'10 LA QB Benton "Munchie" Legaux

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tennisguy said:
I am with you Sab. I like Hendrix about as well as any QB we have offered. I believe this kid is really going to make a good college QB. I am just not sure about Munchie. I have to believe our staff thinks they can make him a good QB since he has been offered, but he just doesn't seem to fit our system. I watched his youtube video and he ran the ball 19 times and never took a snap under center. Most of his passes were 10 yards or less with the exception of just a few for maybe 20 yards. Hendrix on the other hand stands in the pocket, makes good throws, has a strong arm and can move pretty well himself.
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Munchie would flourish in a run-oriented spread offense IMO.
 
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you all are talking like hendrix mechanics are picture perfect, he made several throws off his back foot that would have ben picked at the college level, but we have to keep in mind theese are HS kids, and if their coaches were the best they would be in college or the pros. munchie was not near perfect either but i would grade him as good atleast as hendrix.
 
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orange_fan_inVa said:
you all are talking like hendrix mechanics are picture perfect, he made several throws off his back foot that would have ben picked at the college level, but we have to keep in mind theese are HS kids, and if their coaches were the best they would be in college or the pros. munchie was not near perfect either but i would grade him as good atleast as hendrix.
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orange_fan_inVa said:
you all are talking like hendrix mechanics are picture perfect, he made several throws off his back foot that would have ben picked at the college level, but we have to keep in mind theese are HS kids, and if their coaches were the best they would be in college or the pros. munchie was not near perfect either but i would grade him as good atleast as hendrix.
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We will have to agree to disagree. To me Hendrix clearly has more upside. This is JMO, but after watching both these guys videos, Hendrix will be the best pro-style college QB.
 
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Sabanocchio said:
Munchie would flourish in a run-oriented spread offense IMO.
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I agree. The kid is obviously talented, but I believe it would take a lot of work to make him a really good pro-style college QB. I am really surprised he got an offer this early, unless they are planning on taking him and making him a WR, which doesn't seem like Kiffins style.
 
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tennisguy said:
I agree. The kid is obviously talented, but I believe it would take a lot of work to make him a really good pro-style college QB. I am really surprised he got an offer this early, unless they are planning on taking him and making him a WR, which doesn't seem like Kiffins style.
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I agree 100%. I was surprised also.
 
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But he seems to really like the vols so I am all for it. We need playmakers and he appears to be one.
 
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Sabanocchio said:
Hendrix is an inch shorter, has virtually the same speed, is much more mature in terms of his frame and is far ahead of Legaux in terms of mechanics. His throwing motion allows for a much higher delivery then Legaux so the height difference is completely negated. If the coaches don't prefer him over Legaux, then I would be completely shocked. They aren't as hung up on stats as you are believe it or not.
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I met Hendrix this past weekend and he looks bigger than the 220 that most have him listed at. Looks like he has been hitting the wieght room some. I haven seen much film on Legaux but from what I have seen Hendrix looked to be the better QB.
 
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Sabanocchio said:
If the coaches don't prefer him over Legaux, then I would be completely shocked. They aren't as hung up on stats as you are believe it or not.
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HAHAHAHA!!!!!! Make up your mind Sab. Yesterday, you said I was more hung up on Munchie's rating when compared to Hendrix. Lmao. I hate to tell ya, but you are not a professional QB analyst. I rely on what OUR COACHES and the REAL talent evaluators say. I know you don't listen to the people who actually go the combines and stuff, but they know alot more about QBs than you do...

You keep talking like the staff thinks Hendrix is head and shoulders above Munchie. I hate to tell ya, but Munchie got an offer at the same time Hendrix did. It would appear that you and CLK are not on the same page here...

Your opinion that Hendrix is better is fine by me. But don't act like Hendrix blows Munchie out of the water or act like YOU KNOW who this staff prefers. If anything has become obvious over this past month with these commits, it's that NOBODY outside of the coaches knows what's REALLY going on...
 
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I think the key with Munchie was:

is he tall enough: yes

Athletic enough: yes

Arm Strength: yes

Accuracy: yes

Coachable: yes

He passed these tests and the coaches feel they can obviously put more weight on him and work on cleaning up the rest of him since there are not any serious flaws. You can see the upside he brings to the table. So thus an offer.

If all else fails he can play another position. Boyd couldnt.
 
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Nashvegas31 said:
I think the key with Munchie was:

is he tall enough: yes

Athletic enough: yes

Arm Strength: yes

Accuracy: yes

Coachable: yes

He passed these tests and the coaches feel they can obviously put more weight on him and work on cleaning up the rest of him since there are not any serious flaws. You can see the upside he brings to the table. So thus an offer.

