'15 JUCO CB Justin Martin (UT Signee 2/4/15)

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Burger said:
Still got a degree. That in itself is worth more than a second round pick or later.

To the other post, you got to still pay your living expenses when you go back.
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Under the new Rookie pay rules, 2nd round picks in the 2013 NFL draft received 4-year contracts and signing bonuses valued at $3 million to over $5 million. Even draft picks in the later rounds secured decent deals ($2 million is not bad for four years of work).

My understanding is that the average grad. today would take many more years to reach those levels in total lifetime earnings.

I suspect most students (not just athletes) would postpone receiving their degree for an opportunity to make millions in the immediate future.
 
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VOLinCO said:
Under the new Rookie pay rules, 2nd round picks in the 2013 NFL draft received 4-year contracts and signing bonuses valued at $3 million to over $5 million. Even draft picks in the later rounds secured decent deals ($2 million is not bad for four years of work).

My understanding is that the average grad. today would take many more years to reach those levels in total lifetime earnings.

I suspect most students (not just athletes) would postpone receiving their degree for an opportunity to make millions in the immediate future.
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If I am correct, if you leave college, there is an 80% chance that you won't go back. Most people don't invest their money wisely either, so most will end up broke and without a degree.

The average NFL career is three years, and those contracts aren't guaranteed. Those players are lucky to see their whole contract.
 
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Burger said:
If I am correct, if you leave college, there is an 80% chance that you won't go back. Most people don't invest their money wisely either, so most will end up broke and without a degree.

The average NFL career is three years, and those contracts aren't guaranteed. Those players are lucky to see their whole contract.
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Your mom went to college!!!
 
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Burger said:
If I am correct, if you leave college, there is an 80% chance that you won't go back. Most people don't invest their money wisely either, so most will end up broke and without a degree.

The average NFL career is three years, and those contracts aren't guaranteed. Those players are lucky to see their whole contract.
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I would almost have needed to be 22 before getting paid any crazy amount of money. I would have pissed all that money away pretty quickly. The NFL isn't a league where you're generally going to play several years unless you're in a few positions and even those positions have substantial risk for career ending injuries. NFL players need a fall back plan more so than other sports.
 
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Arian Foster went from a JR with a 2nd rd grade to a SR who went undrafted. You should maximize your value when you can. Few exceptions to that priniciple.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Arian Foster went from a JR with a 2nd rd grade to a SR who went undrafted. You should maximize your value when you can. Few exceptions to that priniciple.
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I don't see how he is a good example. He's making bank right now playing football AND has his degree.
 
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Draft experts got it wrong on Arian Foster, if Clawson didnt' take the regins on offense, Arian Foster would of easily been drafted in the first 3 rounds.
 
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Justin looks good to me and per BB Justin is the real deal. That's all I need to know. Hope he commits as we could use a quality DB with size.

If you want to listen to an old guy that was able to retire early - you never pass on an opportunity that could be life changing unless you do not need to have your life changed. Does that make sense? PM could come back and create a forever legacy. His family had wealth and privilege due to his dad. Most kids, EB included, need to grab the gold ring when opportunity calls because they have more than themselves to take care of and think about. Contrary to some posts on here, with the signing bonuses, just make the team and last four years and you are a multi-millionaire with a pension for life with a good cash position from the signing bonus. When that door opens you run through it. Getting your degree(s) is very important, but most degrees in many fields will not lead to you making that kind of money in a lifetime - much less in 4 years with a lifetime to still do other things.
 
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Tennessee Golfer said:
I don't see how he is a good example. He's making bank right now playing football AND has his degree.
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He played for peanuts for his first few years as undrafted FA vs the contract of a 2nd rounder. Also played in college in 2008 instead of playing in the NFL & getting paid to do it.

You think his Philosophy degree was worth that much knowing he could have finished it for free at any time later?
 
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JAllen18 said:
Draft experts got it wrong on Arian Foster, if Clawson didnt' take the regins on offense, Arian Foster would of easily been drafted in the first 3 rounds.
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He'd also have been drafted in the first three rounds if he left after his JR year. Draft experts had it right at that point in time.
 
