'10 CA QB Tyler Bray (Commit/On Campus)

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spudvol said:
Pay close attention to the following statement, for 28th time, we are comparing SDSU's QB coach to our QB coach, not our staff compared to SDSU's QB coach. Why is this so difficult for you to follow?
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it's difficult to follow, because you've edited multiple posts and you've tailored your argument multiple times to the point that the thesis of your argument has streamlined from UT's staff/experience vs SDSU's staff/experience to Brian Sipe versus David Reaves, which is an idiotic topic.
 
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Tennessee Jack said:
it's difficult to follow, because you've edited multiple posts and you've tailored your argument multiple times to the point that the thesis of your argument has streamlined from UT's staff/experience vs SDSU's staff/experience to Brian Sipe versus David Reaves, which is an idiotic topic.
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+100 :hi:
 
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Tennessee Jack said:
it's difficult to follow, because you've edited multiple posts and you've tailored your argument multiple times to the point that the thesis of your argument has streamlined from UT's staff/experience vs SDSU's staff/experience to Brian Sipe versus David Reaves, which is an idiotic topic.
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:good!:
 
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spudvol said:
Pay close attention to the following statement, for 28th time, we are comparing SDSU's QB coach to our QB coach, not our staff compared to SDSU's QB coach. Why is this so difficult for you to follow?
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Because it's a stupid argument. The QB coach has nowhere near the influence on a QB that the OC does.
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he has the height to be a great qb but he is too thin and too slow if we got him he would then have to redshirt ,and then sit as a redshirt freshmen and maby as a sophmore then he would be strong enough to start at qb after waiting 3 years ,i think scroggins will watch usc play and if barkley has a good year that cements him as a starter untill he leavs usc ,and scroggins will change his mind he dont want to sit 3 years to play he will come to tennessee or somewhere besides usc,i also like the qb from thomas aquinus in flordy he looks like a great qb and has a terriffic arm maby palardy the kicker that committed to ut can talk him and a couple others to committ to ut like the number 1 cb he can be a reciever and a cb ,the vols will suprise this year they will win atleast 9
 
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bosgap said:
he has the height to be a great qb but he is too thin and too slow if we got him he would then have to redshirt ,and then sit as a redshirt freshmen and maby as a sophmore then he would be strong enough to start at qb after waiting 3 years ,i think scroggins will watch usc play and if barkley has a good year that cements him as a starter untill he leavs usc ,and scroggins will change his mind he dont want to sit 3 years to play he will come to tennessee or somewhere besides usc,i also like the qb from thomas aquinus in flordy he looks like a great qb and has a terriffic arm maby palardy the kicker that committed to ut can talk him and a couple others to committ to ut like the number 1 cb he can be a reciever and a cb ,the vols will suprise this year they will win atleast 9
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It's not a matter of the Aquinas QB (Baty) not liking us, its a matter of the staff not liking/having enough confidence in Baty to offer him...
 
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Tennessee Jack said:
it's difficult to follow, because you've edited multiple posts and you've tailored your argument multiple times to the point that the thesis of your argument has streamlined from UT's staff/experience vs SDSU's staff/experience to Brian Sipe versus David Reaves, which is an idiotic topic.
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More BS. Every post I have edited has been for spelling, if it had been for content I would have noted it somewhere in the post.

This discussion started over a post someone made about SDSU staff not being comparable to ours. I have stated numerous times that we have the better staff, my only disagreement is that SDSU has a better QB coach than we do, as far as recruiting goes. Kiffin isn't our QB position coach and neither is Chaney. Neither of them have ever been a QB coach.
 
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Billy Antrim said:
I'm REAL tired of hearing this! UCLA already has a 4* QB commit (Brett Nottingham) and so does Cal (Austin Hinder). :snoring:
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exactly...

ShowMeVol said:
LV....is this just a strong opinion....or do you have some good inside info?
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I've seen quite a few very reliable sources say they are hearing Bray will commit to UT shortly after the visit to Knoxville. It sounds like a done deal...

With UT recruiting him as hard as we are and with Ambles in his ear, there really isn't a whole lot to worry about imo...
 
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spudvol said:
Chaney coaches OL and TE, Greg Olson and Blaine Bennett were the QB coaches at Purdue. I'm not saying that no coach on this staff has ever seen a forward pass before, I'm saying having a NFL MVP as your QB coach is a better selling point than not having one.
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Look back at Chaneys resume. He was a QB coach early in his career. Chaney was pretty much primarily responsible for Drew Brees development and setting up the offense for him during his time at Purdue.

Kiffin had a huuuuuge amount of input with all of the QBs while he was at USC and he knows a little about playing the position since he played it in college.

Even our graduate assistant was a QB coach at one point in his career.

Reaves, even though I don't like him at all, had to have learned something about QB coaching from Spurrier.

