'15 JUCO RB/CB Jeryl Brazil

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I was thinking that if Brazil ends up a Vol we could all shout GOAAAAAAL every time he scored a touchdown off an interception.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Nope. I wouldn't care if it was $20. I would much rather UT play an extremely tough schedule, play their hearts out and have a losing season. What would a bought Heisman and NC accomplish? A one year excitement for the fans? Big deal. In the long run it would look much worse. Nobody outside of Tennessee would respect either the Heisman or the NC because we bought them.

I cannot even believe a true Vol fan would consider this. I guess that's what happens to fans who have lost all faith in their team. You probably support us buying out of tough OOC games too.
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I would rather not see any more losing seasons at Tennessee, ever. I've already seen more than I care to. There's nothing to this twisted notion of a "bought" victory that you keep talking about - they are already being bought. They have been being bought for decades. Tee Martin was paid. That happened. It doesn't make '98 any less of a championship season. Right now, somewhere in Knoxville, there are Tennessee players being paid. I promise you it's happening, because it happens at every major program in the country. And you know who doesn't care? Me. Because I'm not opposed to them getting a little money. It doesn't make what they do on the field any less significant. By this reasoning, the NFL isn't real football because they get paid to play the game.

I don't know why you're projecting things onto me that simply aren't true beyond venting your own frustrations, but I don't support buying out OOC games at all, so please try to keep your arguments relevant.

And for the record, since I think you misunderstand me, this 200 grand would be paid to a special player or players who, through their exceptional play, would take Tennessee to the 'ship. It's not like you walk up to a counter and hand over your 200 grand and they hand you a crystal ball.
 
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Skullbone said:
I was thinking that if Brazil ends up a Vol we could all shout GOAAAAAAL every time he scored a touchdown off an interception.
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Maybe something like this?

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NashVOL93 said:
I would rather not see any more losing seasons at Tennessee, ever. I've already seen more than I care to. There's nothing to this twisted notion of a "bought" victory that you keep talking about - they are already being bought. They have been being bought for decades. Tee Martin was paid. That happened. It doesn't make '98 any less of a championship season. Right now, somewhere in Knoxville, there are Tennessee players being paid. I promise you it's happening, because it happens at every major program in the country. And you know who doesn't care? Me. Because I'm not opposed to them getting a little money. It doesn't make what they do on the field any less significant. By this reasoning, the NFL isn't real football because they get paid to play the game.

I don't know why you're projecting things onto me that simply aren't true beyond venting your own frustrations, but I don't support buying out OOC games at all, so please try to keep your arguments relevant.

And for the record, since I think you misunderstand me, this 200 grand would be paid to a special player or players who, through their exceptional play, would take Tennessee to the 'ship. It's not like you walk up to a counter and hand over your 200 grand and they hand you a crystal ball.
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Back when we could help recruit players, I had an assistant coach tell me that if I gave extra benefits to a recruit, that I had better be prepared to pay his, " the coach's " salary. I also remember an assistant coach who asked me for $$$ to pay for the delivery of a player's child. I refused, but the next year this coach was fired by Tennessee. Just giving some fats about what goes on. There are honest coaches and dishonest coaches. Tennessee was wining with honest coaches and we will again. Speculation on what goes on is foolish and usually filled with untruths/lies. I think posts similar to yours is irresponsible and short sighted and has no business on this or any other board. Just my opinion which is based on experience.
 
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This whole argument reminds me of the recent sbnation look into bagmen. It made it sound like all SEC teams have them.

If UT has them, I'm ok with that. Mainly because those guys are pretty much acting on their own accord and have no involvement with coaching staffs. Sure, coaches know somebody is out there doing that crap, but they don't know any details and don't want to (this goes for the entire athletic department).

If all "teams" (more like fanbases) are cheating like this, then I don't have a problem with UT bagmen doing this on their own accord. However, I absolutely want no part of a coaching staff or athletic administration who is aware of specifics and deals in that garbage.

What our team needs now more than anything is some stability. Auburn showed take the cheap (or expensive, I guess) way out can pay dividends in the short run, but doesn't bring long term stability. And let's be honest, Auburn got off with what they did because they're auburn, had a national title team, and had a heisman winner who accepted the money. UT would never get away with shady ish like that.

With our luck the NCAA would chose to make us an example of how they can still kill teams to make up for the Auburn and Miami fiascos.
 
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NashVOL93 said:
Have you lost your mind? Are you honestly telling me that if for the simple figure of $200,000 UT could be guaranteed a Heisman and a National Championship you wouldn't pony right up, all in the name of compliance with the regulations of one of the most corrupt and wrong organizations in the history of college athletics?

I don't give a rat's behind about the NCAA. They're a dinosaur and on the way out of relevance. If 200 grand guarantees Tennessee a Heisman and another crystal ball I'd give everything in my wallet right this minute.
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Just checked my wallet....I'm all in with ya.....got $7 for the cause.....bring on that natty!!
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
Back when we could help recruit players, I had an assistant coach tell me that if I gave extra benefits to a recruit, that I had better be prepared to pay his, " the coach's " salary. I also remember an assistant coach who asked me for $$$ to pay for the delivery of a player's child. I refused, but the next year this coach was fired by Tennessee. Just giving some fats about what goes on. There are honest coaches and dishonest coaches. Tennessee was wining with honest coaches and we will again. Speculation on what goes on is foolish and usually filled with untruths/lies. I think posts similar to yours is irresponsible and short sighted and has no business on this or any other board. Just my opinion which is based on experience.
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I doubt most coaches pay players or anyone employed by the universities but most schools have "bag men". This was a recent article going into detail, a pretty good read...

