'10 CA QB Tyler Bray (Commit/On Campus)

[VolinConcord]

Concord, there are a few guys. Jeremy Cannon (of Concord, NC) would have more offers if not for an ACL injury which sidelined him for all of last season. Then there's 2 guys in California that I read about a couple weeks ago.

Most of these guys sat behind Div. 1 prospects last season and now that those guys have graduated, they are getting a chance to show their stuff.

Thanks TJ. Goes to show you that if the player is not on VN's recruiting board, I have not heard of him.
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[ptclaus98]

You guys can say whatever you want, but I promise you that CLK and Chaney will prepare Bray better for the NFL than whoever is at SDSU. Big Ben and Kurt Warner have nothing to do with anything.

The point is if they have the potential, the potential doesn't go away. You can say they prepare him better, but he'll most likely get taken in the draft wherever he goes, the NFL doesn't really care about what coaching he may or may not have had, as long as they see the potential, they'll exploit it.

 

[spudvol]

So...that doesn't mean that he can coach. I'd take my chances with two guys who have coached the likes of Carson Palmer, Matt Leinart, Matt Cassel, and Drew Brees.

Steve Sarkisian and Greg Olson?

Kiffin and Chaney have never been QB coaches. Except for Eddie Gran being QB and LB coach for UMiami in 1990-91, David Reaves is the only coach on this staff with experience as a QB position coach, and he didn't become the full-time QB coach at SCarolina until 2007, LINK. No one on this staff has played QB at a Div 1A college or in the NFL, no one on this staff has coached a QB to the NFL, and this might be part of the reason we are having so much trouble landing a QB.

As for Tyler Bray, if his choice comes down to Tenn and SDSU, then SDSU has an advantage with a QB coach that played 10 years in the NFL compared to one who played 3 years at Appalachian St. Tenn has more points in its favor overall, but if you think we will automatically get Bray you might be disappointed.

 

[Indianavol4eva]

i concur.

 

[millst987]

hes pretty stoked about the game next week...parents are coming with him as well. I think he will be blown away. all this according to him on TOS.

 

[Tennessee Jack]

Steve Sarkisian and Greg Olson?

Kiffin and Chaney have never been QB coaches. Except for Eddie Gran being QB and LB coach for UMiami in 1990-91, David Reaves is the only coach on this staff with experience as a QB position coach, and he didn't become the full-time QB coach at SCarolina until 2007, LINK. No one on this staff has played QB at a Div 1A college or in the NFL, no one on this staff has coached a QB to the NFL, and this might be part of the reason we are having so much trouble landing a QB.

As for Tyler Bray, if his choice comes down to Tenn and SDSU, then SDSU has an advantage with a QB coach that played 10 years in the NFL compared to one who played 3 years at Appalachian St. Tenn has more points in its favor overall, but if you think we will automatically get Bray you might be disappointed.

Kiffin was a QB at Fresno State. Who cares if Kiffin was never a QBs coach? Being a HC/offensive coordinator trumps being a position coach any day. It carries more responsibility and pays more money.

So while Kiffin was the offensive coordinator for Matt Leinart's senior season and he coached Booty to a 3,000-yd passing season, he doesn't get any credit for preparing them for the NFL?

Who cares if Brian Sipe played QB in the 70s & 80s? Not everyone who plays sports can coach sports.

Isiah Thomas was a hell of a player for the Pistons, but he ran the Knicks into the toilet because he had terrible scouting skills and couldn't develop his talent.

Although you may have a point that SDSU is not a total pushover in this skirmish, all your points are flawed.

 

[VOLinCO]

One key advantage for UT are the WRs committed in the 2010 class. If we land Cobbs, we will have an incredible trio to go along with the other young receivers, Richardson and Teague. Coupled with the stellar backfield with good hands and it is a Pro-style QBs dream.

I don't think Bray will find such a line-up at SDSU.

