10 year show cause/NCAA, Tyndall discussion (merged)

[Dallasbowlin]

There's a ton of D-bags in the military. I was in the Navy 90-94.

Thank you for your service. I just look at it as, they served our country, and put their life on the line for us to stay free. Just my feelings.

 

[SeniorDrill]

He's an immature old man. I don't give a flying crap if he was in the military, he's done nothing to garner any respect around here, and that's all I have to go on.

Respect is earned, and he's failing miserably.

Son, I trained thousands of young men to stay alive in battle. What is your claim to fame, junior?

 

[edyeary]

If that's true then thank you very much for your service.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Son, I trained thousands of young men to stay alive in battle. What is your claim to fame, junior?

I don't need a claim to fame, and I'm not going to automatically kiss your ass because you were in the military. It doesn't give you free reign to be a condesending jackass.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Thank you for your service. I just look at it as, they served our country, and put their life on the line for us to stay free. Just my feelings.

That's fine, but that doesn't give him some free pass to be a prick.

 

[Dallasbowlin]

That's fine, but that doesn't give him some free pass to be a prick.

No, it doesn't.

 

[buzz4tennessee]

Huge difference in an investigation of a picture and that involving such a huge thing of academic fraud. That's like complaining about a huge murder investigation taking so much longer than a traffic camera incident. Good try, though.

No one should be fired until an investigation has been completed! Maybe suspended w/o pay until it's over. I think Al Pinkins*(?) would have done a better job in Tyndall's absence than what we ended up with in 2016. Would have give Hart a chance to scout more head coaches should he had to make a replacement.

Of course, I still don't believe Donnie has yet to be proven guilty of NCAA violations.

 

[buzz4tennessee]

No, it doesn't.

As to vsf, people who live in glass houses may apply.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

As to vsf, people who live in glass houses may apply.

Irony and hypocrisy is never lost on you, is it?

 

[SeniorDrill]

I don't need a claim to fame, and I'm not going to automatically kiss your ass because you were in the military. It doesn't give you free reign to be a condesending jackass.

You remind me of someone on the national scene. Two peas in a pod. Even has a desire to be commander-in-chief. LMAO.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

You remind me of someone on the national scene. Two peas in a pod. Even has a desire to be commander-in-chief. LMAO.

 

[vol66]

Donnie can recruit legally, like he always has since there is no proof that he has done so otherwise,

Morehead

From the fall of 2006 through April 2009, the head men’s coach, an assistant coach and other members of the men’s basketball staff had knowledge of, and at times directed or encouraged, impermissible recruiting activities of the booster. This booster, a university alumnus and financial contributor, was involved in the recruitment of more than 30 prospective student-athletes. His activities included evaluations, telephone contact, arranging workouts, assisting in the arrangement of official and unofficial visits, and offering improper recruiting inducements for prospective student-athletes. Through these activities, the booster became a countable coach, resulting in the men’s basketball program exceeding its countable coach limit by one.

The booster also arranged airline transportation and provided a loan for the cost of flights for two family members of a men’s basketball student-athlete.

During this time, the head coach and the booster exchanged 87 telephone calls and text messages, most of which included information regarding prospective student-athletes. Additionally, the two exchanged more than 200 e-mails, some in which the booster provided details of evaluations and contacts with prospective student-athletes.

Southern Miss

The activity began within six weeks of the former head coach starting at the university, involved the majority of the former coach’s staff and involved approximately half of the prospects the university recruited during a two-year period.

Recruit legally?

lol:

Ignorance is not a defense.

 

[whobethis16]

Morehead



Southern Miss



Recruit legally?

lol:

Ignorance is not a defense.

But....but...SD and Buzz say that the NCAA fabricated all of that! And they haven't provided a single document that proves otherwise, so we HAVE to take what they say as true!

 

[VolsSportsFan]

But....but...SD and Buzz say that the NCAA fabricated all of that! And they haven't provided a single document that proves otherwise, so we HAVE to take what they say as true!

That's because you haven't produced a document that says they DON'T have a document that says what they say it say!

End of story!

 

[SeniorDrill]

Southern Miss
Recruit legally?
lol:
Ignorance is not a defense.

