'15 JUCO RB Alvin Kamara (UT commit 6/21/14)

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jave36 said:
If Hurd is on the sideline running straight, the defender behind him coming more from the middle of the field who catches him has to run more distance, not less. The defender runs the hypotenus, if you want to get geometric.
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What????? You know they practice angles for reasons right?
 
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Vol Revolver said:
Starting points are not equal. Depends on when and where x begins
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Right, my point was he came from BEHIND him and caught him, which means he ran faster. I realize that sometimes DBs start from ahead and meet them, but Hurd got chased from behind on a long play, which was the original post.
 
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jave36 said:
Right, my point was he came from BEHIND him and caught him, which means he ran faster. I realize that sometimes DBs start from ahead and meet them, but Hurd got chased from behind on a long play, which was the original post.
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Kid was two steps behind not like he made up 5 yards or something. I tell you the truth.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
What????? You know they practice angles for reasons right?
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Geez, why can no one read the word "behind?" If the defender is behind a player, neither have to slow down, and he tackles him, he ran faster. Period.

If a player is in front and takes a proper angle, then he took a proper angle and didn't need to run faster, which is what McNeil needs to work on.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
Kid was two steps behind not like he made up 5 yards or something. I tell you the truth.
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But the original post said "I'm surprised anyone is catching Hurd from behind with all the talk of his 4.3 speed."

No one said Hurd is slow and needs his scholly revoked. Just surprised anyone caught him, even from 2 steps behind.
 
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jave36 said:
But the original post said "I'm surprised anyone is catching Hurd from behind with all the talk of his 4.3 speed."

No one said Hurd is slow and needs his scholly revoked. Just surprised anyone caught him, even from 2 steps behind.
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Who believed he had 4.3 speed? I can see high 4.4 or low 4.5 speed.
 
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BlueHalo said:
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The problem isn't that he can't perform simple math. Obviously we all understand what you're saying.

Hurd stiff arms an OU linebacker, slowing him down slightly near the Tennessee 40 yard line.

Eventual tackler is at UT 44 yard line running full speed.

At this point in time Hurd is running almost East-West, and doesn't get north-south until fully out of the stiff arm move. When he does so at the 45 yard line, the defender is still running full speed at the 46.

The defender manages to catch him (barely) even though he had at minimum a 1 yard advantage on Hurd. I suspect if Hurd didn't lose his speed on the stiff arm he would have pulled away from the defender for a TD. He has excellent top end speed.

In your math scenario, 2 points meeting at an 'x' don't have directional changes, stiff arms, or the ability to maintain speed while diving ahead to catch the guy that just ran by you.
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The other guy had to run farther laterally than Hurd. Maybe Hurd was slowed down, but at one point (45yd line) he was a step or two ahead vertically and the guy made up those steps and came over 3 yards laterally to make the play.

So, mathematically, the guy did run faster than Hurd, because the defender started farther from the sideline and at one point was a step or two behind.

I agree Hurd probably wasn't going full speed yet, which surprised me because he was heralded as a 4.3 guy, and they gain top speed VERY fast. Which is what the OP was all about.
 
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When you run into top programs, you run into other very fast players. That's all there is too it. There will be more players who can run Hurd down. He is still a damn good player.
 
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RiseToTheTop said:
our fans are the worst. they will be negative about anyone and anything.
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I checked out the "Let's talk about Hurd" thread in the football forum. It was really sad, instead of talking about his performance they were complaining about him getting caught and "not having an extra gear" some even said he doesn't have SEC speed.

Then it turned into an argument about angles and became clear that nobody can stand to lose an argument on the internet with people they don't know about something that doesn't matter.

Also why would I even read that? That's the question that needs to be answered not Hurd's speed.
 
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PowerOrange said:
I checked out the "Let's talk about Hurd" thread in the football forum. It was really sad, instead of talking about his performance they were complaining about him getting caught and "not having an extra gear" some even said he doesn't have SEC speed.

Then it turned into an argument about angles and became clear that nobody can stand to lose an argument on the internet with people they don't know about something that doesn't matter.

Also why would I even read that? That's the question that needs to be answered not Hurd's speed.
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To be clear, I'm not in the camp who thinks Hurd isn't great. I think he's amazing. I was just a little surprised he got caught from behind on two plays. I wouldn't trade him for any other freshmen back in the country.
 
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Take out the defender Hurd stuff armed and that's a TD. That is only reason dude had a chance to catch Hurd. That split second was all it took because if he was a split second later he misses Hurd with the dive.
 
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jave36 said:
To be clear, I'm not in the camp who thinks Hurd isn't great. I think he's amazing. I was just a little surprised he got caught from behind on two plays. I wouldn't trade him for any other freshmen back in the country.
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Oh that wasn't directed at you. I was saying that they started a thread to talk about Hurd and that was the end result.
 
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jave36 said:
The other guy had to run farther laterally than Hurd. Maybe Hurd was slowed down, but at one point (45yd line) he was a step or two ahead vertically and the guy made up those steps and came over 3 yards laterally to make the play.

So, mathematically, the guy did run faster than Hurd, because the defender started farther from the sideline and at one point was a step or two behind.

I agree Hurd probably wasn't going full speed yet, which surprised me because he was heralded as a 4.3 guy, and they gain top speed VERY fast. Which is what the OP was all about.
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I give up. But I think we both agree Hurd's speed won't be an issue.
 
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This isn't just a geometry problem. It's also a velocity and acceleration problem. Hurd's a big guy and big guys tend to need a couple of more steps to get to top speed. Where a smaller guy can get to top speed in a few steps.
 
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jave36 said:
Right, my point was he came from BEHIND him and caught him, which means he ran faster. I realize that sometimes DBs start from ahead and meet them, but Hurd got chased from behind on a long play, which was the original post.
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Eh, never mind.
 
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