'14 NC RB Derrell Scott (UT Signee 2/5/14)

[BruinVol]

Bruin ... I saw a post in another thread about a 'ban bet' you made. Who did you bet and what was it for?

Lol.

Everytime I answer this it gets more embarrassing


I bet "myself" that thomas and Mosley wouldn't both be Vols in NSD.

This was before blue shirting, loopholes, and lambert. I didn't think the numbers would allow.

Anyway pretty darn stupid

 

[Mike4Vols]

Lol.

Everytime I answer this it gets more embarrassing


I bet "myself" that thomas and Mosley wouldn't both be Vols in NSD.

This was before blue shirting, loopholes, and lambert. I didn't think the numbers would allow.

Anyway pretty darn stupid

Ahh. Yea. Not your best moment.

I would never make a ban bet with recruiting. Too damn fickle and fluid. Plus, it implies you have all the information the coaches have. And NONE of us do --- not even our resident 'experts'.

 

[sjt18]

2013 C-
2014 B
2015 A(this is when match issues will be supreme for our competitors)

You are too generous with last year's performance. D at best. They KILLED the QB's. The play was so poor that I honestly don't think we know what we have at QB. I think Dobbs and Worley are BOTH significantly better than their numbers because of the problems at WR.

The two future grades depend on Azzani doing a better job going forward.

 

[BruinVol]

You are too generous with last year's performance. D at best. They KILLED the QB's. The play was so poor that I honestly don't think we know what we have at QB. I think Dobbs and Worley are BOTH significantly better than their numbers because of the problems at WR.

The two future grades depend on Azzani doing a better job going forward.

I am with you on ZA. It was the only hire I didn't care for from the start.

Not much difference between a D and a C-

 

[KnoxVillain]

Lol.

Everytime I answer this it gets more embarrassing


I bet "myself" that thomas and Mosley wouldn't both be Vols in NSD.

This was before blue shirting, loopholes, and lambert. I didn't think the numbers would allow.

Anyway pretty darn stupid

Why would you hold yourself to that? You're just going to come back with a new account anyway. It was a dumb bet but you don't owe anyone anything because you bet yourself. I think you can welch on a bet to yourself.

 

[DaddyChad]

You are too generous with last year's performance. D at best. They KILLED the QB's. The play was so poor that I honestly don't think we know what we have at QB. I think Dobbs and Worley are BOTH significantly better than their numbers because of the problems at WR.

The two future grades depend on Azzani doing a better job going forward.

You need to have talent to coach it up. I think a certain true freshman WR worked out pretty well. Honestly IDK how you can evaluate coaching at this point with the lack of decent players that fit the current system.

 

[unioncityvol]

North, pig, and Pearson have played plenty of college football to expect good things from them.


I expect smith to be a factor next year as well.

Malone and our other true freshmen will show flashes of great potential.

All in all I expect a very nice jump from last year.

2013 C-
2014 B
2015 A(this is when match issues will be supreme for our competitors)

True Brew True

 

[BruinVol]

Why would you hold yourself to that? You're just going to come back with a new account anyway. It was a dumb bet but you don't owe anyone anything because you bet yourself. I think you can welch on a bet to yourself.

I am the kind of guy that isn't afraid to draw a line in the sand and stand by it for others. Got to do the same for myself

 

[sjt18]

No... And anyone who thinks those comparisons are the same.... They're not too bright

Who isn't bright? Me for pointing out that some of the same people or same types of people were making the same kinds of glowing predictions about the group I listed?

The "comparison" IS the same if you understand what is being compared. I am not comparing the players. I AM comparing the rosy predictions about new signees' ability to immediately contribute that we see every year.

Just because I like to razz the guy a little... a long time poster here just a few years ago got VERY angry with me for telling him that Lane wasn't going to come in as a Fr and knock Poole out of his job coming off a 1000 yd season. He called me "not too bright" or something like that.

Lane is now a rising senior... has never started... has never ran for over 1000 yds.... and many here have now dismissed him in favor of newcomers.

 

[sjt18]

You need to have talent to coach it up. I think a certain true freshman WR worked out pretty well. Honestly IDK how you can evaluate coaching at this point with the lack of decent players that fit the current system.

They had a little talent. They even had a guy with a little experience in Dallas and chose not to play him. They are not recruiting WR's different than the ones recruited for the last system. In fact, the passing games aren't radically different from Chaney to the current system.

You can evaluate by improvement and what they get out of what they have. Improvement was mostly limited to North.

