'15 TN DT/OL Zach Stewart (UT Signee 2/4/15)

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JohnnyD1024 said:
He has a 4.0 gpa, I wonder if there's a chance he gets a full academic scholarship and then walks on for football.
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If you're on scholarship and playing football, you have to be on a football scholarship.

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Unsure if its the same for FBS, but at FCS level you can split the athletic scholarship up. So a kid with good grades can get his entire school paid for when athletic and academic and/or HOPE are combined.

May not be the same for FBS though.
 
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TriedAndTrueVOL said:
If you're on scholarship and playing football, you have to be on a football scholarship.

So if a kid is already going to UT on an academic scholarship, and once he gets here he decides to walk on and he makes the team, then his academic scholarship must be switched to an football scholarship?
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GwinnettVol21 said:
I could be wrong but I think football players can't be other athletic scholarships but they can be on academic scholarships.
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They can be on academic scholarship, but if they play football then they are counted as part of the 85 and not as a normal walk-on as far as I know.
 
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I may be wrong, but on The U Part 2 documentary, Butch Davis says he put Santana Moss on a track scholarship to have room for him. Rules could have changed since then.
 
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LittleVolDaddy said:
I may be wrong, but on The U Part 2 documentary, Butch Davis says he put Santana Moss on a track scholarship to have room for him. Rules could have changed since then.
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Pretty sure this still goes on. I think Williams was on a track scholarship until he got cut with AJ. Could be totally wrong
 
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IIRC you can play football on an academic scholarship, but you have to be a non recruited prospect. AKA a walk on. Which is the concept behind the blueshirt. A kid walks on for fall camp and then goes on a football scholarship therefore making them an initial counter for the next recruiting class.

The rule that I see most of yall getting a little mixed up is.... if you play a different sport on scholarship and join the football team, you have to be placed on a football scholarship. This rule didnt exist back in the day. Bear Bryant used to place guys in other sports so he could sign more.
 
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PassedOutAwake said:
IIRC Williams was a walk on transfer to the track team.
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Williams was a scholarship track athlete. He walked on to the football team and sat out his first year. Thats how he was able to stay off a football scholarship. Had he played immediately he would have had his scholly switched.
 
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PassedOutAwake said:
IIRC you can play football on an academic scholarship, but you have to be a non recruited prospect. AKA a walk on. Which is the concept behind the blueshirt. A kid walks on for fall camp and then goes on a football scholarship therefore making them an initial counter for the next recruiting class.
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Yeah this is correct. I was reading wrong lol. I would like to know more about how the NCAA keeps tabs on a "non-recruited" athlete's situation. It's a real gray area and some of the parameters are easily worked around IMO.

A kid is considered a recruited athlete if a coach/university takes any of the following actions:

*Provide the athlete with an official visit.
*Have any off-campus contact with the athlete or parents/guardians.
*Offer a National Letter of Intent or an athletic scholarship agreement.
*Have a telephone conversation with the athlete or parents/guardians more than one time.

E-mail conversations are not included however.
 
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NotoriousRPP said:
Williams was a scholarship track athlete. He walked on to the football team and sat out his first year. Thats how he was able to stay off a football scholarship. Had he played immediately he would have had his scholly switched.
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Ah...so is this why they are trying to have Perry on baseball scholly his first year? Let him walk-on for football and sit out the first year, then he can stay on baseball scholly and not be counted for football. Brilliant, if so.
 
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Baseball scholarship aren't full rides tho...

They get 11.7 to divide throughout...
 
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AV_12 said:
Baseball scholarship aren't full rides tho...

They get 11.7 to divide throughout...
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Maybe use it all the first year, along with the Hope scholarship, and then the 2nd year, he goes on football scholarship?
 
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Wickman said:
Blueshirt (potentially) - Stewart, Lovingood, Bruce, Perry

No OV, No in-home
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So the deal with that is they just show up in the summer and get their scholarship in the fall? Maybe a ceremonial signing on NSD? Butch pulls this off and the AA will try to close the loophole pronto.
 
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butchna said:
So the deal with that is they just show up in the summer and get their scholarship in the fall? Maybe a ceremonial signing on NSD? Butch pulls this off and the AA will try to close the loophole pronto.
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Yeah that's basically how it works.
 
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butchna said:
So the deal with that is they just show up in the summer and get their scholarship in the fall? Maybe a ceremonial signing on NSD? Butch pulls this off and the AA will try to close the loophole pronto.
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Not really. It helps us fill gaps sooner rather than later. But next year, we will have to account for those spots. It's nothing more than getting scholarships on a 1yr loan.

Personally, I never understood the whole 25 limit rule to begin with. In the NFL, you are limited to a certain number of draft picks, but you can make any number of trades or free agency acquisitions you need to fill your roster. Just can't go over the maximum overall limit.

They need to allow a waiver of the 25 limit to schools who are under the maximum 85 scholarships. Basically, you cannot go over the 25 if that puts you above 85...but you can when 25 will still leave you short.
 
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OGbabyaviVol said:
Ah...so is this why they are trying to have Perry on baseball scholly his first year? Let him walk-on for football and sit out the first year, then he can stay on baseball scholly and not be counted for football. Brilliant, if so.
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Found out today that Perry will not receive any type of baseball scholarship. Will still attempt to play both sports but will not receive any of the 11.3 available.

Still working on Hope money though.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
Not really. It helps us fill gaps sooner rather than later. But next year, we will have to account for those spots. It's nothing more than getting scholarships on a 1yr loan.
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Not necessarily. Since for these purposes there's no mathematical upper limit on how many recruiting classes we take, we could theoretically blueshirt X number of spots every year ad infinitem. Those are "blueshirt spots", though, until we decide to leave them vacant for one year in order to regain them as regular spots in a future recruiting cycle.
 
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Seems like the SEC is hurting itself with the 25 limit rule. With the other conferences catching up they should really do away with it.
Also if the power 5 splits from the NCAA could they move up the 85 limit?
 
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