14' Legacy Class vs Utah State

#52
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ImportedVoL said:
Utah St is not worthy to clean our stadium after a game..

people worried about them because of their win total last year when they didn't play anyone.

This is a scrub team with scrub players and scrub fans..

And the Vols will be Scrubbing their remains off of their cleats after the game.

And that's if we are even able to call it a game when it is said and done.
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last years wins:
2-10 Record FCS foe Weber State
2-10 Air Force
1-11 Hawaii
6-6 SJSU
5-7 Wyoming
6-6 UNLV ( by the skin of their teeth)
3-9 New Mexico
8-6 CSU
12-2 NIU (Who was overrated and got hammered by Bowling Green the week before)


obviously we didnt beat anyone except for Carolina but anybody would have been successful playing these listed teams in 2013.
 
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WilliamDuVOL said:
Madmartigan has always been a very level headed, respectful poster. :)

I'll break it down piece by piece to tell my opinion:

RBs: UT

I'd give us the advantage here based on the players alone, line play excluded. With Lane's overall experience, Hurd's combination of elusiveness, explosiveness, size, and speed, and the potential Derrell Scott has to be a secret weapon.

WRs: UT

Once again, advantage us. Almost all of them will be bigger, taller, and faster than USUs secondary. Croom is massive, North has incredible potential after only a freshman season, and Von Pearson is being toughted as a potential x factor for us with his freakish athleticism, Malone is unproven but already has shown signs of greatness after a standout spring game, and that's just scratching the surface. QB play could limit this though.

TEs: UT/USU

I'll call this a draw based on lack of knowledge of USUs TEs honestly. We have two big bodied, athletic freshman, one who can already make one handed catches, but I don't know enough about USUs.

QB: USU

USU all the way. Keeton is potential NFL material and a great QB. Short of an incredible turnaround in one of our QBs this is one of USUs strongest advantages.

O/D Line: USU

To keep this post short I'll condense this as I give the advantage here on both sides of the ball to USU. They have the experience advantage, we are the unknown. It could be even but it may not be. It's too early to tell.

LBs: USU

We have some great linebackers, but despite AJ Johnson, USU has 2 LBs that made the same watch list as him, and Maggitt is being considered to play mainly with his hand in the dirt it seems, but still may play LB. Slight advantage USU here.

Secondary: UT

I have to give this advantage to UT based on the lineups and overall skill. Brian Randolph and Cam Sutton are both poised to have breakout seasons and are on a watch list for best secondary player of the year. This will be one of our best defensive strengths in my opinion.

Martigan, or any USU/UT fan reading this, feel free to weigh in. :)
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I disagree on the following points:

TE: UT Wolf/Helm & Branisel are better

LB: At least even, I'll take AJ, JRM and perhaps Bates over USUs big two any day.

OL/DL: UT, USU lost almost as many starters on lines as UT. Our replacements are better.

Special Teams: Push, UT is bringing in great talent but lacks experience. We have much more speed on special teams.
 
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WilliamDuVOL said:
Madmartigan has always been a very level headed, respectful poster. :)

I'll break it down piece by piece to tell my opinion:

RBs: UT

I'd give us the advantage here based on the players alone, line play excluded. With Lane's overall experience, Hurd's combination of elusiveness, explosiveness, size, and speed, and the potential Derrell Scott has to be a secret weapon.

WRs: UT

Once again, advantage us. Almost all of them will be bigger, taller, and faster than USUs secondary. Croom is massive, North has incredible potential after only a freshman season, and Von Pearson is being toughted as a potential x factor for us with his freakish athleticism, Malone is unproven but already has shown signs of greatness after a standout spring game, and that's just scratching the surface. QB play could limit this though.

TEs: UT/USU

I'll call this a draw based on lack of knowledge of USUs TEs honestly. We have two big bodied, athletic freshman, one who can already make one handed catches, but I don't know enough about USUs.

QB: USU

USU all the way. Keeton is potential NFL material and a great QB. Short of an incredible turnaround in one of our QBs this is one of USUs strongest advantages.

O/D Line: USU

To keep this post short I'll condense this as I give the advantage here on both sides of the ball to USU. They have the experience advantage, we are the unknown. It could be even but it may not be. It's too early to tell.

LBs: USU

We have some great linebackers, but despite AJ Johnson, USU has 2 LBs that made the same watch list as him, and Maggitt is being considered to play mainly with his hand in the dirt it seems, but still may play LB. Slight advantage USU here.

Secondary: UT

I have to give this advantage to UT based on the lineups and overall skill. Brian Randolph and Cam Sutton are both poised to have breakout seasons and are on a watch list for best secondary player of the year. This will be one of our best defensive strengths in my opinion.