Also, Bray plans to be an early enrollee. If the previous staff could prepare Ainge and Schaffer to play in 2004, I suspect Kiffin and Co. could prepare Bray for some meaningful snaps next year.

 

[spudvol]

Kiffin was a QB at Fresno State. Who cares if Kiffin was never a QBs coach? Being a HC/offensive coordinator trumps being a position coach any day. It carries more responsibility and pays more money.

So while Kiffin was the offensive coordinator for Matt Leinart's senior season and he coached Booty to a 3,000-yd passing season, he doesn't get any credit for preparing them for the NFL?

Who cares if Brian Sipe played QB in the 70s & 80s? Not everyone who plays sports can coach sports.

Isiah Thomas was a hell of a player for the Pistons, but he ran the Knicks into the toilet because he had terrible scouting skills and couldn't develop his talent.

Although you may have a point that SDSU is not a total pushover in this skirmish, all your points are flawed.

I don't think the word 'flawed' means what you think it means.

Kiffin never started a single game at Fresno, not sure if he ever played. QB recruits don't care about the size of their coaches paychecks, they only want to know if their QB coach can get them to the next level.

Kiffin didn't coach Leinart or Booty, Sarkisian did.

A QB recruit who wants to make it to the NFL would care if their QB coach has played there.

If our coaching staff has a weak point it is at the QB position, and until we actually put someone in the NFL, it is going to be a hard sell to get a top-flight recruit to take a chance on us.

 

[spudvol]

One key advantage for UT are the WRs committed in the 2010 class. If we land Cobbs, we will have an incredible trio to go along with the other young receivers, Richardson and Teague. Coupled with the stellar backfield with good hands and it is a Pro-style QBs dream.

I don't think Bray will find such a line-up at SDSU.

Also, Bray plans to be an early enrollee. If the previous staff could prepare Ainge and Schaffer to play in 2004, I suspect Kiffin and Co. could prepare Bray for some meaningful snaps next year.

I agree, but what Bray will find at SDSU is a QB coach that can do one thing no Tenn coach can do, and that is answer the following question- "What's it like to take a snap in the NFL?"

My breakdown of SDSU vs Tenn battle for Bray-

SDSU advantages- girls, weather, lifestyle, pot, proximity, QB coach.

Tenn advantages- everything else.

 

[Tennessee Jack]

I don't think the work 'flawed' means what you think it means.

Kiffin never started a single game at Fresno, not sure if he ever played. QB recruits don't care about the size of their coaches paychecks, they only want to know if their QB coach can get them to the next level.

Kiffin didn't coach Leinart or Booty, Sarkisian did.

A QB recruit who wants to make it to the NFL would care if their QB coach has played there.

If our coaching staff has a weak point it is at the QB position, and until we actually put someone in the NFL, it is going to be a hard sell to get a top-flight recruit to take a chance on us.

flaw: noun

an imperfection or weakness and especially one that detracts from the whole or hinders effectiveness

"flawed" as in your argument is full of flaws. as in you gave a "flawed" argument, which detracts from its effectiveness.

point 1: you said none of our coaches were D-1 A QBs. Kiffin was a QB at Fresno State for 3yrs.

so I would say making a false statement would be considered a flaw in your case.

you've also put this silly emphasis on titles, as if being a position coach is more attractive on a résumé, than being a coordinator or the head coach of a team. that is completely flawed thinking.

now you're sounding like a troll from a rival fanbase by making an erroneous claim that Sarkisian should get the credit for Booty and Leinart's success when Kiffin was the chief playcaller according to anyone who followed the Southern Cal program during their time as co-coordinators.

so Kiffin's time coaching Booty and Leinart doesn't count in your book, nor does Chaney's time working with Brees and Orton.

4 QBs currently on NFL rosters that were coached by members of our staff at the college level and yet you want to claim this staff has never aided anyone who went on to the NFL.