During the initial months of the staff’s tenure at USM, Five assistants (yes five) devised a plan to assist prospective student-athletes (recruits or prospects) who needed academic support. Each assistant handled the academic affairs of the individual prospective student-athletes they recruited. With the exception of one they testified that Donnie Tyndall possessed no knowledge of the assistant coaches’ plans to improperly assist prospective student-athletes. HE WAS NOT THAT STUPID!!!!

This was a business termed Academic Fraud, Inc. being conducted nationwide and the NCAA hid that from the Tyndall defense team solely to protect themselves. Corruption at its finest. They submitted the exact same paperwork for a student at Northern Colorado that they had used at Southern Miss for a course completion. They immunized the CEO of the business. Folks at SMU were also involved at the immunized one is now an assistant coach working for the former SM AD at another university. You can't make this stuff up!!!! No wonder 60 Minutes wanted the story.

The NCAA had only one goal, protect themselves from the fact they had provided false information to Dave Hart and the University of Tennessee and Tyndall was fired based on their error.

 

[vol66]

But....but...SD and Buzz say that the NCAA fabricated all of that! And they haven't provided a single document that proves otherwise, so we HAVE to take what they say as true!

I don't mind. The NCAA has a version and Tyndall/Jackson have their version.

Something that can't be disputed is what happened to the players at USM. By the end of Tyndall's season here at THE UT every USM player he recruited save maybe one was gone/ineligible from USM. That is a fact.

USM had to finish a game with four players because of the toll taken on the basketball team by the NCAA/Tyndall. That is a fact.

Every assistant coach that had something to do with Morehead/USM was looking for work. That is a fact.

Both schools agreed with the NCAA that major violations occurred and apparently Tennessee also agreed that Tyndall was going to be found to have overseen a program that had committed major infractions. That is a fact.

Only one other coach has been slapped with this severe a penalty and in the wake of intense scrutiny after it's failings at Miami, the NCAA could ill afford to make mistakes Mr. Jackson would be sure to exploit. Thus, they cited all prior cases where immunity had been granted.

It has been 574 days since Donnie Tyndall last coached a college game.

I'm not into coach worship but at least with Pearl it was understandable, I mean he had a great deal of success here, Tyndall won half his games and was firing assistants before he'd even coached one game.

Looking at the bright side, it appears Tyndall has as many fans as Vanderbilt football.


GBO!!!

 

[vol66]

During the initial months of the staff’s tenure at USM, Five assistants (yes five) devised a plan to assist prospective student-athletes (recruits or prospects) who needed academic support. Each assistant handled the academic affairs of the individual prospective student-athletes they recruited. With the exception of one they testified that Donnie Tyndall possessed no knowledge of the assistant coaches’ plans to improperly assist prospective student-athletes. HE WAS NOT THAT STUPID!!!!

This was a business termed Academic Fraud, Inc. being conducted nationwide and the NCAA hid that from the Tyndall defense team solely to protect themselves. Corruption at its finest. They submitted the exact same paperwork for a student at Northern Colorado that they had used at Southern Miss for a course completion. They immunized the CEO of the business. Folks at SMU were also involved at the immunized one is now an assistant coach working for the former SM AD at another university. You can't make this stuff up!!!! No wonder 60 Minutes wanted the story.

The NCAA had only one goal, protect themselves from the fact they had provided false information to Dave Hart and the University of Tennessee and Tyndall was fired based on their error.

I've read Mr. Jackson's tweets so kudos to you for adopting his lingo and bringing all of this original thought to the board.

Who hired the five assistants? Who is in charge of the assistants on a daily basis? Who decides what players will be recruited? Who works with the AD on the budget for travel and recruiting expenses?

Tyndall tried the "I Didn't know, I thought he was a bona fide coach" excuse at Morehead and nobody bought it but that was before the new rule was in place to hold the head coach accountable for what goes on in HIS program.

It was HIS assistants, HE hired and you would have me believe that HE had no idea what kind of grades the players HE and HIS assistants were recruiting?

How did HE think those kids were going to get into school and be eligible for HIS team?

The best you have come up with is HE didn't know and to that I say, HE should have.

