'15 TN ATH Jaylond Woods (UT Commit 4/20/13)

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LebanonVolunteer said:
A couple weeks notice huh? Been committed for almost 2 years, but give em a couple weeks notice to restart the whole recruiting process which they shut down as they were sold on being a Vol, because they trusted the coaches. Yeah, I have a problem with that.

If a recruit is not taking visits, has shut down their recruitment, and are not talking with other schools, that says committed. Yes, I agree recruits can de-commit. You won't usually see a kid de-commit who is not still shopping himself around. Throwing all kids into the same pot IMO is not an accurate depiction of the process when it comes to using the idea of "drop the lower rated guys for higher rated guys because they all may de-commit:".

The fact is it does cause harm, especially if it's instate. Anyone who thinks it does not burn bridges to take a commitment from an instate kid and then drop him for nothing more than a kid with another * by his name closer to NSD is just not paying attention.

You think dropping (4) instate kids, 3 of which seeming have no "issues" whatsoever will just be cool with everyone involved? As a "fan" I suppose you can be alright with it as you have no skin in the game. I myself like to see at least a shred of integrity once and a while from the coaches.
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You keep looking at it from an ethics stand point, and forget that it's primarily a BUSINESS. Sure ehtics play some role, but what about guys like Kevin Mouton, last year? He was even a 4* LB. But I think the staff cooled on him as the season went on...and asked him to look around.

It's an ugly prospect, but it's just like breaking up with a girlfriend. You stop calling...they get the message and you both move on

....."but. but. but....you can't do that". She's been cooking you dinner, buying you stuff. And ya'll been dating for a year." :salute:
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
You keep looking at it from an ethics stand point, and forget that it's primarily a BUSINESS. Sure ehtics play some role, but what about guys like Kevin Mouton, last year? He was even a 4* LB. But I think the staff cooled on him as the season went on...and asked him to look around.

It's an ugly prospect, but it's just like breaking up with a girlfriend. You stop calling...they get the message and you both move on

....."but. but. but....you can't do that". She's been cooking you dinner, buying you stuff. And ya'll been dating for a year." :salute:
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If memory serves me correctly, Mouhon went to Cincinnati to play there with his brother, after his father got real ill and died.
 
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volunteer2 said:
If memory serves me correctly, Mouhon went to Cincinnati to play there with his brother, after his father got real ill and died.
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Yeah, Mouhon was always one of the kids I was not so sure he was told to "look elsewhere". His brother at Cinci could have very well played into that decision.

There were others I'm curious about as well. Powell was always a risk to flip/stick instate(FL). With Lauderdale I was curious if the dreaded SEC math class did not play into that one. Lee IMO was just worried about depth. Booth wanted to be an EE. Lambert IMO was just shady in his recruitment. JMO on some of what MAY have happened with kids who were at one time committed to UT last class.
 
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AboveAllNations said:
As long as a coaching staff gives a "commit" a couple of weeks notice before national signing day, I don't think it's so bad to revoke the scholarship offer. A recruit can decommit if a better school offers; why can't a coaching staff revoke a scholarship offer if a better recruit commits? Neither party has actually "committed" to anything until NSD.

I also don't think its so bad to offer scholarships / accept commitments from in-state kids who might not ultimately be good enough to sign with the team. Ideally, those kids might be diamonds in the rough who blossom into valuable contributors. At the very least, those players can be proud of the fact that they earned a scholarship offer from a top notch program (if only for a limited time) and can use that to attract offers from other schools.