I'm sorry, but when we have 4 guys with QB coaching experience, that faaaar trumps having one guy who may or may not be a good coach because he played pro
 
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spudvol said:
Kiffin isn't our QB position coach and neither is Chaney. Neither of them have ever been a QB coach.
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Kiffin was a QB in college. He gave up his senior year to help coach the QBs. He was even the passing game coordinator at USC. What do you think the passing coordinator does?

Player Bio: Jim Chaney - TENNESSEE OFFICIAL ATHLETIC SITE

Chaney broke into coaching at Cal State Fullerton in 1985. He served in many areas, including offensive coordinator and recruiting coordinator as well as coaching quarterbacks, receivers, and both lines
 
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spudvol said:
Alright VolDaddy, let me simplify this thing called the recruiting process for you. Every school has to sell its advantages to the recruit. Let's say Bray is down to SDSU and Tenn. Tenn is going to sell the fact that it has the better staff, better facilities, plays in the the better conference. SDSU is going to sell the proximity to home, the Cali lifestyle and that Bray's QB coach at SDSU is better than Tenn's QB coach. A QB coach that has played at a high level in the NFL is a better selling point than a QB coach that only played D IAA ball. If you don't believe this, try reversing the situation- If Tenn had a QB coach with 10 years NFL experience and SDSU had the QB coach that had only played D IAA ball, would you be on here saying that SDSU had the advantage in selling that coach to the recruit? Hell no.

As for Cutcliffe, if Duke were to recruit Bray, Cutcliffe has several great selling points- he's coached two number 1 picks in the draft, two Super Bowl winning QBs, and coached several overall QBs to the NFL. Cutcliffe even though he never played college or pro football has earned his rep as a high quality QB coach, has Reaves done that? Again, hell no.

We have a great overall staff, but our weakest link so to speak is at QB coach. Until Tenn proves it can put QBs into the NFL a lot of teams we recruit against will have an advantage. This is especially true with West Coast QB recruits because of all the quality QB coaches on that coast- Tedford at Cal, Chow at UCLA, Sarkisian at UW, Kelly at Oregon, even Bates at USC is a better sell because he has coached QBs in the NFL for the last four years.
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Sorry Spud, you missed my point entirely.

You said a QB coach had to have played in the NFL, as kids want too know that they know what they are talking about.

You then said we have no one on staff that played the QB position in D-1, and this has a negative impact on recruiting.

So, I asked what about Cutcliffe when he was at UT. Nobody cares about Duke.

Did Manning care that Cutcliffe never played D-1 QB, or in the NFL?

That kind of disproves the point you had been trying to make.

No need to simplify any further.
 
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bubbajohnson said:
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Have you been to both places?

The majority of the things under SDSU could be added to Tennessee. Of course proximity is out. The QB coach thing is a load of crap. If you don't think this coaching is capable of building a QB, you have not been paying attention the last few months. Also a good southern girl is 10 times finer than a great Califonia girl. Plus most Southern Girls ain't plastic or primadonna's.
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Neither are chicks from San Diego. They're slores, and they're hot as hell.
 
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Voldaddy said:
Sorry Spud, you missed my point entirely.

You said a QB coach had to have played in the NFL, as kids want too know that they know what they are talking about.

You then said we have no one on staff that played the QB position in D-1, and this has a negative impact on recruiting.

So, I asked what about Cutcliffe when he was at UT. Nobody cares about Duke.

Did Manning care that Cutcliffe never played D-1 QB, or in the NFL?

That kind of disproves the point you had been trying to make.

No need to simplify any further.
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Apparently there is a need to simplify it further.

1) I didn't say a QB HAD to play in the NFL, I said it is a selling point when recruiting.

2) You didn't ask about Cutcliffe at Tenn, you ask about Cutcliffe.

3) Cutcliffe had already proven he could coach a QB to NFL when we were recruiting PManning, Heath Shuler finished 2nd in the '93 Heisman race and was the 3rd pick in the NFL draft.

Kind of proves the point I've been making all along.
 
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You guys look at this staff and see what you see, I look at it and see what I see. Differences of opinion make the college football world go around. Nothing would make me happier than to wrong about this, I hope we have so many QBs win Heismans that the Downtown Athletic Club decides to move the ceremony to Knoxville just so they don't clutter up Manhatten with a lot of orange. But until they do, I'll just keep arguing. :p
 
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Spud,
Vol coaching staff and recruiting abilities>SDSU coahing staff and recruiting abilities
nuff said, your gona end up wrong and have to eat crow
 
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UTTuck24 said:
Spud,
Vol coaching staff and recruiting abilities>SDSU coahing staff and recruiting abilities
nuff said, your gona end up wrong and have to eat crow
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If you would bother to read my posts you would find I have said the same thing numerous times. So if I have to eat crow so will you.
 
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