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JAllen18 said:
Draft experts got it wrong on Arian Foster, if Clawson didnt' take the regins on offense, Arian Foster would of easily been drafted in the first 3 rounds.
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Fulmer is the one who screwed up that offense in 08. He wouldn't let Clawson run his offense. He continued to meddle with it and you saw the mess he created because of that.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Arian Foster went from a JR with a 2nd rd grade to a SR who went undrafted. You should maximize your value when you can. Few exceptions to that priniciple.
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Jason Allen also comes to mind. Came back, blew his knee out, and never was the same. The guy was one of the best CBs we have had here in the last decade. Terrible situation. He went pro, but was never the same once he hurt his knee.
 
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keckjm said:
Jason Allen also comes to mind. Came back, blew his knee out, and never was the same. The guy was one of the best CBs we have had here in the last decade. Terrible situation. He went pro, but was never the same once he hurt his knee.
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ya I wondered what happened to him.... I know he was drafted by the dolphins but then what happened he was one of my favorite players growing up!
 
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Caleb59seal said:
ya I wondered what happened to him.... I know he was drafted by the dolphins but then what happened he was one of my favorite players growing up!
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Played 4.5 seasons for Dolphins and got cut. He was then claimed by Texans for the rest of the season. He then signed with the Bengals and played one season. Hasn't played since 2012 season.
 
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Volfan76 said:
AJ Johnson says hey, how you doing
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Bad example. AJ wouldn't have been anymore then a 4th to 5th rounder. He's not going to ball out at the combine, so he really needed to come back and help his stock rise. He made himself money by coming back this year, especially with how well our defense has played.
 
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Volfan76 said:
AJ Johnson says hey, how you doing
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Not really sure how he fits in the conversation. Even if he did, you realize I could match tit for tat any example with one from the other side, at least enough to provide substantial evidence that leaving early is beneficial to a large amount of athletes who have maximized their value at the college level.
 
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Serenadium51 said:
Not a good example, he wouldn't have been drafted very high last year.
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Round 3 isn't very high? Of course he made himself money..that's my point. If you don't like that example then Tyler Bray says hi...also darrick wants to know if anyone has some toilet paper he can borrow.
 
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Volfan76 said:
Round 3 isn't very high? Then Tyler Bray says hi...also darrick wants to know if anyone has some toilet paper he can borrow.
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Very few people leave early for the "honor" of being a 3rd rd pick. If you aren't a day 1, or at worst, premium 2nd rd prospect (with a chance to work yourself into the 1st rd), then there is little benefit to leaving. We are talking about higher quality prospects (and characters) than any you've mentioned.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Very few people leave early for the "honor" of being a 3rd rd pick. If you aren't a day 1, or at worst, premium 2nd rd prospect (with a chance to work yourself into the 1st rd), then there is little benefit to leaving. We are talking about higher quality prospects (and characters) than any you've mentioned.
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Then what's your point? if I name Peyton Manning you say he could of been picked that early his junior year and there is no way to know or debate that. Who saved themselves money definitively by going pro their junior year? I think many more cost themselves money by trying to go pro early than ever lost money due to some hypothetical injury possibility.
 
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Volfan76 said:
Then what's your point? if I name Peyton Manning you say he could of been picked that early his junior year and there is no way to know or debate that. Who saved themselves money definitively by going pro their junior year? I think many more cost themselves money by trying to go pro early than ever lost money due to some hypothetical injury possibility.
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The whole situation is hypothetical from either side (yours included). Sure some cost themselves some money by leaving too early, and vice-versa. The point is, if the NFL Draft Advisory Board gives you a 1st or 2nd rd grade, you better consider your options and the pros and cons of staying. Very few are going to improve that grade with another year in school. A 3rd rd grade or lower would leave considerable room for improvement, and most woukd be advised to stay. Bray and Rogers weren't given high grades, still chose to leave, and paid the penalty. The NFL is a job, not a game, and I'm not sure either of them realize the difference.
 
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