'15 TN ATH Nathan Cottrell

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LebanonVolunteer said:
You got troll from that post? Alright.
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No, just from the compilation of all your posts. You seem to constantly want to stir up Vol fans on this board. I'm fine with you trying to make a point, but you don't just make it once...you stay on the same rant for weeks and weeks on end.
 
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Nashvegas31 said:
Lmfao Hahahaha incredible. Only Dooley would take this dude as our only RB. He is a guy you take as a number 3 if at all and maybe maybe a 2. This is not your premiere jalen Hurd/ Derrel Scott back that you feature. We have too many other options to seriously think this is our main RB option
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Exactly this is a Dooley Caliber player which is why we are in the situation we are in now.
 
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mreynoldsdvm said:
No, just from the compilation of all your posts. You seem to constantly want to stir up Vol fans on this board. I'm fine with you trying to make a point, but you don't just make it once...you stay on the same rant for weeks and weeks on end.
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I've got a lot of time on my hands. :)
 
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StoVol said:
Just because a great player plays weaker opponents does not mean he is not a great player. They put up big numbers. What else can they do? Using the weak schedule parameter as a primary factor in player evals causes one to go Fulmer occasionally and pass up a Randall Cobb. Nathan may not be sec caliber but at this point he's done all he can do, and is worth further close scrutiny and evaluation. Or you could just tell yourself that it's impossible for a good football player to come from the east Tn area and miss on a few good ones.
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I rather miss on a few. Because out of all the guy who recently came out of East TN Randall Cobb is the only guy you can actually name.
 
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It takes time for some kids to develop. Reports coming out of practice yesterday seemed to point to Smith, Young, and Blanc having good days. DY has been a great Vol IMO. Kid has accounted for something like 1800 yards at UT. Smith is just a SO. Blanc has been slow to catch on and that may be in part to moving him around to various positions as has happened with a lot of the young Vols the last few years. It's hard for a kid to get it when it all keeps changing. Hopefully Nathan has another great year and shows he is an SEC caliber talent.
 
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So redundant arguments are more valuable to the recruiting forum than volquest/247/scout info? Is that really what we are going with?
 
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GBOVOLS said:
Exactly this is a Dooley Caliber player which is why we are in the situation we are in now.
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The poor numbers from the UT Pro Day don't line up with this statement. Dooley didn't recruit a player as fast or athletic as Nathan.

I don't get why people seem to think that since they think we shouldn't take a player everyone else must have the same opinion. Some people will think we should and some won't, but to say that UT shouldn't check out a kid that puts up crazy number because he's local and has weak competition seems kinda silly to me. :crazy:

Also, too much getting personal in here. Everyone should be entitled to their own opinion. It's a discussion forum.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
I have mentioned several times the staff could choose to take more than 3-4 guys on the OL and they could do that today. Then it just changes the "we will take 2 QBs, or 2 RBs", or whatever people claim. I just feel they would not stockpile kids at 1 position and then miss totally on others. IMO they are not in a position yet to just take the best available no matter their position. A couple more classes from now, maybe they can.
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Then what would you call what we did last year at QB and DL when they made it clear we wanted a QB? None that had mutual interest were good enough so we stocked up on the DL late.
 
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GBOVOLS said:
First of all if you have to include HS competition don't try to take levers away to prove your point. The reality is this guy while he ran a great 40 time you can train yourself to that with practice doesn't mean he's fast. Look at his tape look at how slow everyone is around him. He's like a pretty girl in a crowd full of ugly women. If you want to see pure speed go look at Emmanuel Mosley's tape that is pure speed. Secondly he has no field vision and I doubt an SEC school runs that awful offense they run at West. Next look at his tape and compare it to an elite back like a Taj Griffin and tell which you rather have.

Lastly it's very stupid not to consider a player competition when evaluating whether to take him at an SEC school(the most competitive conference). I'm not the only who thinks his talents are suspect so does every other FBS level team to this point.
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A couple of things. The HS competition thing is way overhyped. If that were a serious measurement of talent then all of the 4 and 5* stud recruits would pan out. They don't. It doesn't matter what kind of players are around them. Talent is talent. It doesn't matter if you play at a high powered HS or a 2A school in the sticks.

You are not a person who has the experience nor gets paid to evaluate talent at the collegiate level. This kid is very fast whether you want to accept it or not. You can train his fast 40 time? Ok. Prove it. He lacks vision? If that were true, so what? Field vision can be taught. You're comparing him to Griffin, one of the best backs in the class and his skills don't stack up? So he is not as good as one of the best RBs in this class? That must mean he is not very good huh.

Basically none of what you have said provides any evidence that he is not an SEC caliber player. The fact is we have no idea and neither does anyone else. Could he be a flop? Yep. Could he be the next Wes Welker? Yep. You mentioned Moseley, I doubt many outside of our coaching staff thought he would be an SEC caliber player. We were his ONLY SEC offer.
 
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OddFuture said:
Then what would you call what we did last year at QB and DL when they made it clear we wanted a QB? None that had mutual interest were good enough so we stocked up on the DL late.
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Different situation IMO. Since they could not get the QBs they wanted last year, they used the scholarship elsewhere. IF they have a quality option at QB, RB, TE, LB or w/e, I would think at least adding 1 vs adding your 5th or 6th somewhere else sets up future recruiting/filling needs better. You take 10-12 OL or DL over a 2 years period, you have to remember you may be setting yourself up to lose those same 10-12 kids at the same time and your back to needing to over sign for the position again just to keep your #'s up.
 
