'15 LA RB Kendall Bussey (Former UT commit)

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LebanonVolunteer said:
At Cincinnati and Central Michigan he also tended to lean on 2 backs barring injury. IMO it's more the norm than teams using 3-4 backs.
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That could have been a function of the quality of the athletes rather than a preference for playing two backs rather than four irrespective of talent. CBJs history with this many quality athletes would be a much more useful basis for analysis. But this is new territory for him in that respect. We will know more in a year or two. But right now, there is no comparable historical precedent.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
3 or 4 depending on who you talk to. It seems Butch told Bruce RB, I'd imagine he told Bussey and Kelly that Bruce is a WR. Jmo
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I don't believe that. He knows he's being recruited as an "athlete" just like Devrin Young was. Wherever they feel they need him the most, that's where he'll get plugged in.

Pretty sure he understands he could get bumped from this class if he were to insist on playing RB, only. They might give him a brief look there in the Spring, depending on who all is healthy (somebody always seems to get dinged up before the O/W game)
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
I don't believe that. He knows he's being recruited as an "athlete" just like Devrin Young was. Wherever they feel they need him the most, that's where he'll get plugged in.

Pretty sure he understands he could get bumped from this class if he were to insist on playing RB, only. They might give him a brief look there in the Spring, depending on who all is healthy (somebody always seems to get dinged up before the O/W game)
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I'm just going on what the kid said. He said UT was signing him as w RB. IMO he would be a situational/ injury option at RB if needed. He'll play in the slot as well.
 
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CWGvol said:
And every team has a couple of guys like that. Is Devrin really a RB? No, but he has been listed there and played there out of need.

Fact is Leb is just holding on to this one quote to further his agenda while ignoring all the other facts about the RB's. Par for the course I guess.
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Speaking of par for the course. LMAO.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
I agree. 1-2 backs a year makes sense. Less attrition that way as well. When you take 3RBs like they did last year it tends to go bad. They look to he doing it again this year. Unfortunately, I expect it to go bad.
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Revisionist history IMO.... It actually worked out that we needed more not less. If we use your theory then Hurd should have decommitted since we took Scott. Then where would we be?

Not to mention you take more when trying to REBUILD a roster!! We can't stick to 2 and act like 3 is a lot 2 years from now.
 
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I figured why not, I'll do some checking. I looked at all 14 SEC teams stats last year. I looked for the 3rd and 4th leading rusher RB wise for each school. I added all the #3 guys and as a group they averaged 3.48 carries a game for the year. The #4 guys as a group averaged 1.58 carries a game for the year. Just some numbers for thought.
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You can't look at all 14 SEC teams, not every team in the SEC is considered elite. You have to look historically at top teams, and see who they had as their 3rd or even 4th RB. You have to consider teams that run the spread read-option (UT, AUB, MSST) basically have an extra RB in their QB. So those teams 2nd RB is in essence their 3rd RB. Also, carries per game doesn't matter as much as yards per carry and TDs.

Just last year though with teams I considered to have elite SEC backfields:

UGA: Gurley, Chubb, Michel (Would have also had Marshall if he wasn't hurt)
Michel - 6.4 yards/carry and 5 TDs

LSU: Fournette, Magee, Hilliard, Williams
Hilliard - 5 yards/carry and 6 TDs

Bama: Henry, Yeldon, Drake, Fowler, Sims
Drake - 5.1 yards/carry and 4 TDs

Aub: Artis-Payne, Marshall, Grant
Grant - 6.1 yards/carry and 3 TDs

Ark: Collins, Williams, Marshall
Marshall - 4.8 yards/carry and 1 TD (Collins and Williams were both 1000 yard rushers)

MSST: Robinson, Prescott, Shumpert
Shumpert - 5.8 yards/carry and 2 TDs

UT (Once Dobbs Started): Hurd, Dobbs, Lane
Lane - 3.5 yards/carry and 1 TD
(Easily the worst of these, I just included us for show.)