Martigan, or any USU/UT fan reading this, feel free to weigh in. :)
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Who has the special teams advantage in your opinion?
 
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WilliamDuVOL said:
Madmartigan has always been a very level headed, respectful poster. :)

I'll break it down piece by piece to tell my opinion:

RBs: UT

I'd give us the advantage here based on the players alone, line play excluded. With Lane's overall experience, Hurd's combination of elusiveness, explosiveness, size, and speed, and the potential Derrell Scott has to be a secret weapon.

WRs: UT

Once again, advantage us. Almost all of them will be bigger, taller, and faster than USUs secondary. Croom is massive, North has incredible potential after only a freshman season, and Von Pearson is being toughted as a potential x factor for us with his freakish athleticism, Malone is unproven but already has shown signs of greatness after a standout spring game, and that's just scratching the surface. QB play could limit this though.

TEs: UT/USU

I'll call this a draw based on lack of knowledge of USUs TEs honestly. We have two big bodied, athletic freshman, one who can already make one handed catches, but I don't know enough about USUs.

QB: USU

USU all the way. Keeton is potential NFL material and a great QB. Short of an incredible turnaround in one of our QBs this is one of USUs strongest advantages.

O/D Line: USU

To keep this post short I'll condense this as I give the advantage here on both sides of the ball to USU. They have the experience advantage, we are the unknown. It could be even but it may not be. It's too early to tell.

LBs: USU

We have some great linebackers, but despite AJ Johnson, USU has 2 LBs that made the same watch list as him, and Maggitt is being considered to play mainly with his hand in the dirt it seems, but still may play LB. Slight advantage USU here.

Secondary: UT

I have to give this advantage to UT based on the lineups and overall skill. Brian Randolph and Cam Sutton are both poised to have breakout seasons and are on a watch list for best secondary player of the year. This will be one of our best defensive strengths in my opinion.

Martigan, or any USU/UT fan reading this, feel free to weigh in. :)
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Pretty spot on excepting TE. I think your TE will be better. Ours are nothing to write home about and haven't been for quite some time.
 
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RiseToTheTop said:
last years wins:
2-10 Record FCS foe Weber State
2-10 Air Force
1-11 Hawaii
6-6 SJSU
5-7 Wyoming
6-6 UNLV ( by the skin of their teeth)
3-9 New Mexico
8-6 CSU
12-2 NIU (Who was overrated and got hammered by Bowling Green the week before)


obviously we didnt beat anyone except for Carolina but anybody would have been successful playing these listed teams in 2013.
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Since you seem to downplay any win we had last season, how did we manage to beat CSU? Add your parenthesis for them as well.
 
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HuntlandVolinColo said:
I disagree on the following points:

TE: UT Wolf/Helm & Branisel are better

LB: At least even, I'll take AJ, JRM and perhaps Bates over USUs big two any day.

OL/DL: UT, USU lost almost as many starters on lines as UT. Our replacements are better.

Special Teams: Push, UT is bringing in great talent but lacks experience. We have much more speed on special teams.
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i agree. Our OL are still better. 3 have been together for 4 years and were pretty highly touted themselves. And the other two while inexperienced are more talented. Their O Line was terrible last yr and the second teamers still couldnt crack a rotation. Marcus Jackson could have played on a handful of SEC O Line last yr. People forget how good he was. He just didnt have to play because we had 3-4 NFL player son our line and an older guy at his Left Guard spot. While not as gifted as last yrs Linemen this group is probably meaner.
 
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Madmartigan said:
Since you seem to downplay any win we had last season, how did we manage to beat CSU? Add your parenthesis for them as well.
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CSU was a defensive struggle all day. Windy day that was either 3-0 at the half or 0-0. cant remember. It was ugly offensively from both sides. USU won it in the second half but CSU 245lb DEs killed your tackles most of the day. CSU missed a FG in the first half from about 20 yards because of the crazy wind if i remember correctly. Theres was about 15k in the seats.
 
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Am I correct on this one:
LAST opening game HOME Loss
1983 versus Pitt
Tied UCLA in 1985.
 
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RiseToTheTop said:
CSU was a defensive struggle all day. Windy day that was either 3-0 at the half or 0-0. cant remember. It was ugly offensively from both sides. USU won it in the second half but CSU 245lb DEs killed your tackles most of the day. CSU missed a FG in the first half from about 20 yards because of the crazy wind if i remember correctly. Theres was about 15k in the seats.
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I was at the game. More like 18 k in the seats with reported attendance with 20 k reported. Good synopsis though Natureboy. In fairness just about everybody pushed our our tackles last year haha.
 
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#62
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We blow these guys off the field.

