'15 NC RB Bryce Love

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SobeVol said:
Agreed there however I believe part of that responsibility is also on the athlete. They should have known classes are part of college and the could have attended.
I doubt love ( much like Dobbs) would allow himself not to go to classes. So to me it's a mute point.
Truth is you get out of school what you put in. You make it what you want.
I think he can get a good education at any of these schools. But to deny the UNC excells academically is foolish. If the athlete choses not to take ownership of his education, it is on him, at least in part.
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How exactly does one go to a class that doesn't even exist?
 
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OGbabyaviVol said:
While that might be true, you still are missing my point. The point is that there is a huge academic scandal going on in the athletic department. The perception of that for any recruit going there and thinking that they will get a great education is very poor right now. I would almost guarantee that if an athlete from North Carolina is trying to get a job, I wouldn't doubt that the degree from there is not looked at as highly as it once was… This is for athletes alone, not the rest of the student body. JMO of course.
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Actually if I recall correctly only about half of the 3200 or so reported cases were by athletes so the other half was normal run of the mill students. So even the people with degrees from that time period should be viewed skeptically. Honestly though at this point these people all will likely have had a job and proven to either be good or bad employees and their degree will be moot to a degree
 
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The battle for Love also still seems to be a bit of a toss-up between Tennessee and Stanford with his scheduled announcement on Jan. 30 now less than three weeks away. Love tweeted Saturday that he has been accepted into Stanford, and there’s no question that could play a bit of a factor in his final decision. The rigorous academic standards at Stanford sometimes add a bit of uncertainty to the recruiting process for some prospects, and Love now knows that he has the option of playing for the Cardinal. But geography still is working in Tennessee’s favor in what essentially has become a two-team race, and the Vols are expected to make a strong academic sales pitch to Love when they host him on an official visit the weekend of Jan. 23. He’s scheduled to visit Stanford this weekend.

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DaddyChad said:
How exactly does one go to a class that doesn't even exist?
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Good lord some of ypou people would argue with a door knob!
My point is IF THE ATHLETE WANTS A FREAKING EDUCATION THEY CAN/DO GO TO CLASS. I assure you some of them that I personally knew did attend classes. I agree that the credibility at UNC is lost with regards to the athletic department. I in fact even as a UNC alum would agree that due to the clear involvement of the the athletic department in allowing such grievous transgressions to occur, that they honestly deserve the death penalty for all sports involved.
My point was that UNC has excellent academics. If a player choses to go to class (which clearly some did not) the academics are as good as anywhere.
one must also discredit the athlete. He/she knew going to college they were supposed to go to class. The fact that they chose to accept not going is an indictment on their integrity as well .
I am fairly sure Mr Love would not have allowed this.
That being said, love in my opinion is not going to UNC (or knoxville for that matter).
I hope I'm wrong,but trying to imply that UNC is a poor academic university is just ignorant!
 
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Madkins8 said:
The University of Tennessee has been around since before Tennessee was a state
, so I seriously doubt it has strayed from a mission of serving state residents.

Also, UT has one of the lowest OOS rates of any peer school (SEC and geographically similar). UT is heavily focused on in-state students, just better ones than it has in the past, which is the best-case scenario for the state. Like Butch, we are keeping 4* talent in-state.
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This is likely because UT is essentially free to decent instate students. Not sure that can be said for most of the other SEC schools though I know UF is traditionally dirt cheap as far as tuition (and likely women) is concerned...
 
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no its not. ive been around it my entire life. itscall hype. very good school. thats it

Love will be a Vol. sticking with it til i hear something to otherwise change my feeling.
 
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SobeVol said:
Good lord some of ypou people would argue with a door knob!
My point is IF THE ATHLETE WANTS A FREAKING EDUCATION THEY CAN/DO GO TO CLASS. I assure you some of them that I personally knew did attend classes. I agree that the credibility at UNC is lost with regards to the athletic department. I in fact even as a UNC alum would agree that due to the clear involvement of the the athletic department in allowing such grievous transgressions to occur, that they honestly deserve the death penalty for all sports involved.
My point was that UNC has excellent academics. If a player choses to go to class (which clearly some did not) the academics are as good as anywhere.
one must also discredit the athlete. He/she knew going to college they were supposed to go to class. The fact that they chose to accept not going is an indictment on their integrity as well .
I am fairly sure Mr Love would not have allowed this.
That being said, love in my opinion is not going to UNC (or knoxville for that matter).
I hope I'm wrong,but trying to imply that UNC is a poor academic university is just ignorant!
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You mad? :eek:lol:

UNC is a place where you can get a great education, no doubt. However a lot of the perception as a great academic institution is undermined by a program engaging in such academic improprieties.
 
