'15 CA QB Sheriron Jones (UT Signee 2/4/15)

[LebanonVolunteer]

It's part of becoming a 10-11 win type of team.

No it isn't. There are probably 10 schools out there who would not pull a shady move like this one this late in the game for every 1 that would. You're cool with UT being that school. I'm not. You feel these moves will lead to wins. I'm saying they won't. Keep signing 3 RBs a class. Sign 3 QBs a class, Sign 14 WRs if you want. End of the day it's going to lead to 6-7 wins, very little development, and a whole lot of transfers.

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

Soooo? Wait UNTIL we win 10-11 before we recruit like we're a 10-11 win team? How are we supposed to get to 10-11 without linear recruiting? :huh:

It's my opinion UT will not get back to winning 10-11 games a year with these types of tactics. It will take another step back before it goes forward. Do I think doing things the right way and signing QD & JJ is the path to winning for UT? I do. Being greedy when you think you have the kids trapped this late in the game IMO will backfire more often than not.

Sign QD& JJ in 2015.

Sign AK and possibly another in 2016 IF AK is cool with it.

IMO that is the path to winning. Over signing positions and losing kids to transfer will NOT have UT back on top anytime soon. What good is it to sign 3 RBs or 3 QBs if within 10 months you don't have but 1 left? How does all that wasted time translate into winning? To me, it doesn't.

 

[Dooby15]

How much of the millions of dollars are the recruits getting?

Some of you guys are just pathetic.

Read my post before you start calling names bud. I didn't say I agree with it, but it is what it is. If other schools are doing it and you're paid to win and compete with those schools then so be it. Being "moral" doesn't win games.

 

[VolInDayton]

No it isn't. There are probably 10 schools out there who would not pull a shady move like this one this late in the game for every 1 that would. You're cool with UT being that school. I'm not. You feel these moves will lead to wins. I'm saying they won't. Keep signing 3 RBs a class. Sign 3 QBs a class, Sign 14 WRs if you want. End of the day it's going to lead to 6-7 wins, very little development, and a whole lot of transfers.

But the transfers don't come from numbers.... And lets just ignore the fact we have 1 serviceable QB on the roster . Also just ignore the complete lack of running backs we currently have. Hurd will be the only returning running back that is SEC caliber (if Scott transfers because of all the running backs we have).

 

[UTFootballFan]

Read my post before you start calling names bud. I didn't say I agree with it, but it is what it is. If other schools are doing it and you're paid to win and compete with those schools then so be it. Being "moral" doesn't win games.

We aren't buds. Justifying something based on what others do is pathetic.

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

But the transfers don't come from numbers.... And lets just ignore the fact we have 1 serviceable QB on the roster . Also just ignore the complete lack of running backs we currently have. Hurd will be the only returning running back that is SEC caliber.

The transfers do come from numbers. Very few starters transfer. I've said it many times. UT can sign 3 RBs in 2014. They can add another 3-4 in 2015. When Hurd and Kamara handle 90% of the load, you'll see a lot of transfers. People are very naïve to think these guys are just going to sit and wait 2-3 year for their turn.

 

[UTFootballFan]

But the transfers don't come from numbers.... And lets just ignore the fact we have 1 serviceable QB on the roster . Also just ignore the complete lack of running backs we currently have. Hurd will be the only returning running back that is SEC caliber (if Scott transfers because of all the running backs we have).

There is still one serviceable qb on the roster even with Jones. Dormady and Jennings have both been told they are the future. Now this at the last minute.

 

[butchna]

It's my opinion UT will not get back to winning 10-11 games a year with these types of tactics. It will take another step back before it goes forward. Do I think doing things the right way and signing QD & JJ is the path to winning for UT? I do. Being greedy when you think you have the kids trapped this late in the game IMO will backfire more often than not.

Sign QD& JJ in 2015.

Sign AK and possibly another in 2016 IF AK is cool with it.

IMO that is the path to winning. Over signing positions and losing kids to transfer will NOT have UT back on top anytime soon. What good is it to sign 3 RBs or 3 QBs if within 10 months you don't have but 1 left? How does all that wasted time translate into winning? To me, it doesn't.

Being 100% nice and aboveboard works for Cut at Duke...but he ain't winning a national championship there...even Dooley screwed over recruits trying to get better...in his typical fashion he chose wrong...Christian Harris over Khalid Henderson and Alden Hill over Imani Cross.

I'm all for football coaches being 100 percent straightforward with recruits after they commit...would like that at President also...just not realistic.







