'14 TN DE/TE Derek Barnett (UT Signee 2/5/14)

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CWGvol said:
And we've been trying to tell people this. There will easily be room for around 25
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I agree. VQ has said that after spring ball is over don't be surprised if a handful of guys leave if they don't make the two deep/start. These upperclassmen know the talent level Butch is bringing in and if they don't lock up a spot this spring they likely won't ever. Might as well go somewhere they can play.
 
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Remember this is a two way street. Not everyone who leaves will be "processed." Some will WANT to leave if they don't make the 2 deep as Ron alluded to.
 
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lol we just signed at top 5 class, did anyone expect that this time last yr? Let it go, and see how it plays out. Butch will work it out. Its the least of my worries.
 
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AV_12 said:
lol we just signed at top 5 class, did anyone expect that this time last yr? Let it go, and see how it plays out. Butch will work it out. It the least of my worries.
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I agree. But it seems to be LV's biggest worry and his #1 focus for the next 12 months lol

Another top 5 class coming...
 
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Dust10 said:
Remember this is a two way street. Not everyone who leaves will be "processed." Some will WANT to leave if they don't make the 2 deep as Ron alluded to.
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What happens when kids on the roster some feel should be "moved along to make room" are called into the coaches office and told it may be in their best interest (PT wise) to finish their college football career elsewhere. Then the kid replies, "naw coach, I'm good". "This is the most fun I've had since coming to UT". "I'd rather just finish my time as a Vol, even if that means riding the bench".

:popcorn:
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
What happens when kids on the roster some feel should be "moved along to make room" are called into the coaches office and told it may be in their best interest (PT wise) to finish their college football career elsewhere. Then the kid replies, "naw coach, I'm good". "This is the most fun I've had since coming to UT". "I'd rather just finish my time as a Vol, even if that means riding the bench".

:popcorn:
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It happens at EVERY major program. Kids get over recruited. Better get used to it
 
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wU-Tang Vol said:
It happens at EVERY major program. Kids get over recruited. Better get used to it
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Of course kids get recruited over. Getting recruited over and forced out of the program is very different. I just have a hard time thinking that over a dozen current VFL's will just step aside and leave Tennessee to make room for some other kid.

JMO
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Of course kids get recruited over. Getting recruited over and forced out of the program is very different. I just have a hard time thinking that over a dozen current VFL's will just step aside and leave Tennessee to make room for some other kid.

JMO
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My point is they go hand in hand. If the news kids are bringing the noise, and current players aren't, they're going to get asked to leave the program. The biggest reason kids get asked to leave is for the new, talented kids to take advantage of that shot. They're very much connected

And I wasn't trying to get personal with thatrelax comment. You're a good dude, no doubt. Just don't see how this is an issue. What kid wants to be on a football team when he knows he won't play?
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
What happens when kids on the roster some feel should be "moved along to make room" are called into the coaches office and told it may be in their best interest (PT wise) to finish their college football career elsewhere. Then the kid replies, "naw coach, I'm good". "This is the most fun I've had since coming to UT". "I'd rather just finish my time as a Vol, even if that means riding the bench".

:popcorn:
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Then maybe we say peace out, or maybe we say okay. Who knows?

LebanonVolunteer said:
Of course kids get recruited over. Getting recruited over and forced out of the program is very different. I just have a hard time thinking that over a dozen current VFL's will just step aside and leave Tennessee to make room for some other kid.

JMO
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Is it hard to believe 6 will leave on their own accord and 6 will be "processed"? Doesn't seem impossible to me.
 
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LV...Fact is, you and I don't know what goes on with these kids and coaches. We don't know what is discussed about expectations and possible transfers. But what we do know is that the best players will play, recruiting is on fire, and inevitably some kids just won't make it. That's how life works, not just in cfb.

I highly doubt Butch is going to push a kid out of the program that is doing everything right but still isn't good enough to play and that seems to be your concern. The kids that leave will most likely be kids who quit because they can't handle it, have attitude issues, grade issues, etc...that will just happen naturally. It happens at every program.
 
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Ron Swanson said:
LV...Fact is, you and I don't know what goes on with these kids and coaches. We don't know what is discussed about expectations and possible transfers. But what we do know is that the best players will play, recruiting is on fire, and inevitably some kids just won't make it. That's how life works, not just in cfb.

I highly doubt Butch is going to push a kid out of the program that is doing everything right but still isn't good enough to play and that seems to be your concern. The kids that leave will most likely be kids who quit because they can't handle it, have attitude issues, grade issues, etc...that will just happen naturally. It happens at every program.
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As long as kids who do things right are not "processed" I have no issue with it. Then the negative recruiting aspect does not come into play. How many did we lose this year? I honestly don't recall anymore than 3-4. It is that reason I have a hard time seeing how 12-14 move on before next year.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
As long as kids who do things right are not "processed" I have no issue with it. Then the negative recruiting aspect does not come into play. How many did we lose this year? I honestly don't recall anymore than 3-4. It is that reason I have a hard time seeing how 12-14 move on before next year.
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Would you rather have Justin Coleman's, who is a great, hard working kid..