Look at when we had really elite backfields:

1989-2004 - Cobb, Webb, Thompson, 'Little Man' Stewart, Hayden, Garner, Mose Phillips, Graham, Mark Levine, Lewis, Henry, Bryson, Stephens, Houston, Riggs Jr., Jabari Davis, Corey Larkins, Derrick Tinsley (WR/RB), also had Arian Foster as a FR in '04, but he didn't play.

We had 3-4 of those guys playing every single one of those years. Yes, Graham in '95 and '96 and Stephens in '01 were more feature backs, but all the rest of those years was RB by committee. And we were awesome.
 
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JDisThereThere said:
You can't look at all 14 SEC teams, not every team in the SEC is considered elite. You have to look historically at top teams, and see who they had as their 3rd or even 4th RB. You have to consider teams that run the spread read-option (UT, AUB, MSST) basically have an extra RB in their QB. So those teams 2nd RB is in essence their 3rd RB. Also, carries per game doesn't matter as much as yards per carry and TDs.

Just last year though with teams I considered to have elite SEC backfields:

UGA: Gurley, Chubb, Michel (Would have also had Marshall if he wasn't hurt)
Michel - 6.4 yards/carry and 5 TDs

LSU: Fournette, Magee, Hilliard, Williams
Hilliard - 5 yards/carry and 6 TDs

Bama: Henry, Yeldon, Drake, Fowler, Sims
Drake - 5.1 yards/carry and 4 TDs

Aub: Artis-Payne, Marshall, Grant
Grant - 6.1 yards/carry and 3 TDs

Ark: Collins, Williams, Marshall
Marshall - 4.8 yards/carry and 1 TD (Collins and Williams were both 1000 yard rushers)

MSST: Robinson, Prescott, Shumpert
Shumpert - 5.8 yards/carry and 2 TDs

UT (Once Dobbs Started): Hurd, Dobbs, Lane
Lane - 3.5 yards/carry and 1 TD
(Easily the worst of these, I just included us for show.)

Look at when we had really elite backfields:

1989-2004 - Cobb, Webb, Thompson, 'Little Man' Stewart, Hayden, Garner, Mose Phillips, Graham, Mark Levine, Lewis, Henry, Bryson, Stephens, Houston, Riggs Jr., Jabari Davis, Corey Larkins, Derrick Tinsley (WR/RB), also had Arian Foster as a FR in '04, but he didn't play.

We had 3-4 of those guys playing every single one of those years. Yes, Graham in '95 and '96 and Stephens in '01 were more feature backs, but all the rest of those years was RB by committee. And we were awesome.
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Of course I did not count QB carries as RB carries in my numbers. All QB carries equate to are less RB carries to go around. Also I'm not sure what yards per carry matter at all. Theses kids are looking for carries period. I'd venture to guess a kid would be more content averaging 2.2 yards a carry while getting 95 of them vs averaging 9.5 yards a carry and getting 20 of them. Tell a RB how many times he carries it doesn't matter. My guess is he will look at you like you're crazy.
 
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JDisThereThere said:
You can't look at all 14 SEC teams, not every team in the SEC is considered elite. You have to look historically at top teams, and see who they had as their 3rd or even 4th RB. You have to consider teams that run the spread read-option (UT, AUB, MSST) basically have an extra RB in their QB. So those teams 2nd RB is in essence their 3rd RB. Also, carries per game doesn't matter as much as yards per carry and TDs.

Just last year though with teams I considered to have elite SEC backfields:

UGA: Gurley, Chubb, Michel (Would have also had Marshall if he wasn't hurt)
Michel - 6.4 yards/carry and 5 TDs

LSU: Fournette, Magee, Hilliard, Williams
Hilliard - 5 yards/carry and 6 TDs

Bama: Henry, Yeldon, Drake, Fowler, Sims
Drake - 5.1 yards/carry and 4 TDs

Aub: Artis-Payne, Marshall, Grant
Grant - 6.1 yards/carry and 3 TDs

Ark: Collins, Williams, Marshall
Marshall - 4.8 yards/carry and 1 TD (Collins and Williams were both 1000 yard rushers)

MSST: Robinson, Prescott, Shumpert
Shumpert - 5.8 yards/carry and 2 TDs

UT (Once Dobbs Started): Hurd, Dobbs, Lane
Lane - 3.5 yards/carry and 1 TD
(Easily the worst of these, I just included us for show.)

