'15 FL DE Byron Cowart

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Serious question HG, would you rather have Muschamp or Butch as your coach? I only ask cause Muschamp could have come to UT and if he had, who knows, maybe Butch could be coach at UF now?
 
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Dust10 said:
Serious question HG, would you rather have Muschamp or Butch as your coach? I only ask cause Muschamp could have come to UT and if he had, who knows, maybe Butch could be coach at UF now?
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Sorry, Dust, but no way is that a serious question.
 
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Dust10 said:
Serious question HG, would you rather have Muschamp or Butch as your coach? I only ask cause Muschamp could have come to UT and if he had, who knows, maybe Butch could be coach at UF now?
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Imo Butch is the better HC. CWM is a 8-10 win guy. Not sure either will win a NC.
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IMO CBJ has a lot still to prove. He has had (1) 5 win season in the SEC. Muschump has had a 7 win season and an 11 win season in the SEC. The concern I would have as a turd fan is the most recent season was just 4 wins. It looks like its getting worse rather than better. Taking a step back is one thing. Going from 11 wins to 4 in just a year, HOLY HELL!

3 of the wins were SEC wins though. 1 of them was over CBJ and UT. Still would not feel good if he were our HC. JMO
 
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Ron Swanson said:
You just posted he's a better HC than WM. Now you're going to change your mind? lol
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Its other reasons why I think Butch is better HC. Not that big of a slamdunk as you state...if he's being honest"
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HialeahGator said:
why? bc Butch won at Cincy and WMU? Means nothing in as a SEC HC.
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I think it does. Past head coaching success, no matter which conference, tends to portend future success....for example, Saban, Meyer, Spurrier, Miles, Petrino, etc..... Gotta start somewhere, all came from lesser conferences and had good success before being hired into the SEC.
 
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KBVol said:
I think it does. Past head coaching success, no matter which conference, tends to portend future success....for example, Saban, Meyer, Spurrier, Miles, Petrino, etc.....
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Exactly. Of course it matters. But there are always people who love to use their weak "but it wasn't the SEC" argument. Winning is winning and Butch has done plenty of winning as a HC. It's only a matter of time before he wins big at UT. You know it, I know it and HG knows it too.
 
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Ron Swanson said:
Exactly. Of course it matters. But there are always people who love to use their weak "but it wasn't the SEC" argument. Winning is winning and Butch has done plenty of winning as a HC. It's only a matter of time before he wins big at UT. You know it, I know it and HG knows it too.
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Curious why more folks did not feel this way when a few of us were pointing out how CBJ as a possible hire for UT made a lot of sense when the job was on the market. He had won elsewhere, and financially he made sense. The man did not have a lot of support on this board to be hired prior to him getting the job.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Curious why more folks did not feel this way when a few of us were pointing out how CBJ as a possible hire for UT made a lot of sense when the job was on the market. He had won elsewhere, and financially he made sense. The man did not have a lot of support on this board to be hired prior to him getting the job.
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We were blinded by Grudenmania.

Plus his recruiting was an unknown for the most part but obviously now we know not to worry about that anymore.
 
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Ron Swanson said:
We were blinded by Grudenmania.

Plus his recruiting was an unknown for the most part but obviously now we know not to worry about that anymore.
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If dools could recruit to UT and keep us in the top 15 class wise, a chimpanzee who is willing to put in 40 HRS a week could have us in the top 10. UT recruits itself.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Curious why more folks did not feel this way when a few of us were pointing out how CBJ as a possible hire for UT made a lot of sense when the job was on the market. He had won elsewhere, and financially he made sense. The man did not have a lot of support on this board to be hired prior to him getting the job.
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There is always going to be skepticism when a coach comes from a lesser conference to the SEC. Doesn't matter what school. It's just a wait-and-see kind of deal. Butch has said and done nothing but the right things since arriving in Knoxville and that has diminished much of the doubt. I was very happy when his name was mentioned as a possible hire. But it's still a cautious optimism until he proves himself. He has proven a lot so far...and I think he is definitely up to the task of cementing himself as one of the top coaches in the country over the course of the next few years.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Curious why more folks did not feel this way when a few of us were pointing out how CBJ as a possible hire for UT made a lot of sense when the job was on the market. He had won elsewhere, and financially he made sense. The man did not have a lot of support on this board to be hired prior to him getting the job.
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I always liked him as an option - and consistently said he was a better coach than Strong (my dad lives in Lville so I still watch a lot of their games and is why I watched Cincy play, hopefully i never have to do that again) - got the same results basically against equivalent competition without near as much talent (especially at QB)

what I didn't know is if he could recruit - now that this issue is settled - I think he will be an excellent hire
 
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KBVol said:
I think it does. Past head coaching success, no matter which conference, tends to portend future success....for example, Saban, Meyer, Spurrier, Miles, Petrino, etc..... Gotta start somewhere, all came from lesser conferences and had good success before being hired into the SEC.
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Saban and Miles came from big 10/12 before they got sec gig. Ill give you Meyer and SOS but they are the exception to the rule. I questioned Meyer's hire after Zook-gate...and im sure most here lol'd at UF at the time.
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SCvol333 said:
I always liked him as an option - and consistently said he was a better coach than Strong (my dad lives in Lville so I still watch a lot of their games and is why I watched Cincy play, hopefully i never have to do that again) - got the same results basically against equivalent competition without near as much talent (especially at QB)

what I didn't know is if he could recruit - now that this issue is settled - I think he will be an excellent hire
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I was always against the idea of paying Strong the 4.5-5 million it was going to take to get him vs the 2.5-3 it would take to hire Butch. Glad ul decided to overpay to keep Charlie away from Knoxville.
 
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HialeahGator said:
Saban and Miles came from big 10/12 before they got sec gig. Ill give you Meyer and SOS but they are the exception to the rule. I questioned Meyer's hire after Zook-gate...and im sure most here lol'd at UF at the time.
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Meyer was the one coach I feared landing in Gainesville at the time. Turns out my concerns were warranted. I definitely wasn't lol'ing...I would have LOVED to have seen Zook kept around a while longer.
 
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I think we are all ecstatic to find out Butch can recruit at the level he has. It has 100% changed our opinion of him since the day he was hired.
 
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ljeller said:
Meyer was the one coach I feared landing in Gainesville at the time. Turns out my concerns were warranted. I definitely wasn't lol'ing...I would have LOVED to have seen Zook kept around a while longer.
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Zookers :lol: still dont understand.
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LebanonVolunteer said:
I was always against the idea of paying Strong the 4.5-5 million it was going to take to get him vs the 2.5-3 it would take to hire Butch. Glad ul decided to overpay to keep Charlie away from Knoxville.
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agreed I think TX is going to be coach shopping in about 3-4 years - we shall see
 
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