No harm no foul, in my opinion. With that being said, I can see us revoking offers to Woods, Lovingame, Bruce, and maybe even Dylan Jackson, depending on who we can get later this fall.
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"Damn, Tennessee pulled my offer. Guess I'll have to choose between Stanford and Alabama now"

-Something Dylan Jackson will never say
 
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nicksjuzunk said:
Teague. That rare, 4 year player, whose first game was the high point of his career
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Teague was not an SEC caliber athlete. Unfortunately we had way too many marginal players occupy a scholarship over a 4-5 year period during Dooley's tenure. It is quite amazing how 3 years ago quality football players wouldn't sniff Knoxville. The people truly make the place. Thank goodness for Dave Hart having the foresite to hire Butch Jones. Love the direction our program is headed.
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lilesrt said:
Teague was not an SEC caliber athlete. Unfortunately we had way too many marginal players occupy a scholarship over a 4-5 year period during Dooley's tenure. It is quite amazing how 3 years ago quality football players wouldn't sniff Knoxville. The people truly make the place. Thank goodness for Dave Hart having the foresite to hire Butch Jones. Love the direction our program is headed.
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I know he did not work out well at Tennessee, but I always wonder if it had something to do with him being moved around so much. Tough for a kid to find a grove when he's always having to relearn another position. If you look at his offer list when he signed with UT: Bama, Clemson, Michigan, Ole Miss, Florida, Georgia Tech, Vandy, and the Vols. Some pretty good schools felt he was a player.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
I know he did not work out well at Tennessee, but I always wonder if it had something to do with him being moved around so much. Tough for a kid to find a grove when he's always having to relearn another position. If you look at his offer list when he signed with UT: Bama, Clemson, Michigan, Ole Miss, Florida, Georgia Tech, Vandy, and the Vols. Some pretty good schools felt he was a player.
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I agree LV...I always felt he could have been a special offensive player. It's a shame stuff like that happens and kids get moved around so much to never realize their full potential.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
A couple weeks notice huh? Been committed for almost 2 years, but give em a couple weeks notice to restart the whole recruiting process which they shut down as they were sold on being a Vol, because they trusted the coaches. Yeah, I have a problem with that.

If a recruit is not taking visits, has shut down their recruitment, and are not talking with other schools, that says committed. Yes, I agree recruits can de-commit. You won't usually see a kid de-commit who is not still shopping himself around. Throwing all kids into the same pot IMO is not an accurate depiction of the process when it comes to using the idea of "drop the lower rated guys for higher rated guys because they all may de-commit:".

The fact is it does cause harm, especially if it's instate. Anyone who thinks it does not burn bridges to take a commitment from an instate kid and then drop him for nothing more than a kid with another * by his name closer to NSD is just not paying attention.

You think dropping (4) instate kids, 3 of which seeming have no "issues" whatsoever will just be cool with everyone involved? As a "fan" I suppose you can be alright with it as you have no skin in the game. I myself like to see at least a shred of integrity once and a while from the coaches.
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Room is made for better players. It happens all the time, every year. For someone who seems to follow recruiting you should know this. It doesn't matter if they are in state kids or not. You seem to think its just because another player has an extra * by his name. Its not. Obviously the coaches see something that is better in another player.

Just because someone has been committed for a long time or shut things down or is an in state recruit, that is irrelevant. CBJ wants the best players for our team. Since you trust the coaches who took these commitments in the first place, why wouldn't you trust them if they asked some of these commitments to go elsewhere to make room for better players? Its not about stargazing. Its about the coaches recognizing a better player and wanting them more. There is nothing wrong with that.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
I know he did not work out well at Tennessee, but I always wonder if it had something to do with him being moved around so much. Tough for a kid to find a grove when he's always having to relearn another position. If you look at his offer list when he signed with UT: Bama, Clemson, Michigan, Ole Miss, Florida, Georgia Tech, Vandy, and the Vols. Some pretty good schools felt he was a player.
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Yeah. I see what you are saying. Personally, I think he could have been more productive at WR than on defense. He had a few solid performances as a true freshman in Lane Kiffin's offense. Lack of quality defensive players played a huge role in his underproduction. The same could be said for Vincent Dallas. Just as soon as he established a foothold at WR, he was "asked" to play defense. How successful can a player be under those circumstances? Apparently not very. Also, in regard to Marsalis, his overall speed did not progress as it should have at the SEC level. The kid got burned NUMEROUS times.
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He won't be an early impact guy. I think he can provide depth into his jr and sr year.

He is very talented, but has never been coached. Hell, he doesn't even lift weights (at all).

