104th Annual Rose Bowl #2 Oklahoma vs #3 Georgia

[TDawg]

I've noticed that D4H has some kind of fixation on this, like the NFL "reveals" who truly was a good college player.

Johnny Manziel was also a flameout in the NFL. That means he sucked in college, right?

Alvin Kamara is having a great year this year because he went to a team that is using him correctly, has a great QB, and great offensive coaching/playcalling. If he was in Detroit, and being used extensively, you'd think he sucked.

God Detroit! If they EVER had a real consistent running game ...

Anyway, he can't discount Tebow as a product of a system in college and, as was already pointed out, not think Brady may be the product of an outright MACHINE in New England. But he also can't discount the fact that Kamara is really having a great season as a product of the New Orleans system of rotating him in to spell Ingram and vice versa. Kamara is the best thing to ever happen to Ingram and vice versa. Kamara has only had to have 201 total touches and that's because of the system.

Can you imagine older RBs having that kind of system to play in? Barry Sanders would still be playing, heck Herschel Walker would have had another 5-7 years added to his career (although, looking at him during workouts, he could probably still have 10 productive touches a game).

 

[JMSqb11]

I've noticed that D4H has some kind of fixation on this, like the NFL "reveals" who truly was a good college player.

Johnny Manziel was also a flameout in the NFL. That means he sucked in college, right?

Alvin Kamara is having a great year this year because he went to a team that is using him correctly, has a great QB, and great offensive coaching/playcalling. If he was in Detroit, and being used extensively, you'd think he sucked.

Hell look at Jason White. He deservedly won the Heisman over Eli Manning. But because he didn't make it in the pro's, he was a sure fire college failure by D4H's logic.

 

[TDawg]

Hell look at Jason White. He deservedly won the Heisman over Eli Manning. But because he didn't make it in the pro's, he was a sure fire college failure by D4H's logic.

Pretty sure he uses said logic in hopes his favorite UT players that he has pics of all over his wall will get another shot to be great. Hell, even Brady had decent years his junior and senior year at Michigan. He just needed a better system in the NFL.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Yet you do .. Kamara's season hinged on being able to take a backseat to .. MARK INGRAM! Think about that one for a second. Fournette and Cook would take a backseat to no one. The Vikings let Adrian Peterson go after bringing Cook in. The Saints didn't make AK an every down back over Ingram all year and maybe, JUST MAYBE, the last few games are a sign of teams figuring them out.

ONE SEASON DOTH NOT MAKE A CAREER AND YOU HAVEN'T FIGURED THAT OUT YET!

LOL @ taking a back seat to Mark Ingram.

Do you even watch the Saints play?

When the game is on the line or when they are behind, it's Alvin that is in the game. The entire offense is now crafted around Alvin's skills. That is why they looked lost in that game where he got hurt early.

You sound silly right now trying to discredit Alvin. There are respectable people in the NFL touting him as a MVP candidate as a rookie and you are mentioning Mark Ingram. Deion Sanders would slap you for suggesting such a thing. And I'm sure he's forgotten more football than you'll ever know.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

You don't get to dismiss Tebow's college career by saying he's a product of a system and not say the same about Brady's career at New England. Once again, your lack of football knowledge is showing tremendously.

Why are alleged Tennessee fans so smitten over Tim Tebow? He's a Gator.

I thought he was trash in college. And his NFL failure confirmed my thoughts.

Tim Tebow = product of a system

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

I've noticed that D4H has some kind of fixation on this, like the NFL "reveals" who truly was a good college player.

Johnny Manziel was also a flameout in the NFL. That means he sucked in college, right?

Alvin Kamara is having a great year this year because he went to a team that is using him correctly, has a great QB, and great offensive coaching/playcalling. If he was in Detroit, and being used extensively, you'd think he sucked.

Johnny Manziel was a product of the gimmicky spread air raid college offense that makes untalented college players look better than they really are every year. This year's beneficiary and future NFL flameout is Baker Mayfield.

And you could put Alvin on any team in the NFL and he would still be a star. He's the one who has made Drew Brees and the Saints offense what they are this year than the other way around. The game in Atlanta which he got hurt in the first quarter exposed this truth. The Saints offense looked lost that night with no Kamara in the lineup.

Alvin Kamara = key to the Saints offense

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Hell look at Jason White. He deservedly won the Heisman over Eli Manning. But because he didn't make it in the pro's, he was a sure fire college failure by D4H's logic.

That guy is one of the worst athletes I've ever seen regardless of the sport. He didn't even look like he belonged on a football field let alone be awarded the Heisman. Jason White was the definition of being a product of the system.

 

[Vol8188]

Why are alleged Tennessee fans so smitten over Tim Tebow? He's a Gator.

I thought he was trash in college. And his NFL failure confirmed my thoughts.

Tim Tebow = product of a system

Failing in the NFL doesn't make a QB trash. That's two different things. Tebow was an excellent college QB, just like Manziel, Vince Young, and many other qbs in history who didn't have the arm or mental abilities for the NFL

 

[TDawg]

LOL @ taking a back seat to Mark Ingram.

Do you even watch the Saints play?