Look at when we had really elite backfields:

1989-2004 - Cobb, Webb, Thompson, 'Little Man' Stewart, Hayden, Garner, Mose Phillips, Graham, Mark Levine, Lewis, Henry, Bryson, Stephens, Houston, Riggs Jr., Jabari Davis, Corey Larkins, Derrick Tinsley (WR/RB), also had Arian Foster as a FR in '04, but he didn't play.

We had 3-4 of those guys playing every single one of those years. Yes, Graham in '95 and '96 and Stephens in '01 were more feature backs, but all the rest of those years was RB by committee. And we were awesome.
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Oddly, A&M didn't even make that list. They have been loaded at RB since Sumlin came in there but they don't really utilize that position very well. I don't get what they are selling to this kid.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Of course I did not count QB carries as RB carries in my numbers. Also I'm not sure what yards per carry matter at all. Theses kids are looking for carries period. I'd venture to guess a kid would be more content averaging 2.2 yards a carry while getting 95 of them vs averaging 9.5 yards a carry and getting 20 of them. Tell a RB how many times he carries it doesn't matter. My guess is he will look at you like you're crazy.
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Then why haven't all those guys I mentioned transferred? Quality over quantity. Elite players want to play for elite winning programs.
 
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ntxVOL said:
Oddly, A&M didn't even make that list. They have been loaded at RB since Sumlin came in there but they don't really utilize that position very well. I don't get what they are selling to this kid.
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Yeah I forgot about them, they've had 3 good backs every year Sumlin has been there, and they basically run an air raid.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Of course I did not count QB carries as RB carries in my numbers. All QB carries equate to are less RB carries to go around. Also I'm not sure what yards per carry matter at all. Theses kids are looking for carries period. I'd venture to guess a kid would be more content averaging 2.2 yards a carry while getting 95 of them vs averaging 9.5 yards a carry and getting 20 of them. Tell a RB how many times he carries it doesn't matter. My guess is he will look at you like you're crazy.
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You've also got to think about total touches, catches matter too ya know.
 
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Imo kids were more inclined to wait their turn 10-15 years ago. Now a day's it's tougher to make a talented kid just sit. Kids know they can get drafted out of NCState or Rutgers just as easily as they can out of UT or A&M if they show out on the field.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
They do. If the kids not getting many carries, he's probably not catching many balls either.
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:blink: Honestly, it really baffles me how much you criticize Butch's recruiting. Truly mind-boggling.

And I'm not one of these who say you can't critique the Coaching staff, but Butch and Co. are doing it as well as anybody in the country. Yet it's still not good enough for you.
 
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:blink: Honestly, it really baffles me how much you criticize Butch's recruiting. Truly mind-boggling.

And I'm not one of these who say you can't critique the Coaching staff, but Butch and Co. are doing it as well as anybody in the country. Yet it's still not good enough for you.
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The recruiting is fine. He is signing talent. He is just over signing too much for my liking. Too many kids bailing too quickly. The fans think it's 1997 and kids will just quietly wait. Obviously if you are watching what is going on here in 2015, maybe not so much.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
The recruiting is fine. He is signing talent. He is just over signing too much for my liking. Too many kids bailing too quickly. The fans think it's 1997 and kids will just quietly wait. Obviously if you are watching what is going on here in 2015, maybe not so much.
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Also, the recruiting is fine? Just fine? If this if just fine recruiting, I can't wait until I see some great or even excellent recruiting. LOL. You really are Dooley in disguise.

Nobody ever gets every evaluation correct. There has never been a perfect recruiting class. Besides, we are still rebuilding, we could use a little oversigning.
 
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