Tons of potential imo. Remember, CBJ wasn't the only staff that liked him. Clemson, Texas, Ohio state, all showed interest as well, he just shut his recruitment up super early and doesn't really camp and stuff.

With all this being said, I think he ends up in JUCO.
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I am not high on cutting a kid loose when a commitment has been accepted and the kid holds up his end of the bargain. However, if the kid hasn't worked hard (not lifting or hitting the books) then he hasn't held up his end IMO.
 
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VirginiaCoach said:
I am not high on cutting a kid loose when a commitment has been accepted and the kid holds up his end of the bargain. However, if the kid hasn't worked hard (not lifting or hitting the books) then he hasn't held up his end IMO.
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That is where I am as well. Unless a kid does something to shine a negative light on himself or UT, his commitment should be honored no matter what other "higher rated" guys may want to jump onboard late. If the rumors of character/grade issues prove to be true even with instate kids, I have no problem in taking someone else at the spot.
 
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VirginiaCoach said:
I am not high on cutting a kid loose when a commitment has been accepted and the kid holds up his end of the bargain. However, if the kid hasn't worked hard (not lifting or hitting the books) then he hasn't held up his end IMO.
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It'll all work out at the end. If he values playing time, I think it would be in his best interest to look elsewhere anyway. Torrance Gibson plays Woods exact position so we will not need both.
 
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BleedingButch said:
It'll all work out at the end. If he values playing time, I think it would be in his best interest to look elsewhere anyway. Torrance Gibson plays Woods exact position so we will not need both.
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I don't think so. TG would be a WR on the outside. Woods would be a slot guy or a CB. IMO Van Jefferson will be the one taking Woods spot IF the staff has decided to move on from Jaylond. Jefferson could probably play either slot or out wide, but I think his 6'2 sets him up well to play inside as a possession receiver type guy. JMO
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
I don't think so. TG would be a WR on the outside. Woods would be a slot guy or a CB. IMO Van Jefferson will be the one taking Woods spot IF the staff has decided to move on from Jaylond. Jefferson could probably play either slot or out wide, but I think his 6'2 sets him up well to play inside as a possession receiver type guy. JMO
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was a joke

edit: not a good one
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
I know he did not work out well at Tennessee, but I always wonder if it had something to do with him being moved around so much. Tough for a kid to find a grove when he's always having to relearn another position. If you look at his offer list when he signed with UT: Bama, Clemson, Michigan, Ole Miss, Florida, Georgia Tech, Vandy, and the Vols. Some pretty good schools felt he was a player.
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Florida wanted him badly. If I recall correctly, it came down to them and UT.
 
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"He has changed schools and is at Clinton now. I think there is some waiting to see how he does academically and things. So we will see how firm everything is on both sides in the coming weeks."

-Hubbs
 
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Hubbs just said there is a "real chance" Woods is not a part of this class in the end.

JMO, I think the 2 specialists end up blue shirting and Woods is let go.
 
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That would drop us back to 21 guys

Tuttle, Richmond, Phillips, Jefferson, Sapp, Martin/Abernathy. Means 2 more guys may not be with us when the LOIs are faxed in.
 
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Man, I hope we get Abernathy or Martin. Obviously I want to get a commitment from Shy, Drew, Van. And I think Phillips is going to ignore his instate and family Vol fans status and become a corn dog.
Sapp or Atkinson, either would be nice for the last Lb spot,but I've kind of been on Team Sapp for awhile. Thank the Vol gods we have Cherry and Austin, two BadA$& LBs.

Abernathy would be nice to have for 4 years, good size and speed. Highly sought after CB
Martin, I believe would be two years, no more thn 3, superb size and speed, 6'2" 4.4-40.
Could come in and be the main stay we need next to Cam.
Both guys are really talented, you have to believe CBJ will get one of them. I'd be extremely thankful for either one lol.
 
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Austin Price@AustinPriceless 5m
BREAKING: Sources confirmed that Clinton athlete Jaylond Woods has been ruled Ineligible by the TSSAA. Clinton is appealing the decision.
 
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