10 year show cause/NCAA, Tyndall discussion (merged)

[SeniorDrill]

With 10 freshmen and sophs the odds are against them. so why would you need further explanation?

Isn't that in direct contradiction of your earlier statement?
"Can't wait to see the explanations if Barnes' kiddie team beats Chattahouchie and Forbes' jaugernaut."
Oh, by the way, if you count the walk-ons, the number is 13 instead of 10.

 

[whobethis16]

I take you at your word. I don't intend to waste my time searching. My point is there is nothing that prevents it from being done especially in the case of an assistant coach who received his based on what the head coach had done and not what he had done. It's really just common sense. Look for Steve Forbes to come to Tennessee with a new chancellor and AD if he is available when Rick Barnes departs. But, unfortunately, since we missed and didn't even consider him to replace Tyndall, another Power 5 school will probably sign him before then and once again Tennessee will be left holding the bag.

You really do live in a dream world.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Name a single coach who received a show-cause and then was hired back at the school where he received it. Ignoring a question doesn't make it go away.

Donnie Jones at UCF is the only coach I've known that got a show cause and the school didn't immediately fire him. He got a 3 year show cause and they retained him, then fired him after last season.

 

[vol66]

Donnie Jones at UCF is the only coach I've known that got a show cause and the school didn't immediately fire him. He got a 3 year show cause and they retained him, then fired him after last season.

Another was Larry Brown, he got a 2 year show cause coming out of the SMU case, the school kept him before he called quits on his own...which is normal for him.

Why SMU didn't fire coach Larry Brown after NCAA penalties

 

[calban]

Isn't that in direct contradiction of your earlier statement?
"Can't wait to see the explanations if Barnes' kiddie team beats Chattahouchie and Forbes' jaugernaut."
Oh, by the way, if you count the walk-ons, the number is 13 instead of 10.

What contradiction? for an analyst you sure do fail on comprehension.

Lindy said 12. You added ' instead of 10' in the quote.
We have 3 walk ons
Added Jacob Fleshman
10 on scholarship.
I know that hard to comprehend , but it does explain why your analytics exonerates tyndall.

 

[Ace]

Steve Forbes' great recruit from Indiana averaged 2.5 pts and 2 rebounds per game over 3 seasons.

 

[SeniorDrill]

Steve Forbes' great recruit from Indiana averaged 2.5 pts and 2 rebounds per game over 3 seasons.

Now, as Paul Harvey says, here is the rest of the story:
"Hanner Mosquera-Perea, 6'9", 230 lb. senior"
Played the last three seasons in the Big 10 Conference at Indiana University and will be required by NCAA rules to sit out the 2015-16 season ... will be eligible for his senior season in 2016-17 ... during his junior year at IU, he played 19.5 minutes per game, averaging 6.5 points and 2.7 rebounds to go with a team-high 33 blocks for the Hoosiers. ... as a senior in high school, Mosquera-Perea was the No. 9 rated power forward in his class and the overall No. 43 rated recruit in the nation according to Rivals.com, making him likely the most decorated recruit in ETSU program history. ... over his three seasons at Indiana, he averaged 11.2 minutes per game, while also netting a total of 265 points, 202 rebounds and 51 blocks with the Hoosiers. ... he also shot over 57 percent from the floor and 61 percent from the foul line during his time in Bloomington.
He was also selected by Lindy's Sports as the NEWCOMER OF THE YEAR in the 10 team Southern Conference 'nuff said.
Oh, wait, he is two years older than those junior year stats above and practiced with the Bucs during his red shirt year last year. He is older than Evans but never fear, Evans should be able to defend him, right?

 

[SeniorDrill]

What contradiction? for an analyst you sure do fail on comprehension.

Lindy said 12. You added ' instead of 10' in the quote.
We have 3 walk ons
Added Jacob Fleshman
10 on scholarship.
I know that hard to comprehend , but it does explain why your analytics exonerates tyndall.