 

[VolGee4]

They had a little talent. They even had a guy with a little experience in Dallas and chose not to play him. They are not recruiting WR's different than the ones recruited for the last system. In fact, the passing games aren't radically different from Chaney to the current system.

You can evaluate by improvement and what they get out of what they have. Improvement was mostly limited to North.

I am pretty sure they didn't "choose" not to play Dallas. I am sure he just didn't produce. Dallas was not dynamic; he is a possession slot WR and nothing more, and you know a kid's attitude when he quits midseason. But we all know your view on things.

 

[KBVol]

Downs injury may have slowed him down but he has/had both experience and talent. Branisel is also talented.

I am still uncertain about Azzani. Probably more than any other coach on O. Overall, I tend to think the O staff will be successful. I would LOVE to have Baggett coaching this kind of athletic talent.


I don't fall in love with new players or give up on old ones as fast as many of you do. It happens every year here. In the excitement of the new players... folks forget about the excitement they had for the old ones... who still have talent... but have been working their tails off to get their talent ready for the field.

Croom, Bowles, J Smith, etc didn't just stop having talent. They still need to be coached up but they're ahead of the new guys in inexperience, development, and knowledge of the system and process. It is foolish to assume that every player that needs a year or two of preparation before being ready to display their talent is somehow a lost cause.

Not "falling in love" with new players just realizing that Pearson, Malone and Helm are significant talent upgrades from Croom, Smith and Downs.

Bowles didn't/couldn't see the field as a WR last year, why would we expect him to now beat out more talented players? I've heard Swain and Treece, both who regularly attended UT practices last year, basically say that it wasn't and now doesn't appear that Bowles can play here. Who knows? Maybe the light turns on and he shows up this year, but I wouldn't count on it.

I don't share the same optimism about Croom as a lot of guys on here....he's a big, physical specimen who doesn't play physical and has a tendency to drop balls. He's serviceable at this point and nothing I've seen do far leads me to think he'll be anything more.

And while we're on the subject of dropping passes, I've never, ever seen a player, at any level, drop as many passes as Josh Smith dropped. On one level I feel bad for the kid, on another I hope he we have enough kids step up that he never sees Shield-Watkins Field again.

With Malone and Pearson, arguably now the 2 most athletic WRs on our team, being early enrollees and getting the benefit of coming in in January, getting in for Spring practice and summer workouts, I see them leapfrogging most of if not all of the lesser talented WRs who either couldn't see the field last year or who made little to no impact when they played. Guess time will tell.

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

I know.... and erroneously so as a whole. North, Pearson, Malone, Pig and Helm does sound like the nucleus of a very good receiving group. Let's see is Azzani can get em coached up.....he did a poor job with the '13 WRs IMO.

Elder had little to nothing to work with at TE and Helm is a major upgrade....just needs to add about 25lbs and quick.

Once again Pearson, Helm and Malone have never stepped foot on a D-1 field. The problem is y'all build 17 yr olds up so much then when they don't produce it's the coaches fault or the players just don't have it. We've seen about 1 FR WR per year come into the SEC and make an impact and our fanbase expects 2-3 per year off our roster alone.

 

[SCvol333]

Downs injury may have slowed him down but he has/had both experience and talent. Branisel is also talented.

I am still uncertain about Azzani. Probably more than any other coach on O. Overall, I tend to think the O staff will be successful. I would LOVE to have Baggett coaching this kind of athletic talent.


I don't fall in love with new players or give up on old ones as fast as many of you do. It happens every year here. In the excitement of the new players... folks forget about the excitement they had for the old ones... who still have talent... but have been working their tails off to get their talent ready for the field.

Croom, Bowles, J Smith, etc didn't just stop having talent. They still need to be coached up but they're ahead of the new guys in inexperience, development, and knowledge of the system and process. It is foolish to assume that every player that needs a year or two of preparation before being ready to display their talent is somehow a lost cause.

disagree on downs - he has never shown anything to make you think he can play at this level - i would be surprised if a newcomer didnt take a lot of these reps

agree - jury still out on ZA for sure

agree that this happens every year - but we don't typically (or at least not recently) bring in classes like what we have this year

Croom, Bowles, Jsmith did not have the grades of Pearson or Malone - does that mean we should cut em and be done with them - no, of course not - but they weren't as talented as Malone/Pearson coming out and will have to significantly improve to beat them out this Fall - i find it unlikely any of those 3 sees a ton of snaps in the Fall - North/Pig are clearly ahead of them - Malone/Pearson are more talented so think they will jump them as well - i would be shocked if any of these 3 were a top 4 receiver for us next year

 

[SCvol333]

Once again Pearson, Helm and Malone have never stepped foot on a D-1 field. The problem is y'all build 17 yr olds up so much then when they don't produce it's the coaches fault or the players just don't have it. We've seen about 1 FR WR per year come into the SEC and make an impact and our fanbase expects 2-3 per year off our roster alone.

