'15 FL QB/WR/DB (anything he wants) Torrance Gibson

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Burger said:
Yes, but it doesn't show much. You could put up those stats if you had elite guys playing with you. I'd like to see him compete against other qbs at camps, which he has not done.

I like Grudens evaluation on domady though.
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So is the talent around Gibson that elite? Or is it Gibson makes them look elite. Do you personally know he has all star talent around him? I mean we know he plays against elite talent and makes these defenses look bad. Thats a fact.

So if Dormady balls out this year, couldn't the same thing be said about him? That he has elite guys around him and anybody could put up stats with talent like that?
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Seriously there is absolutely no proof of your last sentence.
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Currently, he's correct. You're taking Gibson based off his great potential.

You can conclude that Dormady is the better passer and Jefferson is more polished by watching them play.

It's like no player can be better than Gibson in any facet of the game with some of you.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
So is the talent around Gibson that elite? Or is it Gibson makes them look elite. Do you personally know he has all star talent around him?
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Sony Michel is elite on any team in the country. His slot receiver from last season (McKenzie, maybe? I forget) is also elite on any team.
 
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Chillax! One side says we like the athleticism of TG. The other side says we like the idea of a pocket passer. We know neither side will change what they think. I think we can agree that:
1) TG is talented.
2) TG didn't jump in early.
3) The 2015 class is filling up quickly already and CBJ MAY have trouble finding a spot for him if there are any red flags...
4) CBJ MAY NOT have trouble making/reserving a spot for TG if CBJ wants him when TG is ready to commit.
5) Dormady could be the next Peyton Manning or Nathan Peterman.
6) Jennings could be the next Tee Martin or the 2013 Josh Dobbs.
7) While attacking each other may be fun for some of you, it is working the rest of our EVERY LAST NERVES. That's why this forum has devolved into a dumpster fire.

I would love to click the TG thread and not find a bunch of "Vol fans" chewing each other out in every post. The recruiting forum used to be a civilized place, full of rainbows and unicorns (aka hope), and I preferred it that way. If you like the TG thread the way it is, well, I hope you find satisfaction someday, cause you ain't going to find it trying to convince each other of anything.

/rant

Later rednecks :crazy:

(I have been typing this for a few minutes... not aimed at any one person in particular.)
 
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k-town_king said:
Chad Pennington just completed passes and lead the team. Manning and Luck put the team on their back and produce a bulk of the offense. Peyton set all kinds of records. He isn't just completing passes. Luck neither.

Aww someones's widdle feeling hurt? I guess you can talk about a teenager you don't know, but can't take it when it gets turned around.
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Since you are in the know, tell is why other teams are backing off TG? Tell us why he is not competing in the QB camps? Tell us why he was suspended from his high school team.
 
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WarMachine said:
Chillax! One side says we like the athleticism of TG. The other side says we like the idea of a pocket passer. We know neither side will change what they think. I think we can agree that:
1) TG is talented.
2) TG didn't jump in early.
3) The 2015 class is filling up quickly already and CBJ MAY have trouble finding a spot for him if there are any red flags...
4) CBJ MAY NOT have trouble making/reserving a spot for TG if CBJ wants him when TG is ready to commit.
5) Dormady could be the next Peyton Manning or Nathan Peterman.
6) Jennings could be the next Tee Martin or the 2013 Josh Dobbs.
7) While attacking each other may be fun for some of you, it is working the rest of our EVERY LAST NERVES. That's why this forum has devolved into a dumpster fire.

I would love to click the TG thread and not find a bunch of "Vol fans" chewing each other out in every post. The recruiting forum used to be a civilized place, full of rainbows and unicorns (aka hope), and I preferred it that way. If you like the TG thread the way it is, well, I hope you find satisfaction someday, cause you ain't going to find it trying to convince each other of anything.

/rant

Later rednecks :crazy:

(I have been typing this for a few minutes... not aimed at any one person in particular.)
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:clapping: :salute:
 
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onevol74 said:
Since you are in the know, tell is why other teams are backing off TG? Tell us why he is not competing in the QB camps? Tell us why he was suspended from his high school team.
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Now, now. None of that stuff is true because TG said so on twitter. He said UT had slowed recruiting him, but that was "just kidding". The camp thing is no big deal. He could not get a ride ANYWHERE unless it was just a visit and no throwing involved. There were rumors that he played QB at the 7 on 7 event, but I have not seen any stats posted at all. In fact a 2016 or 2017 QB was named the best QB at that event. :dunno:

UT, OSU, AU, Miami, OU, LSU, UCF are all 100% all in for TG. They would not dare stop recruiting such a talent. Don't pay attention to UT already taking 2 QBs. OSU, and AU clearly pushing for 2nd QBs "not named TG". Bartow said so. EVERYONE wants TG!