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I think Love is really torn. Academically he would love to attend Stanford. I think he would love to attend Tennessee for football ( the tradition, hype, part of the rebuild, play in the SEC, closer to home, etc. ). I love that we are getting the last official. That could be the difference here. Lots of Tennessee love all around. Show him your love Tennessee fans. Don't you just love this time of year?
 
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Probably_in_Class said:
I believe UNC is a top 5 or at least top 10 public university. That's excellent by most measures.
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griddie said:
no its not. ive been around it my entire life. itscall hype. very good school. thats it

Love will be a Vol. sticking with it til i hear something to otherwise change my feeling.
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Griddie, that may be your opinion, but US News ranks UNC Chapel Hill as the #5 public university in the nation, and Forbes ranked it the #8 public university and #38 overall in 2013.

To note, Forbes also included the US Service Academies; US Military Academy, Naval Academy, and Air Force Academy in their rankings ahead of UNC, accounting for the difference in the US News and Forbes rankings.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Griddie, that may be your opinion, but US News ranks UNC Chapel Hill as the #5 public university in the nation, and Forbes ranked it the #8 public university and #38 overall in 2013.

To note, Forbes also included the US Service Academies; US Military Academy, Naval Academy, and Air Force Academy in their rankings ahead of UNC, accounting for the difference in the US News and Forbes rankings.
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You omitted that UNC is #1 in academic fraud investigations.
 
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onevol74 said:
You omitted that UNC is #1 in academic fraud investigations.
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I'll assume that fewer than 5-10% of UNC students are athletes. Joe College, Political Science major, is most likely earning his degree on the up and up, but feel free to disagree.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I'll assume that fewer than 5-10% of UNC students are athletes. Joe College, Political Science major, is most likely earning his degree on the up and up, but feel free to disagree.
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So we should only question the integrity of 5-10% of the graduates? UNC athletics wiped their anus with the academic integrity of the college.
 
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DaddyChad said:
So we should only question the integrity of 5-10% of the graduates? UNC athletics wiped their anus with the academic integrity of the college.
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athletes make up less than 1% of the UNC population and the majority do attend classes.
There is no denying by any measure that UNC is an EXCELLENT university and has been consistently been ranked in the top 10 public universities for more than thirty years. That argument just won't work.
To your point however, if the athletic department in any way condoned or facilitated the academic transgressions involving even a single player, then in my opinion as an alum it weakens my degree and is a travesty.
I honestly believe that these transgression if proven true, warrant the strictest penalty allowed, as I agree with you that it undermines what the entire concept of collegiate athletics. This is far worse than signing jerseys, buying tacos, or even paying players in my opinion.
I don't think UNC is in the hunt for Love for these and other reasons. Stanford however I think pulls this. If he posted his excitement over being "accepted", that means Stanford. I hope Butch and the boys can lure him away, maybe mentor him with Dobbs. The combination of style between his speed and elusiveness and Hurd's punishment is very attractive.
If we could pull he and a solid OT, I would be celebrating a huge victory for UT recruiting.
(they have already put together a spectacular class)

The real question is do we know anything recent about interest between he and UT or Stanford?
 
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SobeVol said:
athletes make up less than 1% of the UNC population and the majority do attend classes.
There is no denying by any measure that UNC is an EXCELLENT university and has been consistently been ranked in the top 10 public universities for more than thirty years. That argument just won't work.
To your point however, if the athletic department in any way condoned or facilitated the academic transgressions involving even a single player, then in my opinion as an alum it weakens my degree and is a travesty.
I honestly believe that these transgression if proven true, warrant the strictest penalty allowed, as I agree with you that it undermines what the entire concept of collegiate athletics. This is far worse than signing jerseys, buying tacos, or even paying players in my opinion.
I don't think UNC is in the hunt for Love for these and other reasons. Stanford however I think pulls this. If he posted his excitement over being "accepted", that means Stanford. I hope Butch and the boys can lure him away, maybe mentor him with Dobbs. The combination of style between his speed and elusiveness and Hurd's punishment is very attractive.
If we could pull he and a solid OT, I would be celebrating a huge victory for UT recruiting.
(they have already put together a spectacular class)

The real question is do we know anything recent about interest between he and UT or Stanford?
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No one cares about your UNC degree, but you.
 
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85SugarVol said:
No one cares about your UNC degree, but you.
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If it failed your reading comprehension. The topic of discussion is the academic draw toward one of three schools by Mr Love.
My degree is only mentioned in reference that I have more vested interest than any of these people discussing it, and even I believe that UNC deserves the worst possible punishment.
I am just as proud of all three of my degrees from UT.
As to your retaliatory tone...Go **** yourself!
 
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