Or

The Payne's, Gaulden's, TK's, etc.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
As long as kids who do things right are not "processed" I have no issue with it. Then the negative recruiting aspect does not come into play. How many did we lose this year? I honestly don't recall anymore than 3-4. It is that reason I have a hard time seeing how 12-14 move on before next year.
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With the huge jump in competition level coming in it's not impossible to see that many leave. I'm guessing a handful leave after spring, a few more before the season starts and a few more during/after the season.

And if they don't get to the number allowing 25, and only sign 20, that's a good thing. It means we're going to be back even sooner. No reason to sweat it all year is all I'm saying.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Easily huh?

Go ahead and drop on me the list of 12-14 kids who the coaches will "process" out of the program.

Seriously, I'm curious.
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Like others posted most will leave because it's what's best for them if they want to see playing time. The first 2 years are always like this. Then a few may be told as well because there are always some that don't fit a new staffs schemes.
 
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wU-Tang Vol said:
Would you rather have Justin Coleman's, who is a great, hard working kid..

Or

The Payne's, Gaulden's, TK's, etc.
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I feel Justin Coleman has given his all for UT. Have seen nothing reported on him telling me he does not deserve to finish his days as a Vol. If he WANTS to keep being a Vol, in no way do I feel he should be "processed" to make room for kids who may or may not have more talent. Kid is giving his all in practice, making the grades, being a team player, he should be a Vol until he graduates or HE decides to move on. JMO
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
As long as kids who do things right are not "processed" I have no issue with it. Then the negative recruiting aspect does not come into play. How many did we lose this year? I honestly don't recall anymore than 3-4. It is that reason I have a hard time seeing how 12-14 move on before next year.
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I'm not certain of this number, but I think we lost at least nine this past year:

Vincent Dallas
Joseph Ayres
Justin Meredith
Alan Posey
Paul Harris
Tom Smith
Tino Thomas
Christian Harris
Michael L. Williams

Varying reasons and varying degrees of "status" (walk-ons, recruits, etc.).
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
I feel Justin Coleman has given his all for UT. Have seen nothing reported on him telling me he does not deserve to finish his days as a Vol. If he WANTS to keep being a Vol, in no way do I feel he should be "processed" to make room for kids who may or may not have more talent. Kid is giving his all in practice, making the grades, being a team player, he should be a Vol until he graduates or HE decides to move on. JMO
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I understand and think Coleman is a VFL as well. The coaches rely on these kids to keep their job. If they can find a more talented kid, they'll ask the less talented kid to look around, provided we have the depth. It's a business at the end of the day
 
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WriterVol said:
I'm not certain of this number, but I think we lost at least nine this past year:

Vincent Dallas
Joseph Ayres
Justin Meredith
Alan Posey
Paul Harris
Tom Smith
Tino Thomas
Christian Harris
Michael L. Williams

Varying reasons and varying degrees of "status" (walk-ons, recruits, etc.).
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Ok, so more than I thought. A few of those do look to be walk-ons though and would not actually free up a spot. Do we lose/process double that many this year to be able to take a full class of 25 in 2015? I doubt it.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
As long as kids who do things right are not "processed" I have no issue with it. Then the negative recruiting aspect does not come into play. How many did we lose this year? I honestly don't recall anymore than 3-4. It is that reason I have a hard time seeing how 12-14 move on before next year.
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There's no use sweating it because you will never know.

Example: If 4 kids transfer in the spring and 4 more transfer before the start of the year, how do you know they did (or didn't) leave on their own accord? You don't. The information we get from the media and through the university is sparse (at best) or misleading (at worst).

Look at all the kids from other universities going through the same issue right now. We've seen so many lately, I've heard discussion about changing the "instant eligibility rule" for transfers who graduated.

We're not alone in this boat.
 
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Mike4Vols said:
There's no use sweating it because you will never know.

Example: If 4 kids transfer in the spring and 4 more transfer before the start of the year, how do you know they did (or didn't) leave on their own accord? You don't. The information we get from the media and through the university is sparse (at best) or misleading (at worst).

Look at all the kids from other universities going through the same issue right now. We've seen so many lately, I've heard discussion about changing the "instant eligibility rule" for transfers who graduated.

We're not alone in this boat.
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Looking at the 2014 recruiting class #'s for the top 50 classes, 31 of 50 schools took less than 25 kids meaning they did NOT lose/process the max # of kids off their roster to make room for new talent. Not all schools will process their roster so they can take a full class.
 
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