12/1 AP POLL - UT #6

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Orange defense said:
Where are you getting an 8 seed at? The coaches poll and the ap poll has Bama coming to Knoxville right now. That’s all we have at this point. #11 Bama at #6 Tennessee for now. It’ll probably change, but for now, that’s what I see. I don’t get my self ahead of the future, I stay where it shows for now. I’m not paying attention to the CFP at this point. That’ll come Tuesday night.
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Yes, but the seeding is a 2 step process. The CFP publishes the rankings (poll) and then applies the criteria for Conference Champions and Automatic Qualifiers to the rankings (poll). When you just look at the polls and say “Alabama would be at TN”, you are leaving out the second and most critical step of the process. If you don’t want to “get yourself ahead of the future”, just wait until the final poll and the actual seeding. Saying “Alabama would be at TN” isn’t applying the process. Applying the SEEDING criteria to the AP poll is easy and has been done multiple times. Based on this AP poll, OSU would be at TN in the first round because Boise St. and SMU would jump both us and OSU. We would go from #6 in the POLL to #8 SEED and OSU would go from #7 to #9. If you are going to extrapolate a SEED, you must use the seeding criteria. Not just the poll….

JMSqb11 has a great visual aid:
 

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UTFranklinVol said:
If this is the logic then Penn St losing the B10 will allow them to still host (only having 2 losses and one being in the title game) If that is true then there's literally zero chance Tennessee will get to host a game no matter what happens the rest of the way and I simple don't believe that is true.
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Yes. Penn State losing in the Big Ten title will only drop them to the 6 seed at worst or hold serve with the 5 seed. I personally think the CFP is gonna lock Notre Dame for bias into the 5 seed unless Oregon was to lose.

So with Oregon beating Penn State, Penn State will still host at the 5 or 6 seed.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Nice. For the visual learners, it’s like the following.

Green - 4 Bye Seeds
Blue - Host Seeds
Yellow - Last 4 At Large Seeds

Penn State vs Arizona State
Notre Dame vs Bama
Georgia vs Indiana
Tennessee vs Ohio State
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I’m still struggling with this, can you make it easier? Maybe you should pin it at the top of every post for the next 10 days.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Yes. Penn State losing in the Big Ten title will only drop them to the 6 seed at worst or hold serve with the 5 seed. I personally think the CFP is gonna lock Notre Dame for bias into the 5 seed unless Oregon was to lose.

So with Oregon beating Penn State, Penn State will still host at the 5 or 6 seed.
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Most people would agree Penn St and Indiana are both complete frauds. Indiana plummeted in the rankings when they lost to OSU even though Indiana only has 1 loss.

If PSU loses to Oregon, especially by double digits, it's hard for me to understand why they wouldn't fall further simply becuse they played Oregon in the title game and not the regular season. If they had played them in the regular season and lost we wouldn't even have this argument. Penn St best win of the year is over #22 Illinois. How can you compare a 2 loss PSU to a 2 loss Tennessee and say PSU deserves a higher ranking? PSU would have played exactly 2 good teams and lost to them both.

Just because it's a title game should not matter a loss is a loss and always has been. That goes for PSU and Georgia too IMO

If PSU and or Georgia lose their games and Tennessee is not hosting a playoff game then this whole system is a sham. Because if you throw that on top of teams like Boise St and SMU get to just leap ahead to a bye week then this means pretty much the only way to get a host game is to play in a title game or be Notre Dame. That's BS
 
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UTFranklinVol said:
Most people would agree Penn St and Indiana are both complete frauds. Indiana plummeted in the rankings when they lost to OSU even though Indiana only has 1 loss.

If PSU loses to Oregon, especially by double digits, it's hard for me to understand why they wouldn't fall further simply becuse they played Oregon in the title game and not the regular season. If they had played them in the regular season and lost we wouldn't even have this argument. Penn St best win of the year is over #22 Illinois. How can you compare a 2 loss PSU to a 2 loss Tennessee and say PSU deserves a higher ranking? PSU would have played exactly 2 good teams and lost to them both.

Just because it's a title game should not matter a loss is a loss and always has been. That goes for PSU and Georgia too IMO

If PSU and or Georgia lose their games and Tennessee is not hosting a playoff game then this whole system is a sham. Because if you throw that on top of teams like Boise St and SMU get to just leap ahead to a bye week then this means pretty much the only way to get a host game is to play in a title game or be Notre Dame. That's BS
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You’re not gonna penalize teams by taking away a host seed for playing an extra game that other host seeds didn’t play in. I don’t like it but it’s the truth
 
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Dadof2Vols said:
I’m still struggling with this, can you make it easier? Maybe you should pin it at the top of every post for the next 10 days.
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100%. It amazes me how many people who regularly post on this board cannot comprehend how playoff seeding works. Hopefully they don't have degrees from UT, which would only de-value mine. LOL
 
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Jpcisco said:
Blows my mind SMU and Boise could get first round bye's. Its the system, I get it, but whoever they end up playing is going to expose them. Some teams have heavily benefited this year with weak schedules. Penn St, Indiana, Boise St, SMU, Miami, Notre Dame, Texas.
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It’s gonna make the playoff games much better football weekend watching than the bowl games. ESPN will get the CFP changed……
 
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UTFranklinVol said:
Most people would agree Penn St and Indiana are both complete frauds. Indiana plummeted in the rankings when they lost to OSU even though Indiana only has 1 loss.

