'15 GA DB Yaquis "Duke" Shelley

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Orange venom says he's a beast, then he's a damn beast. He hasn't thrown around "top player in the state" a lot over the years.
 
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There's a handfull of committed guys just waiting for the word to pull the trigger. Timing is everything. Well not everything. But it is important.
 
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Orange Venom said:
Yep to small
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If that is true, why even offer them? If the coaches don't plan on even considering taking the kid, why offer them and give them false hope they may end up a Vol? I'd rather not see them do that. Keep making offers to kids you have no intention of actually taking and all a sudden an early offer means little to nothing and recruits will pick up on that.

CBJ: "We are looking for CBs who are 6'1 and 185+ lbs".

Shelley is 5'8 155.

CBJ: You have an offer to Tennessee!

Shelley: "CBJ I want to commit to the Vols"!

CBJ: "Ummmm"....

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LebanonVolunteer said:
If that is true, why even offer them? If the coaches don't plan on even considering taking the kid, why offer them and give them false hope they may end up a Vol? I'd rather not see them do that. Keep making offers to kids you have no intention of actually taking and all a sudden an early offer means little to nothing and recruits will pick up on that.

CBJ: "We are looking for CBs who are 6'1 and 185+ lbs".

Shelley is 5'8 155.

CBJ: You have an offer to Tennessee!

Shelley: "CBJ I want to commit to the Vols"!

CBJ: "Ummmm"....

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Let it go, LV. Everyone does this… They make offers to kids that they aren't ready to accept a commitment from yet. Basically an "offer" is a formal invitation saying that we are going to recruit you.
 
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mreynoldsdvm said:
Let it go, LV. Everyone does this… They make offers to kids that they aren't ready to accept a commitment from yet. Basically an "offer" is a formal invitation saying that we are going to recruit you.
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I have no problem with them not taking Shelley. My issue is why even offer if you know he does not fit your "profile" of what you want at the position? Just makes no sense to me. Your making an offer to a kid you know your not going to actually consider taking.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
If that is true, why even offer them? If the coaches don't plan on even considering taking the kid, why offer them and give them false hope they may end up a Vol? I'd rather not see them do that. Keep making offers to kids you have no intention of actually taking and all a sudden an early offer means little to nothing and recruits will pick up on that.

CBJ: "We are looking for CBs who are 6'1 and 185+ lbs".

Shelley is 5'8 155.

CBJ: You have an offer to Tennessee!

Shelley: "CBJ I want to commit to the Vols"!

CBJ: "Ummmm"....

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Because they MAY take him, so they give out an offer to insinuate interest. If certain things occur, it then becomes committable.
 
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He's listed at 5'10" and when he showed up at UT Junior day apparently he was more like 5'8".
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
If that is true, why even offer them? If the coaches don't plan on even considering taking the kid, why offer them and give them false hope they may end up a Vol? I'd rather not see them do that. Keep making offers to kids you have no intention of actually taking and all a sudden an early offer means little to nothing and recruits will pick up on that.

CBJ: "We are looking for CBs who are 6'1 and 185+ lbs".

Shelley is 5'8 155.

CBJ: You have an offer to Tennessee!

Shelley: "CBJ I want to commit to the Vols"!

CBJ: "Ummmm"....

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You view the recruiting process in far, far too simple and idealist glasses. It would be great if it could work under ideal circumstances. Unfortunately, as with everything dealing with 16-18 year old kids, you just simply can't operate in that way. They change physically, mentally, and emotionally at sudden and unpredictable increments. It is such a fluid situation.
 
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Plus, as Hubbs pointed out awhile ago...offers are more like a formal way of saying "We're going to recruit you now". Not necessarily, "If you want to commit today, we'll take you". Many kids these days won't bother taking UOV's to your campus, going to your junior days/camps or giving you the time of day without an offer. So coaches extend "offers" as a way of letting the recruit know he's on the list and if things go a certain way, he can commit. It's just the way it is these days.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
If that is true, why even offer them? If the coaches don't plan on even considering taking the kid, why offer them and give them false hope they may end up a Vol? I'd rather not see them do that. Keep making offers to kids you have no intention of actually taking and all a sudden an early offer means little to nothing and recruits will pick up on that.

CBJ: "We are looking for CBs who are 6'1 and 185+ lbs".

Shelley is 5'8 155.

CBJ: You have an offer to Tennessee!

Shelley: "CBJ I want to commit to the Vols"!

CBJ: "Ummmm"....

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You pretend it's a simple process. If you miss on top targets then this offer becomes commitable or it could also be an invite to come to camp. If what Swanson said is correct then they likely offered him on film and what he sent in with his recruiting profile height then he showed up to campus at 5"8 which puts him in nickel territory which we may already have targets or be comfortable at.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
I have no problem with them not taking Shelley. My issue is why even offer if you know he does not fit your "profile" of what you want at the position? Just makes no sense to me. Your making an offer to a kid you know your not going to actually consider taking.
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Obviously they consider taking him. It is most likely something similar to this. He fits the profile extremely well in every area except his height. Therefore, other CB's who ALSO fit the recruiting profile AND have better height end up ahead of him on the board. From there multiple things can happen. He might grow at which time we would take him. The few CB's that fit the profile as well as him and are taller might lose interest and commit to other schools. They we look at Duke and even at a shorter height we still like him better than some taller CB's lower down the board because he fits the rest of the profile so well. Then we take him. Cut and dry approach thinking just simply will not work with recruiting.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
I have no problem with them not taking Shelley. My issue is why even offer if you know he does not fit your "profile" of what you want at the position? Just makes no sense to me. Your making an offer to a kid you know your not going to actually consider taking.
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They are CONSIDERING him...Butch knows what he's doing in this game...you want to go back to the Dooley method? :blink:
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butchna said:
They are CONSIDERING him...Butch knows what he's doing in this game...you want to go back to the Dooley method? :blink:
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I think CBJ and staff are doing just fine when it comes to recruiting. Just don't quite get the reasoning to offer kids who are 5" shorter and 35lbs lighter than what your looking for. If I were a recruit, I might see what is playing out and do just as Amadi did.

Obviously Amadi saw through it and decided to choose a school who's offer was valid and committable. If the coaches would have to miss on every CB recruit who is 6'+ before they considered taking me, I seriously doubt I would wait around to see how it plays.
 
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