Pearson isnt 17 or a freshman and Helm isnt a WR

I think the projections on Helm are less based on how talented he is and more on how little we have at that position - i mean the only 2 on the roster are out in the spring with ACL's and you don't think the #1 TE in the country who is an EE has a good shot to get the job?

 

[griddie]

Should bowles move to defense.

I give this class an A given coming off the previous 4 seasons

 

[AV_12]

I honestly didn't read your post...

But We recruited Pearson as a Juco for a reason, we didn't have much around North. Pearson and Malone being around North (and Pig) could eventually be elite. Croom and Harris, which you compared, not so much... Which was my point... The comparison really isn't that close.

 

[UNGVol]

I haven't kept up with this thread much at all. Can someone give me brief recap as to why this thread seems to remain at the top for the past few days?

 

[Dust10]

I haven't kept up with this thread much at all. Can someone give me brief recap as to why this thread seems to remain at the top for the past few days?

We are in it big time and there don't seem to be other viable rb candidates on Scott's level.

 

[BruinVol]

We are in it big time and there don't seem to be other viable rb candidates on Scott's level.

Yep.

The most important remaining thread to follow IMO

 

[KnoxVillain]

I am the kind of guy that isn't afraid to draw a line in the sand and stand by it for others. Got to do the same for myself

So you're never going to come back to this website after signing day? Just save yourself the effort of banning yourself and then later creating a new screenname and returning (a la Ron Swanson).

 

[UNGVol]

We are in it big time and there don't seem to be other viable rb candidates on Scott's level.

Thanks :thumbsup:

 

[Montrell Hardy]

Downs injury may have slowed him down but he has/had both experience and talent. Branisel is also talented.

I am still uncertain about Azzani. Probably more than any other coach on O. Overall, I tend to think the O staff will be successful. I would LOVE to have Baggett coaching this kind of athletic talent.


I don't fall in love with new players or give up on old ones as fast as many of you do. It happens every year here. In the excitement of the new players... folks forget about the excitement they had for the old ones... who still have talent... but have been working their tails off to get their talent ready for the field.

Croom, Bowles, J Smith, etc didn't just stop having talent. They still need to be coached up but they're ahead of the new guys in inexperience, development, and knowledge of the system and process. It is foolish to assume that every player that needs a year or two of preparation before being ready to display their talent is somehow a lost cause.

I stopped reading after Downs has talent. He is the least talented TE that I've ever seen start at Tennessee. He is limited in the passing game, very poor route runner who gets zero separation and he is just horrendous in run blocking. Not sure where you see this talent coming from with him.

This roster Jones inherited was flat out terrible. Far worse than the one Dooley inherited in 2010. People keep pointing to the returning Oline this past year but conveniently fail to mention just how horrible the talent and depth were at every other position outside of the Oline and Dline (which was way too senior heavy and will be a huge weakness next season). I've never seen the WR, TE, QB, DB and LB positions look so awful as they were heading into the 2013 season.

 

[volinexile17]

disagree on downs - he has never shown anything to make you think he can play at this level - i would be surprised if a newcomer didnt take a lot of these reps

agree - jury still out on ZA for sure

agree that this happens every year - but we don't typically (or at least not recently) bring in classes like what we have this year

Croom, Bowles, Jsmith did not have the grades of Pearson or Malone - does that mean we should cut em and be done with them - no, of course not - but they weren't as talented as Malone/Pearson coming out and will have to significantly improve to beat them out this Fall - i find it unlikely any of those 3 sees a ton of snaps in the Fall - North/Pig are clearly ahead of them - Malone/Pearson are more talented so think they will jump them as well - i would be shocked if any of these 3 were a top 4 receiver for us next year

Bowles was a highly rated 4* and an Army AA, IIRC. He's got physical ability. I hope things click for him, because he's supposedly a good guy - think he got taken first during the Volympics draft last spring.

 

[Montrell Hardy]

Yeah... but last year much the same was being said about the potential of that group with Pig, North, Croom, Harris, etc.+

By whom? I dont remember it coming from anyone who mattered or who was close to the program. Croom is and always has been a huge project, everyone from the guys on VQ to the former players who are close to the program said Harris was way overrated coming out of HS..