 

[calban]

I've read Mr. Jackson's tweets so kudos to you for adopting his lingo and bringing all of this original thought to the board.

Who hired the five assistants? Who is in charge of the assistants on a daily basis? Who decides what players will be recruited? Who works with the AD on the budget for travel and recruiting expenses?

Tyndall tried the "I Didn't know, I thought he was a bona fide coach" excuse at Morehead and nobody bought it but that was before the new rule was in place to hold the head coach accountable for what goes on in HIS program.

It was HIS assistants, HE hired and you would have me believe that HE had no idea what kind of grades the players HE and HIS assistants were recruiting?

How did HE think those kids were going to get into school and be eligible for HIS team?

The best you have come up with is HE didn't know and to that I say, HE should have.

Some of the most well thought and logical arguments I've seen on here in a while. Great job!:good!:

 

[VolsSportsFan]

I've read Mr. Jackson's tweets so kudos to you for adopting his lingo and bringing all of this original thought to the board.

Who hired the five assistants? Who is in charge of the assistants on a daily basis? Who decides what players will be recruited? Who works with the AD on the budget for travel and recruiting expenses?

Tyndall tried the "I Didn't know, I thought he was a bona fide coach" excuse at Morehead and nobody bought it but that was before the new rule was in place to hold the head coach accountable for what goes on in HIS program.

It was HIS assistants, HE hired and you would have me believe that HE had no idea what kind of grades the players HE and HIS assistants were recruiting?

How did HE think those kids were going to get into school and be eligible for HIS team?

The best you have come up with is HE didn't know and to that I say, HE should have.

You mean the esteemed SeniorBuzz is merely parroting someone else? That can't be!

 

[SeniorDrill]

You mean the esteemed SeniorBuzz is merely parroting someone else? That can't be!

Thought you guys had been pleading for that. So I give you a little and look what you do. Here's the deal and it's only a little common sense. You got to give them credit for ingenuity. If those at Southern Miss and these assistants had established a business where they were completing coursework not just at Southern Miss but elsewhere across the country, it would have had to have been done with the utmost secrecy.

Now bear in mind that less than a year after Tyndall arrived the SM tennis team was slammed by the NCAA and it's coaches were given six and seven year show causes for academic fraud. So you're telling me that with the NCAA investigation going on in full view in the next office, he was going to say let's do this in our basketball program, too. Give me a gigantic break!

So Southern Miss gladly threw Tyndall under the bus to avoid multiple sanctions on the university. They withheld from the NCAA that the academic fraud continued into the summer after Tyndall was at Tennessee. That along with the stuff going on at other universities exonerated Tyndall. So the institution got no sanctions from the NCAA and the assistant coach CEO got no sanctions. The NCAA set up the exAD during all of this up at another university and gave an ac job to the coach they immunized. You folks gotta realize Tyndall is innocent and the NCAA is guilty as hell. They are covering up their corruption. End of story.

 

[vol66]

Thought you guys had been pleading for that. So I give you a little and look what you do. Here's the deal and it's only a little common sense. You got to give them credit for ingenuity. If those at Southern Miss and these assistants had established a business where they were completing coursework not just at Southern Miss but elsewhere across the country, it would have had to have been done with the utmost secrecy.

Now bear in mind that less than a year after Tyndall arrived the SM tennis team was slammed by the NCAA and it's coaches were given six and seven year show causes for academic fraud. So you're telling me that with the NCAA investigation going on in full view in the next office, he was going to say let's do this in our basketball program, too. Give me a gigantic break!

So Southern Miss gladly threw Tyndall under the bus to avoid multiple sanctions on the university. They withheld from the NCAA that the academic fraud continued into the summer after Tyndall was at Tennessee. That along with the stuff going on at other universities exonerated Tyndall. So the institution got no sanctions from the NCAA and the assistant coach CEO got no sanctions. The NCAA set up the exAD during all of this up at another university and gave an ac job to the coach they immunized. You folks gotta realize Tyndall is innocent and the NCAA is guilty as hell. They are covering up their corruption. End of story.

