'14 TN DB Rashaan Gaulden (UT Signee 2/5/14)

[Burger]

Inky also got jacked up during and Air Force game which led to the end of this career. Yeah you are right about all the variables but what happens when you go up against a guy like Mike Davis or Todd Gurley?

Go low. The kid had 20+ tackles during a lot of games, but I would favor a redshirt as well.

 

[nicksjuzunk]

Conversation in here is refreshing

 

[UTProf]

Inky also got jacked up during and Air Force game which led to the end of this career. Yeah you are right about all the variables but what happens when you go up against a guy like Mike Davis or Todd Gurley?

I just recently watched the injury vid (earlier today) and double checked even that due to your comment and if you mean injured by jacked up then I absolutely agree. However, even on that hit he knocked the ever loving manure (Fulmerized for the benefit of VN rules ) out of his opponent and did so all game prior to that injury. In fact, he did so his entire career here.

However, Inky's injury was also a freak injury on a play that very much looks like he should've bounced right back up. If you watch it again (I even slowed it down) it doesn't make sense and the extent of the damage makes no sense whatsoever as even a brutal hit doesn't typically cause that but sometimes freak injuries just happen. You hit at exactly the right spot and it's devastating whereas most of the time harder impacts. Force based impacts that are in the usual spots tend to do very different sorts of damage than Inky's injury. And of course, your own mass adds to the potential damage for more common impact injuries, especially when moving at a higher rate of speed.

Tiny RBs and others are living proof that you don't have to be particularly big to play against very large players and take the hits that go along with it - one of the reasons the little guys tend to bounce right off unless the hit is delivered properly is because they're small.

At any rate, all I'm saying is Rashaan may be ok at a lesser weight until he can add more with time and that I don't think it's something that automatically = red shirt.

 

[GBOVOLS]

I just recently watched the injury vid (earlier today) and double checked even that due to your comment and if you mean injured by jacked up then I absolutely agree. However, even on that hit he knocked the ever loving manure (Fulmerized for the benefit of VN rules ) out of his opponent and did so all game prior to that injury. In fact, he did so his entire career here.

However, Inky's injury was also a freak injury on a play that very much looks like he should've bounced right back up. If you watch it again (I even slowed it down) it doesn't make sense and the extent of the damage makes no sense whatsoever as even a brutal hit doesn't typically cause that but sometimes freak injuries just happen. You hit at exactly the right spot and it's devastating whereas most of the time harder impacts. Force based impacts that are in the usual spots tend to do very different sorts of damage than Inky's injury. And of course, your own mass adds to the potential damage for more common impact injuries, especially when moving at a higher rate of speed.

Tiny RBs and others are living proof that you don't have to be particularly big to play against very large players and take the hits that go along with it - one of the reasons the little guys tend to bounce right off unless the hit is delivered properly is because they're small.

At any rate, all I'm saying is Rashaan may be ok at a lesser weight until he can add more with time and that I don't think it's something that automatically = red shirt.

You also have to take into consideration that those guys are the exception to the rules. They are few and far in between. Until he plays in a game I can only compare him to what the norm is. You have to be cautious cause I would hate to see the kid be like Devon Walker(Tulane).

You honestly use tiny rbs for special situations on the field. They are 3 down players. Now I think he will be good at nickle until he gets a little bigger. As far as safety goes I think the other guys we recruited will be better suited at that position.

 

[VolsDoc81TX]

Inky only weighed a whopping 167 lbs his sophomore year. He showed up at UT just over 150 lbs. Weight isn't the end all be all (speed, angles, proper leverage, where you hit someone, can matter more depending on the circumstances). People tend to forget speed + mass = force and more speed = more force and can often make up for mass.

If Rashaan plays safety I'd like to see him gain some weight but if he's a player then he's a player and I certainly wouldn't hold him back because of weight.

X not + there prof

Velocity x mass = force

:hi:

 

[UTProf]

X not + there prof

Velocity x mass = force

:hi:

Don't you get technical on me! [/Ricky Bobby reference] I was trying to keep it simple

But yeah if you're getting all technical, smechnical, then you're correct about velocity and about me forgetting my x's and +'s and probably the whole dang order of operations at this point.

 

[Vols410]

Agreed on your point, but here's a small error.Momentum = Mass times acceleration. It's the change in velocity, not the velocity itself.

