who is impressing them. I wouldn't be surprised if Peyton doesn't spend a little time with Bray this summer...as the kid idolizes him.
 
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I think it will come down to a battle between Bray and Lamaison (sp). Nick will be holding a clipboard again this year and I believe that Simms was brought in for security.
 
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Dawson said:
I think it will come down to a battle between Bray and Lamaison (sp). Nick will be holding a clipboard again this year and I believe that Simms was brought in for security.
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Are you kidding me?! Laimaison! Hahaha. I'm sorry. He will be holding the clipboard this year.
 
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I think way too many posters among VN are dismissing Simms out of hand way too quickly. A true freshman QB has little chance of succeeding at an elite level week in - week out in the SEC. Don't kid yourselves. Simms was brought in to do more than provide depth, or security, or carry a clip board. I know the name Simms doesn't sit well with many in Knoxville, but get past that - our coaching staff definitely has. Ignorant grudges don't help build a championship team - evaluating, recruiting, and developing talent does. I personally believe you will see Simms competing for the starting job from early on in spring ball (assuming he applies himself to game film & book study). I agree that Bray, if at all possible, will redshirt. Then given the rest of the other QB's we have on the roster - looking at it objectively...can any of you REALLY say Simms might not be the opening day starter?? Just a bit of reality
 
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VolAlumNGatrland said:
I think way too many posters among VN are dismissing Simms out of hand way too quickly. A true freshman QB has little chance of succeeding at an elite level week in - week out in the SEC. Don't kid yourselves. Simms was brought in to do more than provide depth, or security, or carry a clip board. I know the name Simms doesn't sit well with many in Knoxville, but get past that - our coaching staff definitely has. Ignorant grudges don't help build a championship team - evaluating, recruiting, and developing talent does. I personally believe you will see Simms competing for the starting job from early on in spring ball (assuming he applies himself to game film & book study). I agree that Bray, if at all possible, will redshirt. Then given the rest of the other QB's we have on the roster - looking at it objectively...can any of you REALLY say Simms might not be the opening day starter?? Just a bit of reality
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This, I don't think Kiffin would have brought in another JUCO QB just for a warm body. I think we'll see Simms beat out Stephens but that's my opinion.
 
#2,815
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Here is the QB battle. Stephens, Simms, and Bray. If Stephens or Simms wins the job from the coaches, and prove they can hold down the position, Bray will redshirt.

The staff wants somebody to win the job. They want the competition to make whoever wins the job, better. If Bray is an equal to Simms, or Stephens, he will win the job. IMO
 
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So Juco Simms is better than Lamaison? Everyone knows this because................? Lamaison has been in the system and learning. He was also one of the best Juco QBs last year. Nick has little chance of being the starter.
 
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Dawson said:
So Juco Simms is better than Lamaison? Everyone knows this because................? Lamaison has been in the system and learning. He was also one of the best Juco QBs last year. Nick has little chance of being the starter.
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I think few, if any, on this board know the answer to that. However, that is kind of my point. You have Stephens, who I agree has little chance to start... Lamaison, as you point out, one of the top JUCO QBs already in the system...add Simms, another JUCO with experience and talent....So why do people think Bray will beat all these guys out as a true freshman?

What they are all overlooking is Bray has been said to be the QB with the most upside in this class. That means - with a year or so of development he might turn out to be elite. He in all likelihood NEEDS to redshirt and the coaching staff recognizes this. IMO it would take something stellar on Brays part or a string of freak injuries for him to see the field as a freshman
 
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Volquest (Rivals) has Bray a 5.45 in the 40. Is he really that slow? That is slower tnan all the offensive linemen listed and over 1 second slower than all the defensive linemen listed. Crompton is no speed demon and was rated at 4.9 coming out of HS, or .6 quicker than Bray. Can this be a misprint in his 40?
 
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SC-Vol said:
Volquest (Rivals) has Bray a 5.45 in the 40. Is he really that slow? That is slower tnan all the offensive linemen listed and over 1 second slower than all the defensive linemen listed. Crompton is no speed demon and was rated at 4.9 coming out of HS, or .6 quicker than Bray. Can this be a misprint in his 40?
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so whats more important for a QB? accuracy and arm strength, or 40 time?
 
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SC-Vol said:
Volquest (Rivals) has Bray a 5.45 in the 40. Is he really that slow? That is slower tnan all the offensive linemen listed and over 1 second slower than all the defensive linemen listed. Crompton is no speed demon and was rated at 4.9 coming out of HS, or .6 quicker than Bray. Can this be a misprint in his 40?
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Really? You se a loft defensive linemen with sub 4.45 40 times? Damn, I must not be looking at the same guys you are.
 
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RockyTop411 said:
Are you kidding me?! Laimaison! Hahaha. I'm sorry. He will be holding the clipboard this year.
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Seriously...he had no time to get acclimated to the system when he came in. If he can play here the way he played at Mt. SAC, then he will have a damn good shot, despite what many here think. He had better stats than Simms or Newton.

We'll just have to see.
 
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