'15 LA RB Kendall Bussey (Former UT commit)

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#652
rallen said:
JMO you need 4 good backs for SEC seasons!
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Hurd
Kamara
Scott
RDAIV
Reid, or whoever they replace him with.
Perry/Bruce
Pickett
plus walk-ons

2016

Hurd
Kamara
Scott
Reid/whoever
Perry/Bruce
Walk-ons
Plus 1-2 RBs in the 2016 class.

I don't see an issue at all. JMO

I'd also point out that in 2014 UTs #3 RB had 64 yards.

In 2013 the #3 RB had 115 yards.

In 2012 the #3 RB had 140 yards.

In 2011 the #3 RB had 134 yards.

Obviously the #4 guys had less than that.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Hurd
Kamara
Scott
RDAIV
Reid, or whoever they replace him with.
Perry/Bruce
Pickett
plus walk-ons

2016

Hurd
Kamara
Scott
Reid/whoever
Perry/Bruce
Walk-ons
Plus 1-2 RBs in the 2016 class.

I don't see an issue at all. JMO
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Why are you counting Bruce, Pickett, Perry, and walk ons? We don't know where Bruce and Perry end up. Pickett is a non factor. Walk ons?
 
#654
#654
I do, only 2 proven backs! Look what happened this year. We really only one back the whole season. We need 4 SEC running backs. JMO
 
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#655
Nationdom said:
Why are you counting Bruce, Pickett, Perry, and walk ons? We don't know where Bruce and Perry end up. Pickett is a non factor. Walk ons?
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I mention them as "emergency" RB options. CBJ at least to me has shown that he prefers 1-2 RBs to carry the load. RBs 5-7 IMO will be holding the bench down. Yeah, I'm fine with situational RB/Slot guys(Perry/Bruce) being those guys. Pickett is serviceable if needed. The walk-ons are just bodies, depth, and scout team help.
 
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rallen said:
I do, only 2 proven backs! Look what happened this year. We really only one back the whole season. We need 4 SEC running backs. JMO
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IMO the day CBJ signs them, they are an SEC RB. He would not sign guys if he did not think they could play at Tennessee. I think the idea that UT needs (4) "proven" RBs is something that will usually not play out. If a kid is "proven", then he is either #1 or #2 in this offense. If he is "proven" and is #3 or #4, IMO they will be looking for a transfer. "Proven" SEC RBs won't sit on the bench for long.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
IMO 2 is just fine with the addition of RDAIV. Everyone knows Hurd and Kamara will get the majority of the carries. RSing 1 RB for 2015 IMO is just fine(whoever they take Reid/his replacement). Get 2 good ones next year and we are fine.

I myself think worrying about who your 5th, 6th, or 7th RB is just silly. If you have quality RBs 7 deep, they won't be around long if they are not getting carries. They will be looking at transfer options.
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Remember when you told me you didn't need 4-5 good scholarship rbs coming out of camp? They get dinged up in this league...
 
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#658
I think Butch weeds some of these out! Has to to make numbers work! lol you should know this LV
 
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AV_12 said:
Remember when you told me you didn't need 4-5 good scholarship rbs coming out of camp? They get dinged up in this league...
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I guess that depends on the definition of "good". I'm just not one who thinks your RB roster needs to be much more than 2-3 deep as far as "proven" RBs go. Keeping 4-5 scholarship RBs on the roster? Of course that's fine. A RB can be #4 or #5 and be "good". Just depends on how long he is willing to wait his turn.
 
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rallen said:
I think Butch weeds some of these out! Has to to make numbers work! lol you should know this LV
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So take 3-4 RBs this year so that when Hurd and Kamara get the majority of the reps for the next 2 years, we can cut loose the other 2-3 guys taken this year as they are not "proven" yet to make room for more signees later?

I think I'm getting it now.
 
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rallen said:
No they will play because of injuries.
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When I looked at 2011, 2012, 2013, and 2014 the numbers just did not say that at all. Hurd and Lane this year.

Lane and Neal last year.

Lane and Neal the year before.

Poole and Lane the year before that.

Yes, a 3rd RB does get a few carries. IMO not enough to keep a quality guy around long at all.

I get it that fans like seeing that 6th, 7th, or 8th RB on the roster with a lot of *s by his name. In reality for me anyways it's just wasted space.
 
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#663
I am a HUGE fan of Hurd, but I am far from confident he plays and finishes all 12 reg season games next year. Means that we are one Kamara knock away from being in the EXACT same spot as we are this year until some other guys step up. To this point, no one on the current roster plus RDA and Reid/other recruit can be counted on as a guarantee imo.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
When I looked at 2011, 2012, 2013, and 2014 the numbers just did not say that at all. Hurd and Lane this year.

Lane and Neal last year.