If all else fails he can play another position. Boyd couldnt.
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Anything Can Happen.......
 
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Lord Vader said:
HAHAHAHA!!!!!! Make up your mind Sab. Yesterday, you said I was more hung up on Munchie's rating when compared to Hendrix. Lmao. I hate to tell ya, but you are not a professional QB analyst. I rely on what OUR COACHES and the REAL talent evaluators say. I know you don't listen to the people who actually go the combines and stuff, but they know alot more about QBs than you do...

You keep talking like the staff thinks Hendrix is head and shoulders above Munchie. I hate to tell ya, but Munchie got an offer at the same time Hendrix did. It would appear that you and CLK are not on the same page here...

Your opinion that Hendrix is better is fine by me. But don't act like Hendrix blows Munchie out of the water or act like YOU KNOW who this staff prefers. If anything has become obvious over this past month with these commits, it's that NOBODY outside of the coaches knows what's REALLY going on...
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So because they both received an offer at the same time that means the coaches like them equally? Okay. Right. That makes perfect sense. Not sure what you are talking about at all about ratings. You lost me there.

What I was saying is if the coaches honestly like Munchie as much as they do Hendrix I would be shocked. Not sure how that's even a debatable statement. But going by what this staff generally looks at in a quarterback, Hendrix does clearly blow Munchie out of the water -- no question. Compare the attributes and throw in the fact that Hendrix is twice the passer that Munchie is. There's no comparison.

Legaux:
6'4"
180
4.7 40

Hendrix:
6'3"
220
4.7 40

Hendrix is bigger, and just as fast.
 
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Sabanocchio said:
So because they both received an offer at the same time that means the coaches like them equally? Okay. Right. That makes perfect sense. Not sure what you are talking about at all about ratings. You lost me there.

But going by what this staff generally looks at in a quarterback, Hendrix does clearly blow Munchie out of the water -- no question. Compare the attributes and throw in the fact that Hendrix is twice the passer that Munchie is. There's no comparison.
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Of course they don't like them equally, but it's DEFINITELY not as big as you think. Yesterday you said I was looking to much into the ratings of Munchie. Today you said I'm looking to much into Munchie's stats. Here is a statment you posted yesterday in regards to what I said about Munchies ranking/rating:

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Lulz. I just have to point out the lunacy of scrutinizing recruiting rankings to that degree.
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And yesterday, I broke down their "attribues" a little better than you did. Please show me what leads you to believe that Hendrix is "twice the passer" and what makes you think that there is "no comparison" lmao...

Munchie Legaux: 6-4, 185, 4.6
Rivals- 5.8, #16 QB, #241 OVR
Scout- #23 QB
Lemming- #9 QB, #99 OVR
Stats- 1,784 yards, 30 TDs, 9 INTs, 68% Comp
Offers- Tenn, Mich, Miss, Ore, WVU
Where- big time football in New Orleans


Andrew Hendrix: 6-3, 220, 4.7
Rivals- 5.8, #14 QB, #200 OVR
Scout- NOT RATED
Lemming- NOT RATED
Stats- 1,700 yards, 11 TDs, 7 INTs, 61%
Offers- Tenn, ND, all the Big Ten schools
Where- big time football in Ohio
 
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Lord Vader said:
Of course they don't like them equally, but it's DEFINITELY not as big as you think. Yesterday you said I was looking to much into the ratings of Munchie. Today you said I'm looking to much into Munchie's stats. Here is a statment you posted yesterday in regards to what I said about Munchies ranking/rating:
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Do you have a point here? I'm failing to see it.
And yesterday, I broke down their "attribues" a little better than you did. Please show me what leads you to believe that Hendrix is "twice the passer" and what makes you think that there is "no comparison" lmao...

Munchie Legaux: 6-4, 185, 4.6
Rivals- 5.8, #16 QB, #241 OVR
Scout- #23 QB
Lemming- #9 QB, #99 OVR
Stats- 1,784 yards, 30 TDs, 9 INTs, 68% Comp
Offers- Tenn, Mich, Miss, Ore, WVU
Where- big time football in New Orleans


Andrew Hendrix: 6-3, 220, 4.7
Rivals- 5.8, #14 QB, #200 OVR
Scout- NOT RATED
Lemming- NOT RATED
Stats- 1,700 yards, 11 TDs, 7 INTs, 61%
Offers- Tenn, ND, all the Big Ten schools
Where- big time football in Ohio
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If you could just look at the numbers then what would be the purpose in scouting a prospect? The only numbers that differentiate the two to any degree is the stats. Look at the film. It's obvious who the better passer is. I'm sorry to disappoint you. I know how you love putting together tables of stats.