 

[VOLinCO]

I agree, but what Bray will find at SDSU is a QB coach that can do one thing no Tenn coach can do, and that is answer the following question- "What's it like to take a snap in the NFL?"

My breakdown of SDSU vs Tenn battle for Bray-

SDSU advantages- girls, weather, lifestyle, pot, proximity, QB coach.

Tenn advantages- everything else.

That's fair. If I may respond...

Girls: I lived in So Cal and married a CA girl. The girls in TN are on par, just more in S.D. due to population (but also as many guys).
Weather: Can't argue.
Lifestyle: Really comes down to preference of lifestyle and environment. I enjoyed it there. However, it can be quite a burden on the wallet, especially for a college student.
Pot: Didn't consider this a qualifier, but, a few years back, High Times mag. did rate the pot in E. TN as #1. Go figure.
QB Coach: Again, we don't know how well he can coach. Peyton, his favorite, can always regale him with stories about the NFL today during his TN visits. However, assuming Sipe can, "Coach who am I supposed to throw to?"

 

[bwilli40]

Knoxville has great weed. Due to I-75 all the great stuff going from miami to up north has to come through here. Also Kentucky is america's largest state to export weed. And its in the mountains which are really close to here. I do not partake in any form of illegal drugs, but my old roommate sure did. So I got all the stoned rants from him and crap. I guess also think of population. Knoxville to San diego alot more people in SD means not as much of the good stuff able to go around.

 

[rjd970]

After watching video of this kid, the thing that really sticks out is he can flat out sling it. Watching his game vids shows he has surprising mobility and elusiveness in the pocket. I think the Ainge comparisons are valid, and I also think he may have a stronger arm.

I'm not a talent evaluator by any means, but by judging from his videos he passes the eye test for the potential to be special.

 

[spudvol]

As for the pot argument, google Humboldt County Pot.

 

[bwilli40]

google appalachian kentucky weed farms
history channel did a big thing on it

 

[bubbajohnson]

SDSU advantages- girls, weather, lifestyle, pot, proximity, QB coach.

Tenn advantages- everything else.

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Have you been to both places?

The majority of the things under SDSU could be added to Tennessee. Of course proximity is out. The QB coach thing is a load of crap. If you don't think this coaching is capable of building a QB, you have not been paying attention the last few months. Also a good southern girl is 10 times finer than a great Califonia girl. Plus most Southern Girls ain't plastic or primadonna's.

Our coaching staff can pick up the phone and call several great NFL QB's and they can answer the question of what its like to take a snap in the NFL.

I have been both places and Knoxvegas is much better place than SD.

Of course in my current situation I would gladly take either one.

 

[spudvol]

flaw: noun

an imperfection or weakness and especially one that detracts from the whole or hinders effectiveness

"flawed" as in your argument is full of flaws. as in you gave a "flawed" argument, which detracts from its effectiveness.

point 1: you said none of our coaches were D-1 A QBs. Kiffin was a QB at Fresno State for 3yrs.

so I would say making a false statement would be considered a flaw in your case.

you've also put this silly emphasis on titles, as if being a position coach is more attractive on a résumé, than being a coordinator or the head coach of a team. that is completely flawed thinking.

now you're sounding like a troll from a rival fanbase by making an erroneous claim that Sarkisian should get the credit for Booty and Leinart's success when Kiffin was the chief playcaller according to anyone who followed the Southern Cal program during their time as co-coordinators.

so Kiffin's time coaching Booty and Leinart doesn't count in your book, nor does Chaney's time working with Brees and Orton.

4 QBs currently on NFL rosters that were coached by members of our staff at the college level and yet you want to claim this staff has never aided anyone who went on to the NFL.

Your reading comprehension flaw- I said no one on this staff has played D1 QB and as far as I know Kiffin never played.