When the game is on the line or when they are behind, it's Alvin that is in the game. The entire offense is now crafted around Alvin's skills. That is why they looked lost in that game where he got hurt early.

You sound silly right now trying to discredit Alvin. There are respectable people in the NFL touting him as a MVP candidate as a rookie and you are mentioning Mark Ingram. Deion Sanders would slap you for suggesting such a thing. And I'm sure he's forgotten more football than you'll ever know.

You've got to stop :lolabove::lolabove::lolabove: First off, its common knowledge that Mark Ingram IS A FEATURED BACK.

Alvin played healthy in his last three games and was rather pedestrian as a ball carrier with a decent game against a decimated TB defense being the only thing to talk about among the three.

And Deion Sanders??? There is a reason he is never considered one of the better analysts out there. When that's your go to card, you got problems. Face it man, you're Alvin's fanboy and you can not have an objective conversation about any of your "fanboy faves". Alvin has had a really good year but MVP???

2017 NFL MVP race: Tom Brady is the favorite after Antonio Brown injury - SBNation.com

2017 NFL MVP Poll - Todd Gurley and everyone else chasing Tom Brady for the No. 1 spot

2017 NFL MVP Watch: Todd Gurley emerges as the only real threat to Tom Brady - CBSSports.com

NFL MVP Futures: A Two-Man Race Between Brady and Gurley | Odds Shark

Tom Brady leads tight MVP race heading into final stretch of 2017 - NFL.com

AND LASTLY ...

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...eason-predictions-mvp-rookie-of-the-year-more

They don't even have Kamara listed in rookie of the year predictions in this one .. you may say "well, that's just mid season picks" but that's when Kamara was really getting after it. You think they changed their minds after seeing AKs last three games ....lol:lol:

 

[TDawg]

Why are alleged Tennessee fans so smitten over Tim Tebow? He's a Gator.

I thought he was trash in college. And his NFL failure confirmed my thoughts.

Tim Tebow = product of a system

You thinking he was trash in college once again proves you are just beyond help. You don't know the game at all, just a big fan of some of the players.

Tebow accounted for over 140 TDs, 130 of those in the last three years. He completed over 64% passing all four years, his QBR is OFF THE CHARTS! We knew you were FAR from some knowledgable football guy but this just adds to the evidence ..

Tim Tebow College Stats | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

 

[Atlanta917]

Why are alleged Tennessee fans so smitten over Tim Tebow? He's a Gator.

I thought he was trash in college. And his NFL failure confirmed my thoughts.

Tim Tebow = product of a system

As a UGA fan I don’t like Tim Tebow. Whether it was his fault or the media’s that we had to hear about the different bible verse on his cheek every week is up for debate, but what’s not is that he was one of if not the best college player ever. You can still be a fan of your team while giving credit to a player who doesn’t play for your team. I’m not a UT fan but I still thought Eric berry was incredible.

 

[Grand Vol]

As a UGA fan I don’t like Tim Tebow. Whether it was his fault or the media’s that we had to hear about the different bible verse on his cheek every week is up for debate, but what’s not is that he was one of if not the best college player ever. You can still be a fan of your team while giving credit to a player who doesn’t play for your team. I’m not a UT fan but I still thought Eric berry was incredible.

You probably love Josh Dobbs lol

Cool story bro time.

I was just at the Rose Bowl and one of the OU fans tailgating was tossing a football at anyone and everyone to have a little fun. He tossed it my way and I caught it before chucking it back. He tells me "nice catch" to which I reply:

"Just like Jauan Jennings in the Georgia end zone."

The UGA fans nearby displayed a distinct lack of approval for my comment.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Why are alleged Tennessee fans so smitten over Tim Tebow? He's a Gator.

I thought he was trash in college. And his NFL failure confirmed my thoughts.

Tim Tebow = product of a system

Sometimes you really are a ****ing idiot.

 

[TDawg]

Sometimes you really are a ****ing idiot.

:lolabove:
He said sometimes ...

 

[Atlanta917]

You probably love Josh Dobbs lol

Cool story bro time.

I was just at the Rose Bowl and one of the OU fans tailgating was tossing a football at anyone and everyone to have a little fun. He tossed it my way and I caught it before chucking it back. He tells me "nice catch" to which I reply:
"Just like Jauan Jennings in the Georgia end zone."
The UGA fans nearby displayed a distinct lack of approval for my comment.

lol I like to think that if UGA hangs on to win that game butch gets fired that year and doesn’t give UGA Cade mays and the easy win this year. Just like I’m sure the UGA loss hurt this year for UT fans, but if it’s that what got rid of butch it may have been what UT needed.

 

[JMSqb11]

Why are alleged Tennessee fans so smitten over Tim Tebow? He's a Gator.

I thought he was trash in college. And his NFL failure confirmed my thoughts.

Tim Tebow = product of a system

Yeah okay. The best QB of all time in college is a “product of a system”

 

[TDawg]

Yeah okay. The best QB of all time in college is a “product of a system”

He gives Kamara a bunch of praise saying the New Orleans system is built around Kamara but is too ignorant to see that's EXACTLY what Urban did with Tebow. That entire offense was built around Tebow. And yes, he had talent around him but he was THAT guy that made people around him better. D4H talks about where UT went after Dobbs left to point to Dobbs being great but also talks about "all the talent on the UT teams those years" .. But what has Florida done SINCE Tebow left .. Guys like Brantley, Driskell, Franks and Harris have yielded some of the worse offenses in UF history.