Just for one example of why you can't compare the two stat-wise, Hendrix didn't start the entire year and really didn't start to come on until later in the year.
 
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Sabanocchio said:
Do you have a point here? I'm failing to see it.
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The point is that no matter what I say, you always say "your looking to much into that."

If you could just look at the numbers then what would be the purpose in scouting a prospect? The only numbers that differentiate the two to any degree is the stats. Look at the film. It's obvious who the better passer is. I'm sorry to disappoint you. I know how you love putting together tables of stats.
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See, this statement right here is what is steering you wrong. We are NOT scouting the prospects. The coaches and people who work for the scouting agencies are the ones who scout the prospects. The thing you have to realize is that you are a guy who loves to follow recruiting, but doesn't have any real idea about scouting QBs (just like me). I mean, we can get on here and talk about it, but we really have no idea compared to the coaches and the scouts...

The UT coaches offered both of these QBs at the same time. That leads me to believe that they feel confident with getting either prospect to come to Knoxville

There is a big difference in the opinion of the REAL (not me and you) scouts. Rivals thinks Hendrix (#14) is a little bit better than Munchie (#16). Scout thinks Munchie is better by a decent amount cuz Hendrix isn't rated yet in the top 43 QBs. Tom Lemming (who is a better judge of talent than any single person for Scout or Rivals) has Munchie in his Top 100 and as the #9 QB while Hendrix and Scroggins are not listed...

Just for one example of why you can't compare the two stat-wise, Hendrix didn't start the entire year and really didn't start to come on until later in the year.
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Is this supposed to help your argument?
 
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Lord Vader said:
The point is that no matter what I say, you always say "your looking to much into that."
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Well, technically I would say "you're" looking too much into that, but that's beside the point. What I'm telling you is to watch the film. That's the most powerful tool we possess by which to judge a talent. You are getting too hung up on rankings and ratings and stats and not paying enough attention to the story the prospect tells pretty blatantly on film.

See, this statement right here is what is steering you wrong. We are NOT scouting the prospects. The coaches and people who work for the scouting agencies are the ones who scout the prospects. The thing you have to realize is that you are a guy who loves to follow recruiting, but doesn't have any real idea about scouting QBs (just like me). I mean, we can get on here and talk about it, but we really have no idea compared to the coaches and the scouts...
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Now why'd you have to go and do that. You're taking all the fun out of this. I know what my eyes tell me after years of watching QBs play and I trust my eyes. You call it what you want, scouting, assessing talent -- whatever, but just because you are trying to take the fun out of it doesn't mean I'm going to stop watching film.

The UT coaches offered both of these QBs at the same time. That leads me to believe that they feel confident with getting either prospect to come to Knoxville
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Not sure what your point is. Sure they feel confident in their ability to get the prospect to commit. This is an all-star recruiting staff.


There is a big difference in the opinion of the REAL (not me and you) scouts. Rivals thinks Hendrix (#14) is a little bit better than Munchie (#16). Scout thinks Munchie is better by a decent amount cuz Hendrix isn't rated yet in the top 43 QBs. Tom Lemming (who is a better judge of talent than any single person for Scout or Rivals) has Munchie in his Top 100 and as the #9 QB while Hendrix and Scroggins are not listed...
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Calling anyone from Scout or Rivals a "real" scout is comical. Those guys don't know much if any more than you or I and have the same tools at their disposal for the most part. Shoots down your entire argument.

The real point I'm trying to make here is that these are two different types of QBs. One fits this system while another does not. I'm confused to why we have even offered Munchie as a QB seeing that we have passed on prospects with better overall abilities.
Is this supposed to help your argument?
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No, dude. It's supposed to point out how fallible paying too much attention to stats is. Exactly what you are guilty of here.
 
