'12 JUCO PG Fabyon Harris

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I've been one of Traes biggest supporters but I think this game is a good reason why you try to bring in Fabyon.

Trae was a good sophomore PG and showed a lot, BUT what if he doesn't progress? You have to have a back up plan and Wes isn't it.

JMO
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I've been one of Traes biggest supporters but I think this game is a good reason why you try to bring in Fabyon.

Trae was a good sophomore PG and showed a lot, BUT what if he doesn't progress? You have to have a back up plan and Wes isn't it.

JMO
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But he is one of the best PG's in the league, and should be the best next season..... At least that what I've seen wrote.
 
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VolsFan4Ever-11 said:
But he is one of the best PG's in the league, and should be the best next season..... At least that what I've seen wrote.
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I don't know if he'll be the best next year. But Trae was upper tier...top 4 PG this year. Statistically he was better than Teague in almost every category.
 
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zjcvols said:
I don't know if he'll be the best next year. But Trae was upper tier...top 4 PG this year. Statistically he was better than Teague in almost every category.
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That's been bleeding's thing all season throwing that out there. I was just saying now all of a sudden he's not sure if he can develop good enough.
 
#57
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I think Golden is better suited for the 2. I can't take him much more with 2 min left to go in a close game, his IQ drops to about 12.
 
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Volfan slow down and read...

What I said and mean is this. trae had a very good year for a PG, but with his current skill set and mind set we are limited as a team.

If he improves that in the off season he will be fine, but what if he doesn't? Well be good with him the exact same level he is now, but we could be great if he improve on it.

But as I said what if he doesn't? You have to have a back up plan, and Wes isn't that guy.

That doesn't change that Trae likely position of the future here and professionally is at the 2, but it's more me saying we need to atleast have a back up in place if he doesn't improve.

As ZJC said he was top 4 this year. If he doesn't improve at all in the off season too 4 may not be good enough for us to be a great team. Then again he may improve and be a top 2 Pg.

You just don't know, and that's why I say it'd be a goo idea to have a backup.
 
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VolsFan4Ever-11 said:
That's been bleeding's thing all season throwing that out there. I was just saying now all of a sudden he's not sure if he can develop good enough.
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I'm not sure about many guys development that is part of the risk...

The issue here is the PG position is too important to not have an alternative. If trae improves even slightly hell be fine, but I'm saying what if he didn't another viable PG would be nice to have.

Also, what if Trae blows out a knee or something? It's a good idea to have another PG on the roster who is atleast serviceable.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Volfan slow down and read...

What I said and mean is this. trae had a very good year for a PG, but with his current skill set and mind set we are limited as a team.

If he improves that in the off season he will be fine, but what if he doesn't? Well be good with him the exact same level he is now, but we could be great if he improve on it.

But as I said what if he doesn't? You have to have a back up plan, and Wes isn't that guy.

That doesn't change that Trae likely position of the future here and professionally is at the 2, but it's more me saying we need to atleast have a back up in place if he doesn't improve.

As ZJC said he was top 4 this year. If he doesn't improve at all in the off season too 4 may not be good enough for us to be a great team. Then again he may improve and be a top 2 Pg.

You just don't know, and that's why I say it'd be a goo idea to have a backup.
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My biggest thing is the day we had that huge argument about him, you were going crazy in defending him, and was having none of, we need another PG. You said several times that he is our best option, and will be our best option, and that we don't need to go after anybody else. You words were along the lines of, why should we go after a top PG with us having a good one coming in 13. That, this is Trae's position. But now you think the team is limited with him at the point. Just not following along.
 
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VolsFan4Ever-11 said:
My biggest thing is the day we had that huge argument about him, you were going crazy in defending him, and was having none of, we need another PG. You said several times that he is our best option, and will be our best option, and that we don't need to go after anybody else. You words were along the lines of, why should we go after a top PG with us having a good one coming in 13. That, this is Trae's position. But now you think the team is limited with him at the point. Just not following along.
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Please quote where I ever sai if we can bring in an elite PG we shouldn't and that trae should play PG over anyone???