Meet the Bag Man: How to buy college football players, in the words of a man who delivers the money - SBNation.com
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
Back when we could help recruit players, I had an assistant coach tell me that if I gave extra benefits to a recruit, that I had better be prepared to pay his, " the coach's " salary. I also remember an assistant coach who asked me for $$$ to pay for the delivery of a player's child. I refused, but the next year this coach was fired by Tennessee. Just giving some fats about what goes on. There are honest coaches and dishonest coaches. Tennessee was wining with honest coaches and we will again. Speculation on what goes on is foolish and usually filled with untruths/lies. I think posts similar to yours is irresponsible and short sighted and has no business on this or any other board. Just my opinion which is based on experience.
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Opinion: "Your post and others like it have no business on this or any other board"
Fact: I can post whatever I please on this board and as long as its relevant to the thread topic and in compliance with the rules of the site then it has all the business in the world being here.

No offense, but this is why you aren't a board moderator - the topic of compensation of athletes is one of the hottest in college sports today and with the governance changes to the Big 5 power conferences the truth is that this is something we're going to see sooner rather than later. This is literally one of the most relevant things anyone could be talking about on a college athletics message board, so its my opinion that your opinion is the shortsighted and irresponsible one.

You can ignore reality as long as you want, but its happening, right now. It doesn't make our current coaches, who I personally like and admire, dishonest in any way. In all likelihood, they may not even know its happening. It's hard for me to believe that in light of the bagman article and all the other news that's come out recently (Mo Couch, Tyler Bray, others) that you really think this isn't going on when we literally just had a player suspended last season for receiving impermissible benefits. I haven't named anyone particular, nor would I. But it's happening, at every school in the SEC, and at other big schools across the nation. And it's going to keep happening until they can get cost-of-attendance done, but even then it'll never be fully eliminated.

This puritanical idea that its so terrible for the kids to get a few extra bucks is completely ridiculous and has got to go.
 
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NashVOL93 said:
Opinion: "Your post and others like it have no business on this or any other board"
Fact: I can post whatever I please on this board and as long as its relevant to the thread topic and in compliance with the rules of the site then it has all the business in the world being here.

No offense, but this is why you aren't a board moderator - the topic of compensation of athletes is one of the hottest in college sports today and with the governance changes to the Big 5 power conferences the truth is that this is something we're going to see sooner rather than later. This is literally one of the most relevant things anyone could be talking about on a college athletics message board, so its my opinion that your opinion is the shortsighted and irresponsible one.

You can ignore reality as long as you want, but its happening, right now. It doesn't make our current coaches, who I personally like and admire, dishonest in any way. In all likelihood, they may not even know its happening. It's hard for me to believe that in light of the bagman article and all the other news that's come out recently (Mo Couch, Tyler Bray, others) that you really think this isn't going on when we literally just had a player suspended last season for receiving impermissible benefits. I haven't named anyone particular, nor would I. But it's happening, at every school in the SEC, and at other big schools across the nation. And it's going to keep happening until they can get cost-of-attendance done, but even then it'll never be fully eliminated.

This puritanical idea that its so terrible for the kids to get a few extra bucks is completely ridiculous and has got to go.
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I agree with you. It is running rampant throughout college football. Hell it's the reality of all major college sports...and guess what? It isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Do I think it's a problem? Yes and no. I don't see a problem with players getting paid. What the NCAA allows for college athletes is pathetic. I know firsthand having played baseball. But some places are dirtier/shadier than others. I don't think anyone really needs to name names...just look at the past 10 years. Paying players isn't going to go away. It is what it is. If some choose to ignore that it happens then so be it, but it is in fact a very relevant topic when talking about college sports.
 
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ljeller said:
I agree with you. It is running rampant throughout college football. Hell it's the reality of all major college sports...and guess what? It isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Do I think it's a problem? Yes and no. I don't see a problem with players getting paid. What the NCAA allows for college athletes is pathetic. I know firsthand having played baseball. But some places are dirtier/shadier than others. I don't think anyone really needs to name names...just look at the past 10 years. Paying players isn't going to go away. It is what it is. If some choose to ignore that it happens then so be it, but it is in fact a very relevant topic when talking about college sports.
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Not denying that there are cheaters. Always has been and always will be. Some get caught and some do not get caught. Some get the death penalty and some get nothing. All I was saying that it is not rise to condole cheating and support it. Advertising one's dishonesty is not the smartest thing to do. I do not think that one has to cheat to in, but it does take a lot more work and lot longer to build or rebuild a program. I try to teach my children and grandchildren honesty defines the character of a person. If i can not trust an individual, I really have no respect for them. That is one reason why I do not support the efforts which were endorsed by those who wanted Pearl back as our basketball coach. Everybody is doing it is a copout to just one's dishonesty. Again, just my opinion, but it has served me well for 75 years.
 
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The facts of recruiting in the SEC.. 1. SEC teams are at a serious disadvantage in recruiting if they are not "playing the game" 2. The NCAA is the most corrupt billion dollar corporation in America (watch the ESPN documentary Schooled: Price of college sports) 3. Usually coaches are not the ones handling anything concrete, its outside individuals close to the program.

Its not a matter of if programs are giving out benefits, but who and how much. In the SEC most programs are "playing the game" in recruiting.
 
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