Actually, you're wrong as well.

Momentum = Mass x Velocity
Force = Mass x Acceleration

But who really cares anyway...

 

[VolsDoc81TX]

Don't you get technical on me! [/Ricky Bobby reference] I was trying to keep it simple

But yeah if you're getting all technical, smechnical, then you're correct about velocity.

Was more pointing out multiplication not addition. Calculus and physics were almost my undoing at Tennessee. I have yet to use either one in my profession.

English, all history classes, and even political science have helped me much much more than those two classes.

Happy Father's Day!

 

[UTProf]

Actually, you're wrong as well.

Momentum = Mass x Velocity
Force = Mass x Acceleration

But who really cares anyway...

I'm so damn confused now. I blame VN.

 

[UTProf]

Was more pointing out multiplication not addition. Calculus and physics were almost my undoing at Tennessee. I have yet to use either one in my profession.

English, all history classes, and even political science have helped me much much more than those two classes.

Happy Father's Day!

Heh. I'm lucky I even got that close. I have a tendency to mix up numerical signs as well as x's and +'s (especially if I'm not doing it on paper where I can double check it over and over). I've forgotten so much math I probably couldn't do long division if I had too. I can understand complex math theories (love debating 0) but I can't do algebra - it's messed up.

At any rate Happy Father's Day to you!

 

[Burger]

Actually, you're wrong as well.

Momentum = Mass x Velocity
Force = Mass x Acceleration

But who really cares anyway...

Thanks for the correction.

 

[Burger]

Heh. I'm lucky I even got that close. I have a tendency to mix up numerical signs as well as x's and +'s (especially if I'm not doing it on paper where I can double check it over and over). I've forgotten so much math I probably couldn't do long division if I had too. I can understand complex math theories (love debating 0) but I can't do algebra - it's messed up.

At any rate Happy Father's Day to you!

I'm actually good at algebra and higher math. I bet you can do long division.

 

[UTProf]

I'm actually good at algebra and higher math. I bet you can do long division.

I wouldn't bet much on it if I were you! I never understood why I could teach other students geometry but struggled to work out problems myself, especially algebra. My problem is that I was transposing numbers the longer a problem became: I would think 3 and write 5, think 5 and write 7. I think the length of the problem (more chances to write the number down wrong) is why math went from my favorite/best subject in middle school to something that I couldn't do in HS.

My guess is that I'm what they call "numerically dyslexic" (it's actually a real thing) but I'd never even heard of such a thing until grad school which was way too late for me to get any help with my math woes.

 

[Burger]

I wouldn't bet much on it if I were you! I never understood why I could teach other students geometry but struggled to work out problems myself, especially algebra. My problem is that I was transposing numbers the longer a problem became: I would think 3 and write 5, think 5 and write 7. I think the length of the problem (more chances to write the number down wrong) is why math went from my favorite/best subject in middle school to something that I couldn't do in HS.

My guess is that I'm what they call "numerically dyslexic" (it's actually a real thing) but I'd never even heard of such a thing until grad school which was way too late for me to get any help with my math woes.

I have to double check my work because of what you described. I think most people have it to an extent. The old ig yoi cun raed tuhs thing is exactly what that reminds me of.

 

[UTProf]

I have to double check my work because of what you described. I think most people have it to an extent. The old ig yoi cun raed tuhs thing is exactly what that reminds me of.

If it becomes a problem go to student disability services and get tested. I don't know about where you are but UT's disability services are excellent. I've recommended more than one student have themselves tested (I've seen so much standard dyslexic writing that I can usually recognize it pretty easily - it's weird but it often follows a distinct pattern not exactly like your standard grammar issues). It can really improve performance and it lifts a weight off a lot of students who think they're just dumb to find out that, no they're not dumb, they just have something going on in their brains that is a little different than others.

The numerical form is a bit different though since it tends to show up in math rather than in papers or reading but it wreaks havoc and causes the same issue of students thinking they're just stupid when they're not.

 

[Vols4us]

Conversation in here is refreshing

You just had to go and say that....

 

[UTProf]

You just had to go and say that....

3...2...1... Fight!

