'14 JUCO LB Chris Weatherd (UT Signee 2/5/14)

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LebanonVolunteer said:
While I would love to have Chris in Orange, if he is not willing to do the work in the classroom to meet the MINIMUM requirements to play at Tennessee, it's his own fault.
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Always a ray of sunshine. You could root for the kid, since he us trying and did give us his commitment. Not everyone spends all day on numbers like you LV.
 
#2,628
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Tennessee Golfer said:
How the heck can you not make a 2.5 in JUCO? You have to not even try.
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I would say a majority of the JUCO's that have come through Tennessee in the last 10-15 years did not have a 2.5 GPA.

Cordarrelle Patterson wasn't close. He had to take summer school classes to graduate with a 2.0.
 
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Serpent710 said:
Went to juco for 2 years to get my AA and then transferred to a university which I just graduated from. Juco was harder.. First 2 years is all math, chem, bio etc. (core classes) when I got to university being a sport management major it was cake. Get through the first 2 and it's smooth sailing.
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As an accounting major I disagree with this, and I am sure a lot of other people do too.
 
#2,633
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Don't like when the NCAA changes rules midstream. If they want the GPAs up to a 2.5, they should have took a more gradual approach and bumped it up to 2.25 for 2 years then 2.5.
 
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holdemvol said:
Per Doug Matthews the GPA requirement for juco kids has been raised from a 2.0 to a 2.5 and he seems to think it is a long shot at this point for the kid to make it in. FWIW.
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Per Hubbs, it sounds like Doug Matthews could be wrong. Sounds like Chris is on course to get in provided he has a solid 1st session of summer classes.
 
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#2,637
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This is a prime example of why Tennessee should get OUT of the JuCo market. This university seriously sucks at it.
 
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The roster CBJ was left with didn't leave him that luxury. He has to look closely at JUCOs to avoid starting the youngest team in the history of the SEC.
 
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lilesrt said:
This is a prime example of why Tennessee should get OUT of the JuCo market. This university seriously sucks at it.
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Cordarelle Patterson made up for a lot of failures. So good, he only needed one year here. If he had two years here, he'd be a legend. I can't imagine how disgusting it would have been to watch Dooley's final year without CP.

Von Pearson has the potential to be another stud out of the JUCO's.
 
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nicksjuzunk said:
Cordarelle Patterson made up for a lot of failures. So good, he only needed one year here. If he had two years here, he'd be a legend. I can't imagine how disgusting it would have been to watch Dooley's final year without CP.

Von Pearson has the potential to be another stud out of the JUCO's.
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Juco recruiting has it's good and bad much like anything else. There is usually a clear reason why a kid ended up at a Juco vs qualifying right from HS. While pointing out CP as a positive for his 1 year on the field, most had said he could not have returned for another year even if he had wanted to do so. Jucos are always a roll of the dice. UT has hit on some and missed badly on some. I do agree with Ron that it would be a bad idea to just stop recruiting/signing jucos altogether. The coaches just have to be a bit more selective in who they take. When a kid was supposed to be an EE, then around May, now he is looking at additional summer school work, it's not looking very good at all. This usually does not play out well.
 
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It is fine taking a couple a year. But like in basketball, I don't agree with building a program around taking JUCO's. Basketball and football are different with numbers, but a good program spends a year or two grooming good high school talent. Saban will certainly take good JUCO's, but he mainly does on the lines and not at the skilled positions. I don't think LSU or even Georgia take many at all because they just keep grooming talent. Butch had to go that route to fill holes, but I am not a believer in taking alot of JUCO's. JMO.
 
#2,645
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I would think that there would be a set of provisions that would allow for Recruits like Weatherd and others to be Grandfathered into based on old standards.

He was recruited under the old rules. Not sure what his GPA was when recruited, but if he was signed under the old rules and the University used a scholarship for him then an exception should allow him to attend school here under the previous requirements.