This is a replay of WKU last year, NC State in 2012, Cincinatti in 2011, and on and on.

The fans talk up the opponent, say UT is down, blah blah. We win on significant talent advantage, period.

USU almost picked off some great teams because those teams probably didn't give them enough respect. I think Butch Jones and team are giving them the right amount of respect. And we'll blow off the field because of it.
 
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Anyone who thinks we blow USU out is just prone to wishful thinking, and blind homerism. I watched USU play Auburn a few years ago and they were every bit a physical match for Auburn. Was Auburn up for that game? IDK but if not they learned a valuable lesson by escaping with a win. USU is a good program, and deserves respect.

IDK how this will go. It all depends on matchups. If our OL can hold its own and let our playmakers make plays we could score several points. With that said we will have to be much better defensively just to be average. An average defense could win us 6 games this year, if the offense is much improved.

Other words we will need to be better to win this one. I would like to see a Cincy type blowout to start the year, but I will believe that when I see it.

As a Vol homer I gotta pick the Orange to win, but I suspect it will be a 28-24 type game.
 
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InspectorVol said:
Anyone who thinks we blow USU out is just prone to wishful thinking, and blind homerism. I watched USU play Auburn a few years ago and they were every bit a physical match for Auburn. Was Auburn up for that game? IDK but if not they learned a valuable lesson by escaping with a win. USU is a good program, and deserves respect.

IDK how this will go. It all depends on matchups. If our OL can hold its own and let our playmakers make plays we could score several points. With that said we will have to be much better defensively just to be average. An average defense could win us 6 games this year, if the offense is much improved.

Other words we will need to be better to win this one. I would like to see a Cincy type blowout to start the year, but I will believe that when I see it.

As a Vol homer I gotta pick the Orange to win, but I suspect it will be a 28-24 type game.
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that was in 2011. its not even the same team as last year.
 
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Madmartigan said:
You have a very quantitative mind and I respect that. I think some times you only look at certain numbers and get tunnel vision on one number alone. Sheer numbers of people in a stadium don't define how hard it is to play there. Ask UT players how loud Autzen was. Autzen holds 53,800 people 50 k or so fewer than Neyland. I would wager Autzen is one of the loudest and most intimidating in the country, and most "rank the loudest stadium" publications would agree with me.

NCAA.com ranks top five loudest college football stadiums and two are in the SEC | AL.com (notice Camp Randall in this one and Neyland not)

The 10 Loudest Stadiums in College Football | Bleacher Report (notice Camp Randall above Neyland in this one)

Ranking College Football's Top 25 Uniforms | AthlonSports.com (Neyland wins in this one)

Y! SPORTS (Camp Randall and Jordan Hare above Neyland in this one)

Other factors that can affect a venue/fans: recent successful winning seasons (national championship, rose bowl etc). How close is the field to the fans? How rabid are the fans? I am not downplaying Neyland at all, I just don't think you can weigh it on numbers alone and despite the numbers differences between Jordan Hare, Camp Randall and Neyland I think the noise levels will be comparable to Neyland.

My main points to this ramble: 1.Neyland is a very difficult place to play, comparable to Camp Randall and Jordan Hare, despite the difference in numbers, corroborated by the previous publications. 2. Sheer numbers in the stadium are simply A factor to how hard it is to play in that place, not THE only factor.

End ramble.
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I'm not going to push this point too hard for two reasons, 1) I want you to see it for yourself without too much color from me, and 2) I doubt you will see Neyland at its best.

Beyond that, subjective unscientific articles are subjective and unscientific. Take that for what it's worth.

I hope you enjoy the game and atmosphere.
 
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I think in other years we would typically overlook these guys, but with all the coverage they're getting in regards to playing us I think we show up ready to bring it.
 
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InspectorVol said:
Anyone who thinks we blow USU out is just prone to wishful thinking, and blind homerism. I watched USU play Auburn a few years ago and they were every bit a physical match for Auburn. Was Auburn up for that game? IDK but if not they learned a valuable lesson by escaping with a win. USU is a good program, and deserves respect.

IDK how this will go. It all depends on matchups. If our OL can hold its own and let our playmakers make plays we could score several points. With that said we will have to be much better defensively just to be average. An average defense could win us 6 games this year, if the offense is much improved.

Other words we will need to be better to win this one. I would like to see a Cincy type blowout to start the year, but I will believe that when I see it.

As a Vol homer I gotta pick the Orange to win, but I suspect it will be a 28-24 type game.
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Blind Homerism? I can't see you Marge! Mmmmmm, beer.
 
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This opening game will be a bigger lop-sided win than the NC State game, the Cincinnati game and either of the WKU games. It will be much ado about nothing.
 
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