Eh just don't see that happening in this thread *knock on wood*. Our only debate is whether or not Rashaan will red shirt if he can't gain weight in time, what position he might play, whether or not he can lay the hits hard enough to take down a big ole RB, and who all is up for the same positions.

 

[The Breakerboy]

If we played 7 on 7 on Saturdays and he didn't have to tackle I would agree with you. If he can't bring down the ball carrier we will have the same issue that we have with McNiel.

Secondly you don't know how good he is at all cause he has yet to play a down of college football. You are the one who proclaim the incoming freshman future all-Americans ever summer.

This is the SEC man most players who start(besides Vandy and UK players) are incredibly talented. Bash me all you want I'm just being logical man a 165lb DB freshman won't fair well against a 210lb rb or wr

Our secondary has had Kentucky level talent in it the past few seasons. What are you looking at. Vandy has had much better players in the secondary the past 3 years. The guys we've been trotting out there can't consistently win 1 on 1 battles. See the difference with a talented freshman like Sutton. He was slight last season and our best player in the secondary by far.

 

[jave36]

Our secondary has had Kentucky level talent in it the past few seasons. What are you looking at. Vandy has had much better players in the secondary the past 3 years. The guys we've been trotting out there can't consistently win 1 on 1 battles. See the difference with a talented freshman like Sutton. He was slight last season and our best player in the secondary by far.

How much did Sutton weigh when he got here?

 

[LouderVol]

How much did Sutton weigh when he got here?

Not sure how much he weighed when he got here but he is only listed at 180 now. A very do-able weight for Gaulden imo

 

[The Breakerboy]

How much did Sutton weigh when he got here?

Listed 180.... He looked slight out there at times too.

 

[Go Fight Win]

Sutton still looks slight tbh

 

[85SugarVol]

How much muscle mass did Mosely gain his first month on campus?

 

[UTProf]

I hope he can make it through practice tackling Hurd . Brandolph and cam have 2 spots locked up. Evan at 195 certainly has a leg up on winning the other corner spot in size and speed. McD and TK are better suited for McNeals safety spot right now. That leaves nickel if he gets playing time this year. I hope he gains weight cause he hits nasty. He will be one helluva beast before Lawson is through with him hopefully.

I meant to respond to this earlier but I'm not quite sure that tackling Hurd should be a measure of how good he is although it would be fantastic if he could take him down without issue. Hurd's about the same size as Derrick Henry (who according to Bama's roster is 6'3' and 238). For reference Jalen's listed on UT'sroster as (6'3' and 221). Hurd's 40 is listed at 4.37 while Henry's is listed at 4.72 and 4.52. Also, I could be wrong but I don't doubt that both have added weight that may not be reflected in their respective roster stats.

Likewise both really enjoy punishing whoever's trying to tackle them. And for Hurd, they've been trying to teach him to be more careful about his body but it's been remarked upon more than once since he's been here and the same is true for Henry.

Per a Bama LB on this spring (there have also been numerous articles on it):

"People are scared to tackle him." Alabama linebacker Reggie Ragland talking about teammate Derrick Henry during spring practice this year.

They're both big boys that are hard as hell to take down, imo. Any speedy RB their size is gonna be difficult to tackle even if you're good at bring others down.

Tide TB Henry atop list of scariest players for 2014

 

[matts42012]

I meant to respond to this earlier but I'm not quite sure that tackling Hurd should be a measure of how good he is although it would be fantastic if he could take him down without issue. Hurd's about the same size as Derrick Henry (who according to Bama's roster is 6'3' and 238). For reference Jalen's listed on UT'sroster as (6'3' and 221). Hurd's 40 is listed at 4.37 while Henry's is listed at 4.72 and 4.52. Also, I could be wrong but I don't doubt that both have added weight that may not be reflected in their respective roster stats.

Likewise both really enjoy punishing whoever's trying to tackle them. And for Hurd, they've been trying to teach him to be more careful about his body but it's been remarked upon more than once since he's been here and the same is true for Henry.

Per a Bama LB on this spring (there have also been numerous articles on it):



They're both big boys that are hard as hell to take down, imo. Any speedy RB their size is gonna be difficult to tackle even if you're good at bring others down.

Tide TB Henry atop list of scariest players for 2014

6'3'' 220 is different then 6'3'' 240. Twenty lbs of muscle. Jalen needs to keep hitting the weights, no doubt about that.