For example, raising a grade point average from 1.9 to 2.0 is easier to accomplish in a semester than raising a grade point average from 1.9 to 2.5. UT may not have recruited him or offered him a scholarship if they knew that he had to raise it .6 points.

Furthermore, If they graduate from an accredited JUCo then why the fuss if they meet all the core requirements and maintain a GPA that is acceptable.

Different environments produce different results and the Adjustments that a Student Athlete makes his first year in college is overwhelming. Mistakes are going to be made.

The NCAA penalizes them for going the JUCO route not always by their choice, but does nothing to ensure their success.

I don't think the NCAA can project the failure or success of an Athlete with a change of environment.

However if the rules dictate that a HS athlete go to JUCO then they owe it to that kid to ensure that he will make the next level of competition providing he is putting in the effort to do so versus throwing him into the water and stating "sink or swim" because I not throwing you a life vest and if you swim I might make you tread water for a while, Sorry.

Just another example of how the NCAA programs student athletes for failure versus protecting them.

They don't fix problems they create them.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
I would think that there would be a set of provisions that would allow for Recruits like Weatherd and others to be Grandfathered into based on old standards.

He was recruited under the old rules. Not sure what his GPA was when recruited, but if he was signed under the old rules and the University used a scholarship for him then an exception should allow him to attend school here under the previous requirements.

For example, raising a grade point average from 1.9 to 2.0 is easier to accomplish in a semester than raising a grade point average from 1.9 to 2.5. UT may not have recruited him or offered him a scholarship if they knew that he had to raise it .6 points.

Furthermore, If they graduate from an accredited JUCo then why the fuss if they meet all the core requirements and maintain a GPA that is acceptable.

Different environments produce different results and the Adjustments that a Student Athlete makes his first year in college is overwhelming. Mistakes are going to be made.

The NCAA penalizes them for going the JUCO route not always by their choice, but does nothing to ensure their success.

I don't think the NCAA can project the failure or success of an Athlete with a change of environment.

However if the rules dictate that a HS athlete go to JUCO then they owe it to that kid to ensure that he will make the next level of competition providing he is putting in the effort to do so versus throwing him into the water and stating "sink or swim" because I not throwing you a life vest and if you swim I might make you tread water for a while, Sorry.

Just another example of how the NCAA programs student athletes for failure versus protecting them.

They don't fix problems they create them.
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Lots of line breaks ... and lots of truth. The NCAA is a joke.
 
#2,647
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sorry about the line breaks used it because it was a bunch of bullet points. I hate the NCAA because they don't govern, it's an ala carta organization that makes money and doesn't do enough for the student athlete to ensure their success.

Investigations by the NCAA are a farce. They are bias and most investigations are generated or based on an irresponsible reporter trying to make a name for themselves or a magazine. NCAA Investigative Agency = Sports Reporters, ESPN, Yahoo, CBS, SI.

What's more, Their rulings are unequal and some are never pursued, nor punished equally. Think about it, tell the truth and admit to a rule violation, you get nailed or lie to them you get nailed. Threaten to battle them with a team of lawyers and they let it slide.

There is zero consistency in anything the NCAA does, yet they make Money at the expense of the Student Athlete of which they are suppose to protect. All that said the Student Athlete does have to meet the standards, but the NCAA keeps Changing it at the Athlete's expense.

Sounds like Congress, doesn't it?
 
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#2,648
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Wow this sucks. Didn't think there were any more worries with Chris qualifying. Hope this works itself out because he's one of the players I'm most excited about. Things always have a way of working out and hopefully this will work out the way we all want it.
 
#2,649
#2,649
If he signed before the rule went into affect, then it should be a no-brainer and the NCAA should honor the Scholarship and acceptance.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
If he signed before the rule went into affect, then it should be a no-brainer and the NCAA should honor the Scholarship and acceptance.
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He didn't sign before anything went into place. The rule change was enacted in 2012, before Chris Weatherd was ever in junior college.

I still think he makes it in, but if he doesn't, it is no ones fault but his own.
 
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