If PSU loses to Oregon, especially by double digits, it's hard for me to understand why they wouldn't fall further simply becuse they played Oregon in the title game and not the regular season. If they had played them in the regular season and lost we wouldn't even have this argument. Penn St best win of the year is over #22 Illinois. How can you compare a 2 loss PSU to a 2 loss Tennessee and say PSU deserves a higher ranking? PSU would have played exactly 2 good teams and lost to them both.

Just because it's a title game should not matter a loss is a loss and always has been. That goes for PSU and Georgia too IMO

If PSU and or Georgia lose their games and Tennessee is not hosting a playoff game then this whole system is a sham. Because if you throw that on top of teams like Boise St and SMU get to just leap ahead to a bye week then this means pretty much the only way to get a host game is to play in a title game or be Notre Dame. That's BS
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I agree with you to some point.

If PSU gets beat or slaughtered by Oregon it should matter just like if it was a regulars season game to your point as it’s the first time they met and they backed into it.

I do believe if UGA loses to Texas, I don’t see it having an effect on them as they have already beat Texas and you would be punishing them for playing an extra game.

Would we want UT to be out of playoffs or lose a home game just because they had to play in CG?

No, but I do believe the circumstances matter and if your schedule is suspect and you get exposed in CG, it should matter.
 
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#113
I know it’s probably more advantageous for us if Texas beats Georgia but screw those guys. Seriously. ESPN led with this drivel: “In its first season as a member of the SEC, Texas didn't just show it belongs, it proved it deserves to contend for championships.”

No, no it did not. Not counting Texas, there are 8 SEC teams who were over .500 in conference who went a combined 42-22. Texas went 1-1 against two of them and didn’t play the other six. Against the bottom seven, who went a combined 15-41, they went 6-0. The only one they missed was Auburn.

We really, really need balanced scheduling if we’re going to have 16 teams.
 
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I can’t understand how they could put some of these teams in the top 4 playoff spots just because of a conference championship. If Clemson wins, how and why would they give them a top 4 playoff spot. After being mediocre during the season. Boise State is another team that doesn’t deserve to be a top 4 either. Should these teams get a playoff spot, yes. But something is definitely wrong if this is the way it plays out.
 
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loggervol said:
I can’t understand how they could put some of these teams in the top 4 playoff spots just because of a conference championship. If Clemson wins, how and why would they give them a top 4 playoff spot. After being mediocre during the season. Boise State is another team that doesn’t deserve to be a top 4 either. Should these teams get a playoff spot, yes. But something is definitely wrong if this is the way it plays out.
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Study history.

it was the only way most of the conferences would agree to the CFP12 format.

They wanted a guarantee for each conference and byes.

Sankey and Big10 agreed to their demand or we would still be at 4 team playoff
 
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Yes, I believe this biased / politically motivated / commercial revenue based scheme is so much better than using weighted rankings from 3 sources (AP, Coaches and USA Today), strength of schedule computer calculations and numerical differences in scores against same or similar teams. Yeah, I love the politics involved in all this - makes perfect sense.
 
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UT97Vol said:
No worries brother. This system is a bit convoluted.

After seeing this play out this year I’m ready for them to just go ahead move this to 16 teams and give home games to the top 8 for the first round and be done with the all the nonsense.
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I agree that sixteen would be perfect. I think they should allow the two top teams not in the ACC, Big10, Big12, and SEC as automatic bids and both seeded according to a formula that includes strength of schedule and opposing teams schedules, not just the AP and coaches poll, nor a panel of 13 humans that can be biased!!! After that, it should come down to strength of schedule, strength of opposing teams schedules, AP, and coaches poll with the strength of schedule being 40% and the other three being 20% each. That would cause more teams to schedule tougher non conference games and give all of us fans more top 25 match ups to watch!!! I would rather them build a formula as long as it is legit for the other 10 teams. I also don't think an independent team with a weak schedule should not get into the playoff with two or more losses!
 
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ZZ13 said:
Good news, since the committee simply copies the AP poll, so far.

Dang. USCjr jumped Ole Miss. I'd be pissed if I were Ole Miss. They crushed USCjr in Columbia.
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SC had the win against LSU taken from them by the refs when they still thought LSU was a good team. They are and should be 10-2, with a last minute loss to Bama.

Ole Miss lost to Kentucky and two more games. Kiffin can console himself with his usual coeds.
 
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VolCalls said:
We will not be #6 and we won’t play Arizona State. We will be #7 at best and #9 at worst. Likely hosting Ohio State or Indiana.
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I agree with everything you said, except there remains a possibility, albeit very small, that we could pass both UGA and PSU if they get blown out in their championship games. I'm not sure UGA has to get blown.
 
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VolAllen said:
We won’t play AZ State. They’ll seed them accordingly to play a more western team. The Vols will end up playing Ohio State, ND, Indy, Penn, or an SEC team first round. Take that to the bank.
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ND has 5th seed locked down. They will have the easiest path to the finals. They could wind up hosting Bama in 1st round.
 
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