Go to the roster and count 'em, bud! :hi:

 

[JohnnyD1024]

Now, as Paul Harvey says, here is the rest of the story:
"Hanner Mosquera-Perea, 6'9", 230 lb. senior"
Played the last three seasons in the Big 10 Conference at Indiana University and will be required by NCAA rules to sit out the 2015-16 season ... will be eligible for his senior season in 2016-17 ... during his junior year at IU, he played 19.5 minutes per game, averaging 6.5 points and 2.7 rebounds to go with a team-high 33 blocks for the Hoosiers. ... as a senior in high school, Mosquera-Perea was the No. 9 rated power forward in his class and the overall No. 43 rated recruit in the nation according to Rivals.com, making him likely the most decorated recruit in ETSU program history. ... over his three seasons at Indiana, he averaged 11.2 minutes per game, while also netting a total of 265 points, 202 rebounds and 51 blocks with the Hoosiers. ... he also shot over 57 percent from the floor and 61 percent from the foul line during his time in Bloomington.
He was also selected by Lindy's Sports as the NEWCOMER OF THE YEAR in the 10 team Southern Conference 'nuff said.
Oh, wait, he is two years older than those junior year stats above and practiced with the Bucs during his red shirt year last year. He is older than Evans but never fear, Evans should be able to defend him, right?

Evan's shouldn't have much of a problem considering Perea isn't very good.

 

[calban]

Go to the roster and count 'em, bud! :hi:

yes you should. Are you dense or what?
16 players
3 walk ons 2 so 1 fr
2 srs
1 jr
7 freshmen scholarship
3 sophomores scholarship

 

[Ace]

Now the rest of the rest of the story. Perea was so good at Indiana that he decided to move up to ETSU and the Southern Conference, in order to play against better competition.

 

[SeniorDrill]

yes you should. Are you dense or what?
16 players
3 walk ons 2 so 1 fr
2 srs
1 jr
7 freshmen scholarship
3 sophomores scholarship

Let us see who is dense, OK?
calban: "With 10 freshmen and sophs the odds are against them. so why would you need further explanation?"
SD: "Oh, by the way, if you count the walk-ons, the number is 13 instead of 10."

3 + 10 = 13 (not 10) To clarify, the 2016-17 Volunteers have 13 freshmen and sophomores out of 16 players. We will be fighting for last place in the SEC according to Lindy's Sports. In the meantime, up the road they will be fighting for a Southern Conference championship according to Lindy's Sports.

 

[calban]

Let us see who is dense, OK?
calban: "With 10 freshmen and sophs the odds are against them. so why would you need further explanation?"
SD: "Oh, by the way, if you count the walk-ons, the number is 13 instead of 10."

3 + 10 = 13 (not 10) To clarify, the 2016-17 Volunteers have 13 freshmen and sophomores out of 16 players. We will be fighting for last place in the SEC according to Lindy's Sports. In the meantime, up the road they will be fighting for a Southern Conference championship according to Lindy's Sports.

Here's Lindy's quote from your own thread.

Picked to finish 13th. Good news- The Vols finally return the same coach from the year prior, and he's a pretty darn good one. Bad news- Even a good coach needs proven players, and Rick Barnes has previous few. Our call - With 12 freshmen and sophomores, the Vols will endure significant growing pains. But this beleaguered program is finally growing.

How could you ever get through a how many page appeal brief?
Lindy said 12 , I corrected him to 13. Post about 10 in another thread was talking about scholarship players and you turned it into this.
Yer slippin.

PS With our depth at the guard position and competition for playing time there, I doubt seriously if our walk ons will see any significant time except in mop up if there is such a thing this season.

 

[SeniorDrill]

Hopefully the discussion can turn to Tennessee basketball instead of discussing the roster. Not a lot of news coming out from Barnes. The Checkerboard has about one thread out of 100 on Tennessee basketball. No interest at all. That is not good.
Let's give it a try.
As I have said elsewhere, I believe the starting lineup will be Bone, Mostella, Hubbs, Schofield, and Evans. Turner will be the sixth man and Alexander will back up Evans. That's only seven players, how will the other six be used? Does anyone have a different starting lineup in game 1?

 

[SeniorDrill]

Now the rest of the rest of the story. Perea was so good at Indiana that he decided to move up to ETSU and the Southern Conference, in order to play against better competition.