As I've said I'm one of his biggest supporters, I'm simply pointing out that a viable back up is probably a good idea.

Once agin, If you can quote where you mention bringing in a top juco guy to replace him and me shooting it down then you'll have a point.

In fact, if you go in the recruiting news sticky an go back about 15 pages I'm begging fr Fabyon to come here. I was calling it belie anyone knew who the guy was and was begging for him to come in.

It's a simple theory really. The guy is a game changer, actually a team changer. That's like having te chane to say add a guy like Noels. Well we have 2 very good post guys, why add an elite post prospect? Very simple. He's a game changer and you make a spot for him on your roster.

IMO adding Fabyon to this team makes us elite 8 good next year, or this year IMO.
 
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Here you say his future is at UT.


bleedingTNorange said:
That is doing a damn good job at it. His future in college and professionally is at the 1, get used to seeing him play point.
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Here you say Golden is here to stay.
bleedingTNorange said:
Bingo!

Complaining is doing nobody any good, whether they wanna admit it he's a top 5 PG in the sec and maybe top 3 as a sophomore.

He's There to stay.
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you do realize this guys numbers are pretty much right on par with the best PG in the SEC this year???

This is you saying why would you recruit the for the PG position.

bleedingTNorange said:
why would you want to recruit the position? you have a guy in golden who has 2 years left and is proving to be a great PG for us. we have a guy coming in in '13 that we feel will be another great PG for us, more of a true PG. so why recruit someone for basically just the '12 season, in which trae is going to be the PG anyways?
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And once again nowhere do I say of you hav a chance at an elite talent guy do you pass on him.

In any regard, we need a back up PG at a minimum, can you argue that?

And do I ever say that we don't need a backup?

When I said there's no point in recruiting someone just for '12, that's talking about recruiting a HS guy not a juco.

Also, if we do bring in Fabyon expect Wes or atleast someone else to leave, therefore you're not wasting a scholarship since one will be freeing up.

As I said in an above post, that's like saying do you sign nerlin noels even though you have maymon and stokes??! Well hell yea you do, he immediately makes you better. That's not hating on maymon or stokes or saying their position isn't at PF/C, it simply improving the team.

Goldens position professionally will always remain PG, mayb a little combo every once in awhile, so that doesn't even need to be addresses.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
And once again nowhere do I say of you hav a chance at an elite talent guy do you pass on him.

In any regard, we need a back up PG at a minimum, can you argue that?

And do I ever say that we don't need a backup?

When I said there's no point in recruiting someone just for '12, that's talking about recruiting a HS guy not a juco.

Also, if we do bring in Fabyon expect Wes or atleast someone else to leave, therefore you're not wasting a scholarship since one will be freeing up.

As I said in an above post, that's like saying do you sign nerlin noels even though you have maymon and stokes??! Well hell yea you do, he immediately makes you better. That's not hating on maymon or stokes or saying their position isn't at PF/C, it simply improving the team.

Goldens position professionally will always remain PG, mayb a little combo every once in awhile, so that doesn't even need to be addresses.
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But it that one post you say why would you recruit for just the 12 season. We do need a backup at least though.
 
#67
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As I've said, if at the time of that argument you said hey you can add d rose as your PG, you still want trae at PG? I would have changed my tune.

Fabyon isn't a guy that comes along every year and have a real shot at, and at the time of our discussion we didn't appear to really be in on.

Now knowing that we are very serious in his recruitment, my tune changes a bit. If you can add an elite guy to any position then you change your tune.

As I've said, you probably are happy with maymon and stokes, that doesn't mean if Noel's wanted to come here you wouldn't change things up and make room.
 