Common sense? Give me break. Utmost secrecy? That's laughable. They were getting guys into school that other coaches would have liked to have but knew they couldn't take because the academics were so bad. In short, everybody in the basketball world knew something was fishy at USM even Gary Parrish had a source that called what they were doing "sloppy".

Now we know how truly sloppy they were though stupid might be more apt.

The NCAA does lots of things that I don't agree with like Isaiah Brock, but Tyndall and his boys got a combined 33 years worth of show cause penalties. If you want to continue to believe that it was all going on right under his nose go right ahead. But, that also means he wasn't in control of his program, that he was asleep at the wheel, negligent, derelict in his duties.

 

[whobethis16]

Thought you guys had been pleading for that. So I give you a little and look what you do. Here's the deal and it's only a little common sense. You got to give them credit for ingenuity. If those at Southern Miss and these assistants had established a business where they were completing coursework not just at Southern Miss but elsewhere across the country, it would have had to have been done with the utmost secrecy.

Now bear in mind that less than a year after Tyndall arrived the SM tennis team was slammed by the NCAA and it's coaches were given six and seven year show causes for academic fraud. So you're telling me that with the NCAA investigation going on in full view in the next office, he was going to say let's do this in our basketball program, too. Give me a gigantic break!

So Southern Miss gladly threw Tyndall under the bus to avoid multiple sanctions on the university. They withheld from the NCAA that the academic fraud continued into the summer after Tyndall was at Tennessee. That along with the stuff going on at other universities exonerated Tyndall. So the institution got no sanctions from the NCAA and the assistant coach CEO got no sanctions. The NCAA set up the exAD during all of this up at another university and gave an ac job to the coach they immunized. You folks gotta realize Tyndall is innocent and the NCAA is guilty as hell. They are covering up their corruption. End of story.

Except the majority of the tennis infractions was for money, not the one paper that was done for a player. Big difference in that.

 

[SeniorDrill]

Except the majority of the tennis infractions was for money, not the one paper that was done for a player. Big difference in that.

We aren't talking about one paper, we are talking about a business operation. It's coming folks!
"NCAA says in court filing it'll pay at rate of $100,000 per yr for bond needed to keep fighting $42.3M atty fee/cost award in O'Bannon case." This is the case referred to in which the U.S. Supreme Court refused to hear the NCAA's appeal.
Supreme Court rejects NCAA appeal of O'Bannon case - KFDA - NewsChannel 10 / Amarillo News, Weather, Sports

 

[whobethis16]

We aren't talking about one paper, we are talking about a business operation. It's coming folks!
"NCAA says in court filing it'll pay at rate of $100,000 per yr for bond needed to keep fighting $42.3M atty fee/cost award in O'Bannon case." This is the case referred to in which the U.S. Supreme Court refused to hear the NCAA's appeal.
Supreme Court rejects NCAA appeal of O'Bannon case - KFDA - NewsChannel 10 / Amarillo News, Weather, Sports

That has absolutely nothing to do with anything that has been said.

I was referring to your claim that the USM tennis team was hit because of academics, which is not accurate. The main part that they were hit with was because the coach offered a player $5k and a car, not the paper that was written for a player.

God, you bring in all these other stupid stories into your argument and can't even keep them straight.

In regards to this, it has absolutely nothing to do with recruiting violations. Do you even read the crap you post? This article is about the use of likeness. Not paying players or getting someone else take their classes. Holy ****, you really have lost your mind.

 

[dembewbs]

We aren't talking about one paper, we are talking about a business operation. It's coming folks!
"NCAA says in court filing it'll pay at rate of $100,000 per yr for bond needed to keep fighting $42.3M atty fee/cost award in O'Bannon case." This is the case referred to in which the U.S. Supreme Court refused to hear the NCAA's appeal.
Supreme Court rejects NCAA appeal of O'Bannon case - KFDA - NewsChannel 10 / Amarillo News, Weather, Sports

Tyndall cheated and got caught. End of story. Anyone that would allow themselves to believe otherwise clearly is pulling the sheeps wool over their eyes. Also any individual that would actually take time out of their day/night to try and convince others that a cheater isn't a cheater when that cheater was caught and there's plenty of evidence to back it up also clearly has something wrong with them.