Lane and Neal the year before.

Poole and Lane the year before that.

Yes, a 3rd RB does get a few carries. IMO not enough to keep a quality guy around long at all.

I get it that fans like seeing that 6th, 7th, or 8th RB on the roster with a lot of *s by his name. In reality for me anyways it's just wasted space.
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I think a lot of that (all of that) was out of necessity because we had no one else, similar to this year.
 
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#665
Need
RB
Depth

We lost Hurd vs Vandy and squeaked a win. Imagine if he was missing 1/2 the season. Teams lose their top 2 RB's all the time. If Hurd and Kamara go down, how is next season gonna play out?
 
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ionaVOL said:
I am a HUGE fan of Hurd, but I am far from confident he plays and finishes all 12 reg season games next year. Means that we are one Kamara knock away from being in the EXACT same spot as we are this year until some other guys step up. To this point, no one on the current roster plus RDA and Reid/other recruit can be counted on as a guarantee imo.
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Your two quotes are spot on!:good!:
 
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ionaVOL said:
I think a lot of that (all of that) was out of necessity because we had no one else, similar to this year.
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Fair enough. If I take it a step further and look at CBJ's 3 years at Cinci, the #3 RBs never accounted for more than 145 yards in any of his 3 seasons coaching there.
 
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nicksjuzunk said:
Need
RB
Depth

We lost Hurd vs Vandy and squeaked a win. Imagine if he was missing 1/2 the season. Teams lose their top 2 RB's all the time. If Hurd and Kamara go down, how is next season gonna play out?
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You have Scott, RDAIV, Pickett, Reid/whoever, possibly Paulk(forgot about him)and your walk-ons.

You know, you play the guys you have signed to play.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Fair enough. If I take it a step further and look at CBJ's 3 years at Cinci, the #3 RBs never accounted for more than 145 yards in any of his 3 seasons coaching there.
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Perfect world I am fine with 2 RBs all season. I just don't feel confident currently with our situation. Ideally if Scott had shown anything this year I'd be fine with taking Kamara +1, but until someone else proves they can handle carries I say 3 this class.
 
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I mean the coaches didn't feel confident to give anyone carries other than Hurd, not even Lane until their hand was forced. That should tell you enough about the situation imo.
 
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ionaVOL said:
Perfect world I am fine with 2 RBs all season. I just don't feel confident currently with our situation. Ideally if Scott had shown anything this year I'd be fine with taking Kamara +1, but until someone else proves they can handle carries I say 3 this class.
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I suppose that is what I don't get. Would CBJ have signed Scott if he did not think he could handle playing at UT? Did he need some kind of proof? No. he signed the kid and expects him to produce when it's time. I guess I don't know why the fans can't expect the same.

RB to me is 1 position where TFR can and will contribute when needed. Another reason I am fine with not having big numbers on RB depth. You lose 2-3 in a year to graduation of whatever, at times the TFR coming in can play right away.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Fair enough. If I take it a step further and look at CBJ's 3 years at Cinci, the #3 RBs never accounted for more than 145 yards in any of his 3 seasons coaching there.
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I would bet that his QBs at Cinci were up there in attempts/yards. Zach Collaros ran it quite a bit.

Dobbs will basically be the #3 RB in 2015.

Most likely he will be the 3rd leading rusher attempts/yards.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
I suppose that is what I don't get. Would CBJ have signed Scott if he did not think he could handle playing at UT? Did he need some kind of proof? No. he signed the kid and expects him to produce when it's time. I guess I don't know why the fans can't expect the same.

RB to me is 1 position where TFR can and will contribute when needed. Another reason I am fine with not having big numbers on RB depth. You lose 2-3 in a year to graduation of whatever, at times the TFR coming in can play right away.
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Scott would have been 2nd string this year if the coaches thought he could handle it. I'm not writing him off completely by any means, but for him not to step up and contribute at all this year worries me.

We played a million freshman, but not him at our second biggest position of need. That says a lot to me.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
You have Scott, RDAIV, Pickett, Reid/whoever, possibly Paulk(forgot about him)and your walk-ons.

You know, you play the guys you have signed to play.
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I get what you're saying, but we haven't exactly had s running game the last few years that could carry the load.

I don't know the stats for teams that have been successful, but saying we don't need more than 2 high caliber backs based on the #3 back at UT the last three years is silly. That's like saying Barnett and maggitt has a lot of sacks and vareen didn't have many, so all we need is 2 solid DEs. We need, at a minimum, three backs that are SEC starter quality. Then maybe a #4 that's on the level of a marlin lane. Then you have your "bodies" in there to fill spots.

RDAIV isn't SEC caliber. Neither is Pickett. Is Scott? I hope so. But "playing the guys you sign to play" is why Dooley didn't recruit any OL in 2012
 
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