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QBs must have the following: Instinct. Can avoid the rush, find a guy, and get it to him. Good feet (not necessarily fast). Quick release. Accuracy (at least 60% completion or so). Mental toughness, confidence. Throw well under pressure, throw well in the red zone, throw well on 3rd down, throw well in the 4th quarter, and how the QB manages to respond to his receivers making mistakes. Add about 30 more, and you can evaluate QBs, way to go.
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In other words, Munchie has an offer, so it means our coaches think he is equal to Hendrix, or can at least play ball in the SEC. Debatable? No. Also, evaluating prospects based on their highlight tapes is like evaluating the talent at a bar after 11 shots of tequila: Skewed.
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Sabanocchio said:
What I'm telling you is to watch the film. That's the most powerful tool we possess by which to judge a talent. You are getting too hung up on rankings and ratings and stats and not paying enough attention to the story the prospect tells pretty blatantly on film.
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Do you think I haven't watched the film? I acknowledge that I don't know enough about scouting QBs. That's why I lok to the ratings since they have actually went to watch the combines and wacthed the players perform. You are getting to hung up on your ability to see something different in the films than the guys who rate the players...:eek:k:


Now why'd you have to go and do that. You're taking all the fun out of this. I know what my eyes tell me after years of watching QBs play and I trust my eyes. You call it what you want, scouting, assessing talent -- whatever, but just because you are trying to take the fun out of it doesn't mean I'm going to stop watching film.
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Not trying to take the fun out of it at all. Just letting you know that by watching a 5 minute film clip, you aren't as good of a scout as the analysts and the UT coaches...


Not sure what your point is. Sure they feel confident in their ability to get the prospect to commit. This is an all-star recruiting staff.
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You read it wrong. I wasn't talking about the staff's ability to land them. I was saying that since they offered them both at the same time, they are comfortable with either one of them being the future QB of the Vols...

Calling anyone from Scout or Rivals a "real" scout is comical. Those guys don't know much if any more than you or I and have the same tools at their disposal for the most part. Shoots down your entire argument.
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For some reason they get payed for it and that is their job. I mean, that's all they do is watch film, and travel the country watching these players in games and in combines. They may miss on a few players, but I trust their opinion way more than I do mine or yours...

The real point I'm trying to make here is that these are two different types of QBs. One fits this system while another does not. I'm confused to why we have even offered Munchie as a QB seeing that we have passed on prospects with better overall abilities.
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Now there you go again thinking you are a better judge of talent than the UT staff. The reason it confuses you is because you can't judge talent as well as our staff and the scouts can. Quote from Munchie:

“Tennessee just offered me, and that is my latest,” he said. “The coaches said that I am the type of quarterback they are looking for, and they need one in this class."
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No, dude. It's supposed to point out how fallible paying too much attention to stats is. Exactly what you are guilty of here.
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As I have said before, I do not lok all that much into the stats. The TD/INT ratio and the completion percentage are the 2 biggest things I look at. I saw enough of the crap last year where a QB is the perfect size, has a strong arm, is solid in the classroom, but on the field he is dang idiot. A good TD/INT ratio and completion percentage shows that a QB is not making dumb decisions...

It doesn't matter to me who we get. Hendrix has been growing on me, but I would rather have Munchie. That's just my opinion. Hendrix might be better right now, but that's for the coaches to decide. It appears they like both of them quite a bit and recruiting them hard. The only thing I've been arguing is that Hendrix is not head and shoulders above Munchie, and if we do get Legaux as our #1 for this class, UT fans should not be discouraged...
 
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RhodeIslandVol said:
In other words, Munchie has an offer, so it means our coaches think he is equal to Hendrix, or can at least play ball in the SEC. Debatable? No. Also, evaluating prospects based on their highlight tapes is like evaluating the talent at a bar after 11 shots of tequila: Skewed.
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Yea man, that's all I'm trying to say. CLK thinks he can be the QB for UT. That says ALOT. Blake Bell, Jake Heaps, Jesse Scroggins, Andrew Hendrix, and Munchie Legaux are the only QBs that can say that. That is ELITE company. All the other UT QB offers were offered from Fulmer's staff. I'm pretty sure someone said that includes Phillip Sims as well, and I don't ever remember hearing anything about CLK trying hard to get Phillip...
 
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I hate to ask this, but if we are arguing Legaux vs. Hendrix ... does that mean we are shakey about both Heaps and Scroggins?
 
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orangebloodgmc said:
I hate to ask this, but if we are arguing Legaux vs. Hendrix ... does that mean we are shakey about both Heaps and Scroggins?
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Yea I think so. Everything is pointing to Heaps going to BYU or Washington. And with the USC and Florida offers to Scroggins, I have lost alot of the confidence I had last week with him. I didn't think either of them had a chance with him, but even if we can beat out USC because of their depth chart, Florida will be a battle. It sucks to say that, but he sounded extremely excited to get that Florida offer. Meyer and Loefler will be throwing everything they've got at him. Florida's depth chart isn't gonna scare him away either. I'm still confident in our abilty to land Scroggins, but it has gotten much tougher...
 
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