'15 CA QB Sheriron Jones (UT Signee 2/4/15)

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Asking people to keep the rhetoric to a minimum until more evidence is in isn't being unreasonable either. See I can make that argument too.[/QUOTE]
 
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sonofUT62 said:
He's not the one who said it was free. We recognize the players provide a service. But 100k is probably being conservative. Once again, its not like they're being abused.
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Answer me this, are ethics and integrity appropriate for all industries with the exception of college football athletics?
 
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butchna said:
Being 100% nice and aboveboard works for Cut at Duke...but he ain't winning a national championship there...even Dooley screwed over recruits trying to get better...in his typical fashion he chose wrong...Christian Harris over Khalid Henderson and Alden Hill over Imani Cross.

I'm all for football coaches being 100 percent straightforward with recruits after they commit...would like that at President also...just not realistic.




Khalid Henderson was traded for Otha Peters and Dallas Santos but the result was the same. The Imani Cross for Alden Hill trade along with Grahams inability to flip Mike Davis could have been a disaster had we not been able to get in on "sweet jacket" Queshaun Watson and Devante Borque late (blue font). You are right these were typical Dooley recruiting scenarios.
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UTFootballFan said:
sonofUT62 said:
Expecting the coach to operate with trust, integrity and good character is not going overboard.
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Most on ere will tell you that is not part of the recruiting equation. At least not on the coaching side of it. Now if a recruit does something shady, like not commit to UT, there is $$ involved, white girls, and all sorts of shady things.

Let UT's coaches hang a kid out to dry. It's what is best for the kid, the program, and let's not mention it again.

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sonofUT62 said:
Asking people to keep the rhetoric to a minimum until more evidence is in isn't being unreasonable either. See I can make that argument too.
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Did you have the same requests when people were blasting Coach Jones for not playing Dobbs sooner and at other times people have been critical?
 
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UTFootballFan said:
Answer me this, are ethics and integrity appropriate for all industries with the exception of college football athletics?
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No. And I never said anything to imply I thought they were. I don't have a problem with the staff being held accountable if its CONFIRMED they lied. I really think that you're argument isn't with me.
 
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UTFootballFan said:
In the video you refer to, is the difference in the QBs' highlights the supporting casts or the QBs?
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Just looking at mechanics and foot work. There is a clear difference. Your debate about players getting a free education is mute. Let's assume the athlete takes care of their academics and gets a degree. Let's say they make 80,000 salary using the degree and work for 25 years which is conservative. Do the math, that'll be 2 million dollars. Also no student loans with interest to pay back.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
No. And I never said anything to imply I thought they were. I don't have a problem with the staff being held accountable if its CONFIRMED they lied. I really think that you're argument isn't with me.
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Yes it is. He thinks we're all part of the conspiracy to lure in 2 QB's and then tell Jones to decommitt from Fla at just the right time so we can get all 3. It's all our fault.
 
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Did you have the same requests when people were blasting Coach Jones for not playing Dobbs sooner and at other times people have been critical?[/QUOTE]

Actually I do. I was one of the posters who brought up how ridiculous the discrepancy was between the posts with 5 minutes left in the SC game vs how everyone had a sudden change of heart at the end. I've been a UT fan for a long time and I try to pay more attention to the marathon than the sprint. But thanks for asking!!
 
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sonofUT62 said:
Did you have the same requests when people were blasting Coach Jones for not playing Dobbs sooner and at other times people have been critical?
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Actually I do. I was one of the posters who brought up how ridiculous the discrepancy was between the posts with 5 minutes left in the SC game vs how everyone had a sudden change of heart at the end. I've been a UT fan for a long time and I try to pay more attention to the marathon than the sprint. But thanks for asking!![/QUOTE]

I too am talking about the long term. Screwing over recruits is not a good long term strategy.
 
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Dooby15 said:
Yes it is. He thinks we're all part of the conspiracy to lure in 2 QB's and then tell Jones to decommitt from Fla at just the right time so we can get all 3. It's all our fault.
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I never said CBJ had it set up for Jones to de-commit at this time. I'd guess Jones choosing to de-commit was because of the UF coaching situation. Now I do feel that CBJ is 100% wrong for trying to go against what he said to the (2) guys committed and now sneak another QB in when it's likely too late for the committed guys to do something else.
 
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UTFootballFan said:
There you go. She doesn't perform for the school and they don't reward her with a scholarship. See the difference? The athletes aren't getting a free education. They pay for it with blood, sweat and tears on and off the field.
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Yes and one transferred because we took another QB, one misses home, one got yelled at, one doesn't like the circle of life drill. Lot of blood sweat and tears being given there. Yes these players play hard and I'm not saying its easy. But stop acting like its BUDS.
 
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Dooby15 said:
Yes it is. He thinks we're all part of the conspiracy to lure in 2 QB's and then tell Jones to decommitt from Fla at just the right time so we can get all 3. It's all our fault.
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Strawman argument. No one said that, other than you of course.
 
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UTFootballFan said:
There you go. She doesn't perform for the school and they don't reward her with a scholarship. See the difference? The athletes aren't getting a free education. They pay for it with blood, sweat and tears on and off the field.
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Actually, she does have a substantial academic scholarship. But the amount is real so these guys do have $25,000/year jobs. Plus they are showcasing their abilities to potentially make huge paycheck. Arguing that they are slaves is laughable. No one forces them to choose a school, accept a scholarship, and play football. It is a symbiotic relationship.
 
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UTFootballFan said:
Actually I do. I was one of the posters who brought up how ridiculous the discrepancy was between the posts with 5 minutes left in the SC game vs how everyone had a sudden change of heart at the end. I've been a UT fan for a long time and I try to pay more attention to the marathon than the sprint. But thanks for asking!!
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I too am talking about the long term. Screwing over recruits is not a good long term strategy.[/QUOTE]

Not if you want them to stick around it isn't. Looks like UT is about to experience some of that. This staff may be in a situation where they have no choice but to sign 3 QBs, 3 RBs, 5 WRs, 5 DEs every class. I mean if 10 months later only 1 of the 3 is still there, building a winner is going to be tough. Yeah, I'm sure there are a lot of things going on behind closed doors we the fans don't know about. Whatever it is, it's leading to transfers.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
Yes and one transferred because we took another QB, one misses home, one got yelled at, one doesn't like the circle of life drill. Lot of blood sweat and tears being given there. Yes these players play hard and I'm not saying its easy. But stop acting like its BUDS.
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You stop acting like the university is doing them a favor.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Actually, she does have a substantial academic scholarship. But the amount is real so these guys do have $25,000/year jobs. Plus they are showcasing their abilities to potentially make huge paycheck. Arguing that they are slaves is laughable. No one forces them to choose a school, accept a scholarship, and play football. It is a symbiotic relationship.
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How many players go on to the next level? How much money is generated by the football program?

You are right, it's a two way street and one lying to the other isn't appropriate.
 
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UTFootballFan said:
You stop acting like the university is doing them a favor.
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Ummm taking kids often from often impoverished backgrounds, who are often first in family to go to college, and providing them with 500k worth of benefits plus the chance to make a living or play professionally??? Yep, I'm gonna keep acting like the U is doing them a favor.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
Ummm taking kids often from often impoverished backgrounds, who are often first in family to go to college, and providing them with 500k worth of benefits plus the chance to make a living or play professionally??? Yep, I'm gonna keep acting like the U is doing them a favor.
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Another strawman. Are all the kids we are discussing in this thread impoverished?
 
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