#68
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My biggest thing is that there for a while we anybody said that we needed a true PG, and to move Golden to the 2, you would jump down their throats. But now you're concerned if he doesn't progress more.
 
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VolsFan4Ever-11 said:
You said in that one thread, that I quoted you in, that why would you recruit for the 12 season.
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It was more in reference to recruiting a hs player, I don't remember you mentioning a juco guy.

Also, as I've said if we sign a juco pg, it's most likely Wes is gone so you are just swapping scholarships and not wasting one for the 13' class.
 
#70
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VolsFan4Ever-11 said:
My biggest thing is that there for a while we anybody said that we needed a true PG, and to move Golden to the 2, you would jump down their throats. But now you're concerned if he doesn't progress more.
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I think you're missing what I'm saying.

I wouldn't take just any true type of PG an bring them in.

I'm talking about this guy, Fabyon Harris, he's an elite team changer player.

As I've said now too many times, you probably are fine with our post but that doesn't mean if nerlin Noel's wanted to come here you'd turn it down. He's an elite talent and you make room for those guys no matter who you have at that position.
 
#71
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bleedingTNorange said:
I think you're missing what I'm saying.

I wouldn't take just any true type of PG an bring them in.

I'm talking about this guy, Fabyon Harris, he's an elite team changer player.

As I've said now too many times, you probably are fine with our post but that doesn't mean if nerlin Noel's wanted to come here you'd turn it down. He's an elite talent and you make room for those guys no matter who you have at that position.
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I agree, but it still doesn't take away from my point of you jumping down people's throats, but now you're concerned about him progressing more. That's my main thing.
 
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VolsFan4Ever-11 said:
I agree, but it still doesn't take away from my point of you jumping down people's throats, but now you're concerned about him progressing more. That's my main thing.
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I'm not really concerned with him progressing maybe I mis worded that. He could be the exact same and still be a good PG and we could be a good team...

What I should have said is...

In order for us to be a great team trae needs to improve his game. If he is unable to or of he was to suffer injury we have nobody on this team capable of een stepping in. Adding Fabyon should be a priority of this staff because it could really make this a great team. It could push Trae to improve and if he doesn't improve will provide us with another option...

Is that better?

As I've said, I'm not saying add just anybody, because trae isn't an anybody type of PG, he's a top 4 SEC PG.

So the only reasonable PG addition Wouk have to be someone equal or better than Trae. Fabyon fits that's mold. He would atleast push trae and hopefully make him better, and I he didnt make trae better would be as good an option as well.
Make sense?
 
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#73
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bleedingTNorange said:
I'm not really concerned with him progressing maybe I mis worded that. He could be the exact same and still be a good PG and we could be a good team...

What I should have said is...

In order for us to be a great team trae needs to improve his game. If he is unable to or of he was to suffer injury we have nobody on this team capable of een stepping in. Adding Fabyon should be a priority of this staff because it could really make this a great team. It could push Trae to improve and if he doesn't improve will provide us with another option...

Is that better?
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That's a lot better. I was just not following you for a while (especially since you've been so high on him all season till now)
 
#74
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VolsFan4Ever-11 said:
That's a lot better. I was just not following you for a while (especially since you've been so high on him all season till now)
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I'm still very high on trae that hasn't changed, I'm just saying this guy should be a priority.

As ive said...are you high in maymon/stokes? Yes.

Does that mean you wouldn't want to add Noel's to this team? No

It's no different. Both these guys are team changers and both are guys you simply make room for.
 
#75
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bleedingTNorange said:
I'm still very high on trae that hasn't changed, I'm just saying this guy should be a priority.

As ive said...are you high in maymon/stokes? Yes.

Does that mean you wouldn't want to add Noel's to this team? No

It's no different. Both these guys are team changers and both are guys you simply make room for.
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I'm not arguing that at all, of course we need the elite players like them. My point of all this was your original post, and they way you had defended Golden when somebody would say something. Nothing more than that really/
 
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