Actually, it's called being an ACE recruiter, Ace! :good!:

 

[calban]

Hopefully the discussion can turn to Tennessee basketball instead of discussing the roster. Not a lot of news coming out from Barnes. The Checkerboard has about one thread out of 100 on Tennessee basketball. No interest at all. That is not good.
Let's give it a try.
As I have said elsewhere, I believe the starting lineup will be Bone, Mostella, Hubbs, Schofield, and Evans. Turner will be the sixth man and Alexander will back up Evans. That's only seven players, how will the other six be used? Does anyone have a different starting lineup in game 1?

Evans isn't going to start because he doesn't play defense. Barnes has even talked about his lack of D.
With this roster he'll stick to the interchangeable 4/5 like last season with no true deep post game.
Evans is a pick and roll guy and watch um go by on D. Barnes has less than a month to turn him into anything else.

Schofield, Fulkerson, williams, Alexander, Evans will all split time at the 4/5 starting out. Hubbs at 4 will be the only main stay. A search for starters will continue well into the season.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Starters don't matter... Kamara wasn't in the announced starting lineup last Saturday, but he was in for the first play.

I think that the lineups will be adjusted to matchup defensively with the opponents roster. Except if it's impossible to match up with a team full of huge players, like 6'10"+ at both the 4 and 5, then I can see the lineup going small in order to try to gain an advantage by pushing the tempo.

 

[calban]

The 7 second transition could actually work this season with the talent at the guard position. Especially when Bone and Turner occupy the floor together.

 

[Ace]

SD, are you accusing Ace recruiter,Forbes, of a NCAA violation for recruiting a player already enrolled at another institution?

Perea left Indiana. If he is the awesome superstar you claim him to be, then why did he leave the Big Ten to play in the SoCon?

 

[SeniorDrill]

Starters don't matter... Kamara wasn't in the announced starting lineup last Saturday, but he was in for the first play.

I think that the lineups will be adjusted to matchup defensively with the opponents roster. Except if it's impossible to match up with a team full of huge players, like 6'10"+ at both the 4 and 5, then I can see the lineup going small in order to try to gain an advantage by pushing the tempo.

Why is everyone afraid to pick a starting lineup? It's almost basketball season and you'll come out with two deeps, shared minutes, etc. At least, I've got the guts to do that.

 

[calban]

Why is everyone afraid to pick a starting lineup? It's almost basketball season and you'll come out with two deeps, shared minutes, etc. At least, I've got the guts to do that.

Isn't this the 10 year show cause thread?
Several guys gave their line ups in the starters thread. Guts?

 

[SeniorDrill]

SD, are you accusing Ace recruiter,Forbes, of a NCAA violation for recruiting a player already enrolled at another institution?
Perea left Indiana. If he is the awesome superstar you claim him to be, then why did he leave the Big Ten to play in the SoCon?

Who knows what Forbes used to attract him and who knows why he left Indiana? Don't know what the attraction is but senior 7', 245# Peter Jurkin, an Indiana transfer who sat out the 2014-15 season, was recruited by Bartow. Perea is from Columbia and Jurkin from South Africa.

Let me ask you this? I'm just looking at the top 100 incoming freshmen in the Class of 2016 according to Lindy's College Basketball. Ben Howland has the 9th rated class for 2016 with the #50, #57, #68, and #82 ranked players (all 4 stars). #68 Mario Keglar would have joined the Vols this year along with Brandon Key, another 4 star who signed at Alabama.

With the coaching change, we cannot even get one. What gives? If Forbes were at Tennessee, I guarantee you that would not be the case.

 

[SeniorDrill]

Isn't this the 10 year show cause thread?
Several guys gave their line ups in the starters thread. Guts?

What's yours?

 

[calban]

What's yours?

Bone Turner Phillips Hubbs Schofield.
But will change from game to game.
Determined by best defensive contributions and 3 pt shooting.

 

[SeniorDrill]

Bone Turner Phillips Hubbs Schofield.
But will change from game to game.
Determined by best defensive contributions and 3 pt shooting.

Well, we're close. I'm thinking we need a spark off the bench and Turner might fill that role well. He could come in at the 1 or the 2 and give those guys a break. I don't see how you leave Mostella out of the lineup after he scored 17, 18, and 19 points in the SEC tournament and led the Rocky Top League averaging over 50 points. He could well be the replacement we need for the scoring of Kevin Punter. I don't think Hubbs can fill that role.