JMO. :hi:

 

[Dooby15]

We aren't buds. Justifying something based on what others do is pathetic.

Not sure why you're mad at me about it. I didn't design the system of recruiting. Anyway, if I'm Jennings or Dormady I say let's get it on and may the best QB get the job. Problem is we've got too many people like yourself who react with emotion and cry "it's pathetic." I hope Jennings and Dormady have more testosterone than you and embrace the competition.

 

[VolInDayton]

Every player gets told they are the best. People are willing to wait 2-3 years to play because that is how college football works, that's part of the reason there are red shirts. College football has became a business and coaches have to do what is best for them to win. Hell, you aren't even safe consistently winning 9 games a year if you are a coach now. Don't feel bad for college football players. They go to school for free and get treated extremely well by students and faculty. They also get to spend time in the nicest facilities and do want many people dream to. Some players get shafted but they will find a place for them in the end if they can play, if not welcome to life as an average college student. It is still pretty awesome. Im done now because this is pointless. /end rant

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

Not sure why you're mad at me about it. I didn't design the system of recruiting. Anyway, if I'm Jennings or Dormady I say let's get it on and may the best QB get the job. Problem is we've got too many people like yourself who react with emotion and cry "it's pathetic." I hope Jennings and Dormady have more testosterone than you and embrace the competition.

Recruiting in a lot of ways for recruits is based on trust. You want to trust the guys you decide to sign with. If they told you they were taking 2 QBs so that you would sign and then once they think you are trapped so late in the game try to take a 3rd, IMO it's nothing to do with how much testosterone a kid has. It's can I even trust the man I chose to play for. In a lot of these cases, the answer is no.

 

[sonofUT62]

How much of the millions of dollars are the recruits getting?

Some of you guys are just pathetic.

The value of the education, room and board, travel, medical care and other extras is north of 100k per year. Let's not act like they're being totally abused in this.

 

[tnktm]

Nobody knows what's going on and can't control any part of it - why get so torn up about it?

 

[butchna]

Nobody knows what's going on and can't control any part of it - why get so torn up about it?

We can't just let Butch go and do what he's going to do anyway. :nono:

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

Nobody knows what's going on and can't control any part of it - why get so torn up about it?

Discussion is good entertainment. :birgits_giggle:

 

[Dooby15]

Recruiting in a lot of ways for recruits is based on trust. You want to trust the guys you decide to sign with. If they told you they were taking 2 QBs so that you would sign and then once they think you are trapped so late in the game try to take a 3rd, IMO it's nothing to do with how much testosterone a kid has. It's can I even trust the man I chose to play for. In a lot of these cases, the answer is no.

So Coach Jones is suppose to pass up the opportunity to get a player who is likely better? What if your job depended on getting the best players or employees? It puts Butch in a tough spot but in his defense he probably didn't see this opportunity coming. Players do it to coaches too BTW. They flip just as fast at the last minute. Like I said, it's part of recruiting.

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

So Coach Jones is suppose to pass up the opportunity to get a player who is likely better? What if your job depended on getting the best players or employees? It puts Butch in a tough spot but in his defense he probably didn't see this opportunity coming. Players do it to coaches too BTW. They flip just as fast at the last minute. Like I said, it's part of recruiting.

Yes, players do flip. The thing is I don't really buy that argument here as neither Dormady or Jennings have done ANYTHING to even hint at them wavering. Other situations, sure most know I am 100% fine with recruiting over/replacing a kid taking visits or wavering. That's just simply not the case here.

 

[Dooby15]

Yes, players do flip. The thing is I don't really buy that argument here as neither Dormady or Jennings have done ANYTHING to even hint at them wavering. Other situations, sure most know I am 100% fine with recruiting over/replacing a kid taking visits or wavering. That's just simply not the case here.

So your answer is that Jones should pass up on a better player? Right?

 

[sonofUT62]

Yes, players do flip. The thing is I don't really buy that argument here as neither Dormady or Jennings have done ANYTHING to even hint at them wavering. Other situations, sure most know I am 100% fine with recruiting over/replacing a kid taking visits or wavering. That's just simply not the case here.

Dude, recruiting is like an iceberg. We see maybe 10% of what's going on below the surface. Yes its a message board and discussion is interesting. But the righteous indignation you've worked up when you have no clue what's going on, is just bizarre.

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

So your answer is that Jones should pass up on a better player? Right?

How do you know Jones is a better player?

CBJ took 2 QBs. He told those 2 QBs they were the only QBs for the class. For me, it's as simple as that.