 

[Atlanta917]

That’s actually a pretty a good question. What would UT’s current recruiting class look like if Butch was fired before this season and this was Pruitt’s first full class. UT would probably have one of Emory jones, Justin fields, or Trevor Lawrence along with some high profile defensive recruits

 

[hndog609]

Failing in the NFL doesn't make a QB trash. That's two different things. Tebow was an excellent college QB, just like Manziel, Vince Young, and many other qbs in history who didn't have the arm or mental abilities for the NFL

His inability to separate college ball and pro ball is one of the biggest indicators of how little he actually understands the game. (despite his incessant claims otherwise)

Tebow was the #1 QB recruit in the country in '06. That's not system related, he was considered the best guy in the country at his position. He then went on to, if anything, exceed all expectations. Now think about how much trepidation was shown by lots and LOTS of people on how well his game would translate to the NFL.

Charlie Ward won the Heisman, Maxwell and Davey O'Brien awards on the way to a NC. He didn't project well enough in the NFL to keep him from bucking football altogether in favor of the NBA.

Just because a player projects to be and indeed is a great college player has zip, zilch, nada, square root of jack to do with dissing those players in relation to the NFL. If you are/were a great college player that's what you were/are and it takes a gold plated idiot to not grasp that fact.

 

[GAVol]

Yeah okay. The best QB of all time in college is a “product of a system”

D4H isn't very insightful. He's just a product of the VN system.

 

[JMSqb11]

He gives Kamara a bunch of praise saying the New Orleans system is built around Kamara but is too ignorant to see that's EXACTLY what Urban did with Tebow. That entire offense was built around Tebow. And yes, he had talent around him but he was THAT guy that made people around him better. D4H talks about where UT went after Dobbs left to point to Dobbs being great but also talks about "all the talent on the UT teams those years" .. But what has Florida done SINCE Tebow left .. Guys like Brantley, Driskell, Franks and Harris have yielded some of the worse offenses in UF history.

Exactly. Also, for all that talent at Florida setting up Tebow. Why did Brantley crash and burn there after 2 years of backing up Tebow and coaching under Urban? For all that talent that propped up the QB, Brantley sure tanked badly.

 

[TDawg]

His inability to separate college ball and pro ball is one of the biggest indicators of how little he actually understands the game. (despite his incessant claims otherwise)

Tebow was the #1 QB recruit in the country in '06. That's not system related, he was considered the best guy in the country at his position. He then went on to, if anything, exceed all expectations. Now think about how much trepidation was shown by lots and LOTS of people on how well his game would translate to the NFL.

Charlie Ward won the Heisman, Maxwell and Davey O'Brien awards on the way to a NC. He didn't project well enough in the NFL to keep him from bucking football altogether in favor of the NBA.

Just because a player projects to be and indeed is a great college player has zip, zilch, nada, square root of jack to do with dissing those players in relation to the NFL. If you are/were a great college player that's what you were/are and it takes a gold plated idiot to not grasp that fact.

Wish I could give you more than one "Like" for "gold plated idiot" .. when we are talking Tim Tebow, I think people forget that he really did take a team going no where after 4 games to the playoffs. Tebow didn't get any more of an NFL chance because he wasn't a prototypical QB as a lefty. How winning a playoff game translates to NEVER getting another chance makes no sense to me. That being said, I don't get paid to evaluate QBs in the NFL so there's that.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

D4H isn't very insightful. He's just a product of the VN system.

Aren't you a "coach"?

Fahr GAVol!

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Wish I could give you more than one "Like" for "gold plated idiot" .. when we are talking Tim Tebow, I think people forget that he really did take a team going no where after 4 games to the playoffs. Tebow didn't get any more of an NFL chance because he wasn't a prototypical QB as a lefty. How winning a playoff game translates to NEVER getting another chance makes no sense to me. That being said, I don't get paid to evaluate QBs in the NFL so there's that.

If you weren't a dawg fan I think I could hang out with you and drink a few cold ones.

:good!:

 

[TDawg]

If you weren't a dawg fan I think I could hang out with you and drink a few cold ones.

:good!:

LOL .. I think it's pretty cool actually to hang out for games with people from other fan bases .. I usually only have one rule .. keep it from getting personal and lets agree to shake hands at the end no matter what happens. Used to watch games with LSU, AU, Bama and Florida fans prior to my second deployment .. all were other soldiers. Me and the one LSU fan watched the UGA/LSU game together that year and just laughed like "hey, no matter what happens, we both still going to Iraq in a few weeks".

I like a lot of you on here because many of you keep the chippiness out of it. You guys were graceful when I praised Dobbs after the UT win a few years ago and were sympathetic over the Chubb injury a couple years ago. Every fan base has the delusional, the jerks and the utter wackos but generally, there are quite a few quality people amongst every team's fans.