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LotteryPick said:
Currently, he's correct. You're taking Gibson based off his great potential.

You can conclude that Dormady is the better passer and Jefferson is more polished by watching them play.

It's like no player can be better than Gibson in any facet of the game with some of you.
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Nope. I never said anything of the sort. The film I have seen of both QD and TG shows two very QB's that can make any throw necessary.

I haven't seen any film of Gibson playing WR, have you? If you have please link it, I would like to see it. If not then your statement holds no validity.

There are quite a few passers better than TG as a matter of fact. There are also better WR's. However combining both passing and running? There are few that posses the combination Gibson has. I am taking Gibson off of the film I have seen. Like everyone else on here, its just my opinion but I feel a talent like Gibson would be great on any team in any offense.
 
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LotteryPick said:
Sony Michel is elite on any team in the country. His slot receiver from last season (McKenzie, maybe? I forget) is also elite on any team.
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You're right, there has been a lot of talent on that Heritage team over the past few years (probably a lot longer than I realize).

The only consideration I could think of is the classification levels. Dormady doesn't compete in such a big classification. It's pretty evident when you see his film.

Gibson plays in one of the most competitive classifications in Florida.

They both have talent surrounding them accordingly. His team may have 10 D-1 players where Dormady's has 1 - maybe 2.

It probably equates to their competition as well. Gibson's team may compete against teams with ridiculous amounts of talent compared to Dormady's competition.

Having the success he's had against that level of talent is surely part of the reason he is so highly ranked. Winning their state title game by nearly 60 points may illustrate just how much quality talent was on that Heritage team last year.

I'd like to see what Dormady could do with the number of great players Gibson has around him.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Nope. I never said anything of the sort. The film I have seen of both QD and TG shows two very QB's that can make any throw necessary.

I haven't seen any film of Gibson playing WR, have you? If you have please link it, I would like to see it. If not then your statement holds no validity.

There are quite a few passers better than TG as a matter of fact. There are also better WR's. However combining both passing and running? There are few that posses the combination Gibson has. I am taking Gibson off of the film I have seen. Like everyone else on here, its just my opinion but I feel a talent like Gibson would be great on any team in any offense.
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There is a youtube video of TG playing WR on last years 7on7 team. He did look pretty good in the video I saw.
 
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Let's get rid of the here say, and the information that may or may not have come from recruiting analyst. The facts are, we don't know if there are truly any issues surrounding the kid. There have been no post, either directly quoting or linked to an article, that say specifically what "issues" Gibson does or doesn't have. All three QB's brought up in this thread, Gibson, Dormady, and Jennings, all have their question marks. Stats from the field tell the tale more than any camp or recruiting analyst ever could. So let's channel our inner LV and look at some numbers!

Gibson: 2013 - 85/153 (55.5%) - 1789yds, 19/3 - td/int
111 RuA - 1063yds, 10td 9.57yds/c

Jennings: 2013 - 74/152 (48.6%) - 1394yds, 14/5 - td/int
117 RuA - 698yds, 9td 5.96yds/c

Dormady: 2013 - N/A due to injury
2012 - 228/372 (61.2%) - 3010yds, 27/9 - td/int
18 RuA - (-38)yds, 1td (-2.1)yds/c

Numbers do not lie. The best passer, by a mile, is dormady. Both Gibson and Jennings only have one year healming the QB position and both need work. Does that mean neither will make it as a QB? Absolutely not. We're lucky to have two of the three listed above. Taking Gibson wouldn't be the end of the world. One of either him or Jennings would end up playing another position other than QB. I think these are the arguing points people should be pointing out rather than character issues that none of us are able to personally attest for. Sorry for the rant. Just wanted to introduce some actual facts to the argument here.
 
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volamite86 said:
Let's get rid of the here say, and the information that may or may not have come from recruiting analyst. The facts are, we don't know if there are truly any issues surrounding the kid. There have been no post, either directly quoting or linked to an article, that say specifically what "issues" Gibson does or doesn't have. All three QB's brought up in this thread, Gibson, Dormady, and Jennings, all have their question marks. Stats from the field tell the tale more than any camp or recruiting analyst ever could. So let's channel our inner LV and look at some numbers!

Gibson: 2013 - 85/153 (55.5%) - 1789yds, 19/3 - td/int
111 RuA - 1063yds, 10td 9.57yds/c

Jennings: 2013 - 74/152 (48.6%) - 1394yds, 14/5 - td/int
117 RuA - 698yds, 9td 5.96yds/c

Dormady: 2013 - N/A due to injury
2012 - 228/372 (61.2%) - 3010yds, 27/9 - td/int
18 RuA - (-38)yds, 1td (-2.1)yds/c

Numbers do not lie. The best passer, by a mile, is dormady. Both Gibson and Jennings only have one year healming the QB position and both need work. Does that mean neither will make it as a QB? Absolutely not. We're lucky to have two of the three listed above. Taking Gibson wouldn't be the end of the world. One of either him or Jennings would end up playing another position other than QB. I think these are the arguing points people should be pointing out rather than character issues that none of us are able to personally attest for. Sorry for the rant. Just wanted to introduce some actual facts to the argument here.
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I understand what you're saying, but...

