'15 TN ATH Jocquez Bruce (UT commit 6/17/14)

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Bruce will definitely be on the offensive side of the ball. Not very physical. Good route runner. Not a burner but he is quick.
 
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steino said:
Bruce will definitely be on the offensive side of the ball. Not very physical. Good route runner. Not a burner but he is quick.
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That's where I would want him as well. That's where he has the best instincts.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Oh I know. Anyone can get ear holed and especially kids who are 5'9 and a buck sixty. Just posted the clip showing he CAN be physical.
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I've seen him lay a few hard licks the past two seasons. I'd say his physicality for his size is a strength.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Yes, but he did sign them. Tough to look back and claim, "well these ones don't count". That's BS. If the coaches did not think they could contribute, they would not have taken them.
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This may be the dumbest post you have ever made. Some real ignorance here! They took what they could at the time in the first year. They all have to do it and u know it. As for the rest of those guys, all aren't a miss as far as talent is concerned.... like Ferguson and Harris. Plus there are always a few who don't pan out at every program. Looks like Ellis is progressing as well, so you're writing off players that we knew would need to be developed.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
It's not really that hard.

Jason Carr
Woody Quinn
Malik Brown
Paul Harris
Riyahd Jones
Lemond Johnson
Riley Ferguson
Trayvon Paulk

Those are just some that come to mind. Signed and for various reasons have not/did not make much if any impact.

That being said most know I am 100% fine with this commitment.
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Paulk is only guy on your list that Butch had time to truly evaluate. He has talent but ran into the wrong issue at the wrong time.The other guys were rushed and just trying to find connections to guys to fill out a class and hope you hit on a few. Johnson and Jones had relationships with Martinez and Thigpen at Auburn. Ferguson, Carr, Harris were already committed. Quinn was already pretty deep in convos with dooleys staff and seeing desparate need of TE he took him. Carr was a no brainer with his offer list to keep. Staff admitted publicly Harris isn't really the type of WR they recruit and applauded his effort while he was here. Our recruitment of Dobbs shows you they weren't fully on board with Ferguson.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
It's not really that hard.

Jason Carr
Woody Quinn
Malik Brown
Paul Harris
Riyahd Jones
Lemond Johnson
Riley Ferguson
Trayvon Paulk

Those are just some that come to mind. Signed and for various reasons have not/did not make much if any impact.

That being said most know I am 100% fine with this commitment.
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Yes, because so many turn to you for guidance when we are unsure of a commit....said nobody ever...
 
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CWGvol said:
This may be the dumbest post you have ever made. Some real ignorance here! They took what they could at the time in the first year. They all have to do it and u know it. As for the rest of those guys, all aren't a miss as far as talent is concerned.... like Ferguson and Harris. Plus there are always a few who don't pan out at every program. Looks like Ellis is progressing as well, so you're writing off players that we knew would need to be developed.
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You're starting to look like a stalker again. If you are always going to disagree with what I have to say and then follow it up with name calling and or insults, it might be better for you to just click the ignore button. I promise I won't be offended. :thumbsup:
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
You're starting to look like a stalker again. If you are always going to disagree with what I have to say and then follow it up with name calling and or insults, it might be better for you to just click the ignore button. I promise I won't be offended. :thumbsup:
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I knew the stalker comment was coming, as you use it with everybody all the time. The fact is, you're in nearly every thread and cannot be avoided. We all know the ignore button doesn't work, especially with someone attacked as much as you. You get quoted all the time. Great rebuttal by the way!
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Yes, but he did sign them. Tough to look back and claim, "well these ones don't count". That's BS. If the coaches did not think they could contribute, they would not have taken them.
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I'm sorry but that's just nonsense Leb and you know it. There simply isn't time to build a better class at that late in the recruiting cycle. I fully think we should hold the coaches accountable IF they have other options but the fact is we really didn't at that point.

It's like locking a dog in a room for a day and being mad because he takes a crap there. Your entitled to your opinion but I cannot believe that you actually think that Jones had any alternative but to roll with the class that Dooley had built for the most part.
 
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DaddyChad said:
I'm sorry but that's just nonsense Leb and you know it. There simply isn't time to build a better class at that late in the recruiting cycle. I fully think we should hold the coaches accountable IF they have other options but the fact is we really didn't at that point.

It's like locking a dog in a room for a day and being mad because he takes a crap there. Your entitled to your opinion but I cannot believe that you actually think that Jones had any alternative but to roll with the class that Dooley had built for the most part.
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If CBJ did not think the kids could play in the SEC and or contribute to winning he should not have signed them. For me it's just that simple. The guys who are doing well we will call CBJ guys huh? The guys who are not we'll just chalk those up to CBJ being forced to just take them. I suppose if someone is looking for a built in excuse for losing, they could roll with that.

I responded to a comment that said it would be hard to find where CBJ had missed on any recruits since taking the UT job. I found it easy to list at least 8 just off the top of my head. CBJ signed them and they did not/have not preformed. I was just responding to the comment.
 
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Lol, if he didn't take those guys in the 2013 class we wouldn't have had enough players to really field a team. It was all you can get at the time and you have to fill the roster. Everybody has to do it and you know it. If we didn't with the shape of the roster at that time and only signed a few players, you would have had all kinda of people playing out of position in desperation. Which would have lead to a horrible record and we would have lost more than 7 games for the first time in history. It's what you have to do win as much as you can your first year. Once again, no way you don't know that. Nobody did any of that stuff you claimed.
 
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CWGvol said:
Lol, if he didn't take those guys in the 2013 class we wouldn't have had enough players to really field a team. It was all you can get at the time and you have to fill the roster. Everybody has to do it and you know it. If we didn't with the shape of the roster at that time and only signed a few players, you would have had all kinda of people playing out of position in desperation. Which would have lead to a horrible record and we would have lost more than 7 games for the first time in history. It's what you have to do win as much as you can your first year. Once again, no way you don't know that. Nobody did any of that stuff you claimed.
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With the exception of Lemond Johnson on special teams, I don't think any of those guys saw more than a handful of snaps for UT. We could just as well have filled their spots with walk-ons and had back-counts available.
 
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volinexile17 said:
With the exception of Lemond Johnson on special teams, I don't think any of those guys saw more than a handful of snaps for UT. We could just as well have filled their spots with walk-ons and had back-counts available.
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Maybe so in a few cases, and that's one reason we didn't take a full class....so we could back count. That's how we had so many last year. However the point remains the same. It's all done in desperation to take those players whether walk on or lower rated guys you normally wouldn't take. You only have a few month to fill a roster already in trouble with guys you haven't had a normal time to evaluate or build a relationship with. Some guys end up being good but the chances of less quality players in that class is always greater, you're taking guys you normally wouldn't just to fill the roster. Same for everybody.
 
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R.Jones had some kind of clotting problem that prevented him from contributing. He would develop blood clots in his legs and from my understanding it is very painful. Read it somewhere before now.
 
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I wouldn't call Lemond Johnson a bust. He's a special teams/reserve guy that got recruited over when we picked up TK.

It's not like he was a 5 star who was recruited to be the savior of the defense. He's a 3 star sophomore.

He may contribute or he may not but saying Butch missed on him isn't really fair at all.

The ones that have left the team, that's a fair assessment.
 
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