Why did CBJ not push for other QBs months ago when it was realized TG was not worth a scholarship? Why did UT not continue to visit, recruit, offer QBs? Was it because doing so may cause them to lose one of the committed guys? Now that it's a dead period coming up and EE sign in a matter of a couple weeks, now it's time to try and sneak in another? QD & JJ's options now are just ignore the fact the man you trusted and got you to sign flat out lied, or you can wait till after the dead period and more less restart your recruitment.

Yeah, sounds fair to me.

 

[Dooby15]

How do you know Jones is a better player?

CBJ took 2 QBs. He told those 2 QBs they were the only QBs for the class. For me, it's as simple as that.

Why did CBJ not push for other QBs months ago when it was realized TG was not worth a scholarship? Why did UT not continue to visit, recruit, offer QBs? Was it because doing so may cause them to lose one of the committed guys? Now that it's a dead period coming up and EE sign in a matter of a couple weeks, now it's time to try and sneak in another? QD & JJ's options now are just ignore the fact the man you trusted and got you to sign flat out lied, or you can wait till after the dead period and more less restart your recruitment.

Yeah, sounds fair to me.

I don't know, but a lot of analysts who evaluate players for a living do. Film between the 2 is clearly different to me. I think most agree that Jones is better Leb. Pretty simple conclusion, you take the best players possible to win. The staff probably didn't keep pursuing Jones bc he was committed to another school. Recruiting changes daily and at the end of the day coaches have to get the best players.

 

[sonofUT62]

How do you know Jones is a better player?

CBJ took 2 QBs. He told those 2 QBs they were the only QBs for the class. For me, it's as simple as that.

Why did CBJ not push for other QBs months ago when it was realized TG was not worth a scholarship? Why did UT not continue to visit, recruit, offer QBs? Was it because doing so may cause them to lose one of the committed guys? Now that it's a dead period coming up and EE sign in a matter of a couple weeks, now it's time to try and sneak in another? QD & JJ's options now are just ignore the fact the man you trusted and got you to sign flat out lied, or you can wait till after the dead period and more less restart your recruitment.

Yeah, sounds fair to me.

We live in a 24 hour news cycle society. Once it was indicated there would be an in home, don't you think someone contacted of of our two qb commits for a comment? We've got 20 rumor threads about current players leaving,but Dormady and JJs threads are on the second page. If there was resentment over the situation, one of the dozens of PAID RECRUITING GURUS would have dug it up. You're starting a huge s&it storm over something that's probably gonna amount to nothing.

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

I don't know, but a lot of analysts who evaluate players for a living do. Film between the 2 is clearly different to me. I think most agree that Jones is better Leb. Pretty simple conclusion, you take the best players possible to win. The staff probably didn't keep pursuing Jones bc he was committed to another school. Recruiting changes daily and at the end of the day coaches have to get the best players.

Drew Richmond was committed to another school. Sure did not stop CBJ and company from continuing to recruit him. IMO it's the timing of this that makes it look obviously shady. The staff waited will it's almost too late for QD & JJ to do something else unless they want to just start over.

CBJ pulled the same thing when he snuck Dobbs in with the 2013 class.

I suppose future QBs especially should be paying attention.

 

[sonofUT62]

Drew Richmond was committed to another school. Sure did not stop CBJ and company from continuing to recruit him. IMO it's the timing of this that makes it look obviously shady. The staff waited will it's almost too late for QD & JJ to do something else unless they want to just start over.

CBJ pulled the same thing when he snuck Dobbs in with the 2013 class.

I suppose future QBs especially should be paying attention.[/QUOT

He didn't "sneak" anyone in to the 2013 class. He was on the job for two months and was scrambling to put that class together. Of course if he hadn't added Dobbs, we would have had Peterman and a walk on after Worley went out. That would have worked out well.

 

[Dooby15]

Drew Richmond was committed to another school. Sure did not stop CBJ and company from continuing to recruit him. IMO it's the timing of this that makes it look obviously shady. The staff waited will it's almost too late for QD & JJ to do something else unless they want to just start over.

CBJ pulled the same thing when he snuck Dobbs in with the 2013 class.

I suppose future QBs especially should be paying attention.

And thank goodness he "snuck" Dobbs in. Good move there or else we would be home for the holidays. You really think Butch and co planned on Jones recommitting from Fla and then instantly being interested in UT? You're fishing hard Leb for something that just isn't there. Comparing one players recruitment to another is a mute point too. Leave the recruiting to Butch, he's reeled in some great classes into a dumpster fire of a program before he got here.