Again, Kiffin coached receivers, not QBs. I guess somehow in your flawed imagination when Kiffin wasn't busy with the WRs he sent Sarkisian out for coffee and coached QBs. Sarkisian should get credit for doing his job, which was the QB coach. What basis do you have to attribute Sarkisian's work to Kiffin?

Again, the 4 QBs you keep referring to were coached by Sarkisian and Olson, not Kiffin and Chaney.

By all accounts I have heard, Kiffin and Sarkisian shared playcalling duties with Carroll having final say.

If Kiffin is everything your imagination makes him out to be, then why did the Raiders offer the HC job to Sarkisian first?

 

[VOLinCO]

Oh no! We got the wrong coaches! Damn Hamilton and his list of candidates.

 

[spudvol]

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Have you been to both places?

The majority of the things under SDSU could be added to Tennessee. Of course proximity is out. The QB coach thing is a load of crap. If you don't think this coaching is capable of building a QB, you have not been paying attention the last few months. Also a good southern girl is 10 times finer than a great Califonia girl. Plus most Southern Girls ain't plastic or primadonna's.

Our coaching staff can pick up the phone and call several great NFL QB's and they can answer the question of what its like to take a snap in the NFL.

I have been both places and Knoxvegas is much better place than SD.

Of course in my current situation I would gladly take either one.

From the perspective of someone who was raised in Tenn maybe SD and Knoxville are close, but we are talking about Tyler Bray's perspective not yours. Having lived in Cali all his life the culture shock of moving to Tenn may be more than he wants to deal with. You have to remember, Bray is the recruit, not us.

Secondly, there is one helluva a difference between being a capable recruiter and being a capable coach. We have good recruiters and coaches at every position except QB coach IMO and until we prove that we can put a QB in the NFL it gives a lot of ammo to other schools to use against us in recruiting a top QB prospect.

 

[spudvol]

Oh no! We got the wrong coaches! Damn Hamilton and his list of candidates.

There is nothing wrong with having a realistic view of what our coaches have accomplished in their careers. We have a great recruiting staff and hopefully a great coaching staff(time will tell), but I see no need to pad their resumes for them. How about we play a season or two before we elect this group to the HOF?

 

[spudvol]

google appalachian kentucky weed farms
history channel did a big thing on it

I am well aware of TN/KY pot growing, having done a little of it myself a long long time ago, I lived for 35 years on the TN/KY border (TN side of course).

 

[Lord Vader]

"They been sending three letters a day," Bray said. "They are telling me that they'd like me to be next QB. They are eager to get me out to Tennessee. A lot of their letters have been hand written and that's a lot of effort and tells me a lot. I've been talking with almost all the coaches."

"I've talked to Markeith a few times," Bray said. "He keeps saying that he wants me out there in Tennessee. It makes me feel good that he wants me and knowing I'm getting recognized as one of top quarterbacks is pretty awesome."

Per Rivals... Ambles is all over the place. I think we need Rex to get out the Vol Lock...

 

[spudvol]

I really don't see the point in getting this thread back on topic after all the effort I have put into derailing it.

/sarcasm

 

[VOLinCO]

From the perspective of someone who was raised in Tenn maybe SD and Knoxville are close, but we are talking about Tyler Bray's perspective not yours. Having lived in Cali all his life the culture shock of moving to Tenn may be more than he wants to deal with. You have to remember, Bray is the recruit, not us.

Secondly, there is one helluva a difference between being a capable recruiter and being a capable coach. We have good recruiters and coaches at every position except QB coach IMO and until we prove that we can put a QB in the NFL it gives a lot of ammo to other schools to use against us in recruiting a top QB prospect.

From experience, I can vouch that, outside of the urban centers, the culture in CA is quite similar to that in E. TN. Especially Bray's area of residence.

But your right, it does come down to Bray's perspective. I hope he will find TN to his liking.

 

[VOLinCO]

I really don't see the point in getting this thread back on topic after all the effort I have put into derailing it.

/sarcasm

But the trek has been enjoyable and enlightening.