Dormady has over 200 more pass attempts than Gibson and their completion percentage is not that far off. Considering it was Gibson's first year playing QB and Dormady is the coach's son, Gibson would appear to have much more potential.

Their completion percentages aren't that far off, certainly not enough to say that Dormady is the far better passer.

Then, if you take into account the total yards, you'll see that Dormady has 2,972 total yards - Gibson has 2,852

Gibson was responsible for 29 TDs
Dormady was responsible for 27

Also...
Gibson threw 3 ints
Dormady had 9 ints

Dormady never ran the ball a single time, so knowing whether he would be truly effective in a spread offense is something we can't know.
 
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Gibson was a JR. He also had a 5* RB (Sony Michel) and a 4* WR (Isaiah McKenzie)
Dormady was a SO. Who didnt have anybody even listed on Rivals
 
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Enki_Amenra said:
I understand what you're saying, but...

Dormady has over 200 more pass attempts than Gibson and their completion percentage is not that far off. Considering it was Gibson's first year playing QB and Dormady is the coach's son, Gibson would appear to have much more potential.

Their completion percentages aren't that far off, certainly not enough to say that Dormady is the far better passer.

Then, if you take into account the total yards, you'll see that Dormady has 2,972 total yards - Gibson has 2,852

Gibson was responsible for 29 TDs
Dormady was responsible for 27

Also...
Gibson threw 3 ints
Dormady had 9 ints

Dormady never ran the ball a single time, so knowing whether he would be truly effective in a spread offense is something we can't know.
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But the Tennessee coaches took Dormady's commitment. Would that not point to he can run the offense? Maybe the fans "can't know", but the coaches seem to.
 
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PassedOutAwake said:
@enki

Gibson was a JR. He also had a 5* RB (Sony Michel) and a 4* WR (Isaiah McKenzie)
Dormady was a SO. Who didnt have anybody even listed on Rivals
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You're right. I'd like to see what Dormady could do with Gibson's offense.

Gibson also plays against a lot tougher competition as well.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
But the Tennessee coaches took Dormady's commitment. Would that not point to he can run the offense? Maybe the fans "can't know", but the coaches seem to.
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You know that they didn't take Gibson's commitment? I thought he wasn't announcing until later this year.

What do you know that any of us do not know about what the coaches do or do not want?
 
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Enki_Amenra said:
I understand what you're saying, but...

Dormady has over 200 more pass attempts than Gibson and their completion percentage is not that far off. Considering it was Gibson's first year playing QB and Dormady is the coach's son, Gibson would appear to have much more potential.

Their completion percentages aren't that far off, certainly not enough to say that Dormady is the far better passer.

Then, if you take into account the total yards, you'll see that Dormady has 2,972 total yards - Gibson has 2,852

Gibson was responsible for 29 TDs
Dormady was responsible for 27

Also...
Gibson threw 3 ints
Dormady had 9 ints

Dormady never ran the ball a single time, so knowing whether he would be truly effective in a spread offense is something we can't know.
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Oh I agree about the number differentials, but they also show Dormady and Gibson are night and day representations of a quarterback. I like to compare Gibson and Jennings here. TG has better stats with the same amount playing experience. Don't get me wrong, JJ has the potential to be an excellent QB. But the stats say the better option at DT-QB is Gibson. I forget who it was that said it but they claimed Jennings had better work ethic. That's such a subjective statement it's ridiculous. I'm willing to say none of us know anything about either of their work ethic.
 
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volamite86 said:
Oh I agree about the number differentials, but they also show Dormady and Gibson are night and day representations of a quarterback. I like to compare Gibson and Jennings here. TG has better stats with the same amount playing experience. Don't get me wrong, JJ has the potential to be an excellent QB. But the stats say the better option at DT-QB is Gibson. I forget who it was that said it but they claimed Jennings had better work ethic. That's such a subjective statement it's ridiculous. I'm willing to say none of us know anything about either of their work ethic.
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I like Jennings too. Everything I've heard lately is that he is looking better and better at QB. It'll be interesting to see how their senior seasons unfold.
 
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Enki_Amenra said:
I like Jennings too. Everything I've heard lately is that he is looking better and better at QB. It'll be interesting to see how their senior seasons unfold.
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All you have to do is watch his JR highlights, and then watch his Spring highlights. You can see a big difference in his footwork, pocket presence and throwing motion.
 
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