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Straight line speed, and that's about it... Good luck to this kid though.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Different situation IMO. Since they could not get the QBs they wanted last year, they used the scholarship elsewhere. IF they have a quality option at QB, RB, TE, LB or w/e, I would think at least adding 1 vs adding your 5th or 6th somewhere else sets up future recruiting/filling needs better. You take 10-12 OL or DL over a 2 years period, you have to remember you may be setting yourself up to lose those same 10-12 kids at the same time and your back to needing to over sign for the position again just to keep your #'s up.
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I agree with what you're saying but it is what it is unfortunately. It's just another part of properly managing recruiting. I'm happy with the staff we have and have faith they will make the proper decisions in order to keep UT competing year in and year out.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Different situation IMO. Since they could not get the QBs they wanted last year, they used the scholarship elsewhere. IF they have a quality option at QB, RB, TE, LB or w/e, I would think at least adding 1 vs adding your 5th or 6th somewhere else sets up future recruiting/filling needs better. You take 10-12 OL or DL over a 2 years period, you have to remember you may be setting yourself up to lose those same 10-12 kids at the same time and your back to needing to over sign for the position again just to keep your #'s up.
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I disagree. I think we looked at QBs, like a few like the guy who ended up at Vandy, but just would rather get some more good DL because they thought overall they were better players. Who's to say they don't like Harrell over anyone else? 6 OL isn't a stretch in this class if you ask me. I think 5 is the # though. I just don't know how you speak in certainty about Harrell being a backup option and if he wanted to commit now we wouldn't take it. Seems sort of silly to me. JMO
 
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OddFuture said:
I disagree. I think we looked at QBs, like a few like the guy who ended up at Vandy, but just would rather get some more good DL because they thought overall they were better players. Who's to say they don't like Harrell over anyone else? 6 OL isn't a stretch in this class if you ask me. I think 5 is the # though. I just don't know how you speak in certainty about Harrell being a backup option and if he wanted to commit now we wouldn't take it. Seems sort of silly to me. JMO
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I never claimed to be on the UT staff. Just about every post I make says "IMO" or "JMO".
 
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mobley is playing at uk and Robertson is as well. There are plenty of sec players from east Tn. No, not all will be a Randall Cobb but it's stupid to write the area off due to a flawed reasoning about talent versus competition. Like a poster stated earlier, talent is talent
 
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I dont get why some of you all are hating on this kid.. the statistics are there. best overall SPARQ rating and crazy stats as a junior. im sure the staff is waiting to offer him after he has played some games next year. but this kid is an outstanding athlete and has done well against good teams, yea maybe he isnt playing in the absolute best competition in the country but he is dominating the competition he is playing against so thats something.
 
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MoreheadVol said:
I dont get why some of you all are hating on this kid.. the statistics are there. best overall SPARQ rating and crazy stats as a junior. im sure the staff is waiting to offer him after he has played some games next year. but this kid is an outstanding athlete and has done well against good teams, yea maybe he isnt playing in the absolute best competition in the country but he is dominating the competition he is playing against so thats something.
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Another scenario could be UTs coaches may wait to see IF he gets bigger offers. IF he does, then maybe they are forced to do something if they want him. Maybe they luck out and the kid flies under the radar and they can grab him as a walk-on IF he would consider it.

I'd much rather see him show out and get a UT offer. I agree the kids stats, camp performances show he is an elite athlete.
 
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MoreheadVol said:
I dont get why some of you all are hating on this kid.. the statistics are there. best overall SPARQ rating and crazy stats as a junior. im sure the staff is waiting to offer him after he has played some games next year. but this kid is an outstanding athlete and has done well against good teams, yea maybe he isnt playing in the absolute best competition in the country but he is dominating the competition he is playing against so thats something.
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It's because we're tight on spots this year.
 
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MoreheadVol said:
I dont get why some of you all are hating on this kid.. the statistics are there. best overall SPARQ rating and crazy stats as a junior. im sure the staff is waiting to offer him after he has played some games next year. but this kid is an outstanding athlete and has done well against good teams, yea maybe he isnt playing in the absolute best competition in the country but he is dominating the competition he is playing against so thats something.
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TK,jr. played in ET. He was no more impressive than this kid besides being a legend player. This kid is just as good of an athlete.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
I never claimed to be on the UT staff. Just about every post I make says "IMO" or "JMO".
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Oh I know . I'm saying in my opinion, that particular opinion of yours sucks if you think we are going to let guys like Harrell get pissed because we deny them. Some guys are not takes now, some aren't ever. Marquel is as long as we aren't completely full. I would rather have Harrell over say a lot of LBs that are also high on us. Not naming names. If it came down to taking a 6th OL in Harrell or a 3rd LB not named DeBerry or a few select others, I would take Harrell 10/10. JMO
 
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OddFuture said:
Oh I know . I'm saying in my opinion, that particular opinion of yours sucks if you think we are going to let guys like Harrell get pissed because we deny them. Some guys are not takes now, some aren't ever. Marquel is as long as we aren't completely full. I would rather have Harrell over say a lot of LBs that are also high on us. Not naming names. If it came down to taking a 6th OL in Harrell or a 3rd LB not named DeBerry or a few select others, I would take Harrell 10/10. JMO
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I'm with ya on all this...good post.
 
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