'15 TN OT Drew Richmond (Former Ole Miss commit)

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DaddyChad said:
Ah you mean the people that can actually cause you the most trouble, those with authority and money. Just easier for the kid to do whatever he does on the DL from this point forward whether it be UT or Ole Miss.
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Yes, those people.... It's easy to avoid them that's the point. People seem to think it's the people constantly around him all day and it's not. So if he wants to be a Vol, he can easily avoid them.
 
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I don't understand you alls logic. If he wanted to come here, he probably would of decommitted from Ole Miss and not say he's still committed there. JMO
 
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BigOrangeVols said:
I don't understand you alls logic. If he wanted to come here, he probably would of decommitted from Ole Miss and not say he's still committed there. JMO
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If you follow recruiting year to year, this is the exact reaction when someone flips. This was the exact reaction of Devante Lambert last year
 
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BigOrangeVols said:
I don't understand you alls logic. If he wanted to come here, he probably would of decommitted from Ole Miss and not say he's still committed there. JMO
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If he hasn't informed the Ole Miss coaches of his decision, then he isn't likely to announce his decommit to Mike Farrell of all people, the day after it was stated that he was shutting it down with the media.
 
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BigOrangeVols said:
I don't understand you alls logic. If he wanted to come here, he probably would of decommitted from Ole Miss and not say he's still committed there. JMO
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I'm not sure what he will end up doing. But its well known that he enjoys the attention. What better way to get it than to be the big flip on NSD.
 
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Wickman said:
If you follow recruiting year to year, this is the exact reaction when someone flips. This was the exact reaction of Devante Lambert last year
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Nope Devante Lambert said he was making a decision. And I knew right away you don't make a decision if you are still committed to the same team or coming back to the same team.
 
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BigOrangeVols said:
Nope Devante Lambert said he was making a decision. And I knew right away you don't make a decision if you are still committed to the same team or coming back to the same team.
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That's fair. But just wait on it. When you shut it down with the media, that's never ever a good thing for the committed team. This reaction happens every year from multiple recruits before they flip
 
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Wickman said:
That's fair. But just wait on it. When you shut it down with the media, that's never ever a good thing for the committed team. This reaction happens every year from multiple recruits before they flip
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What about Farrell though? He didn't shut him out it seems. Or are you just saying Farrell isn't as credible as others.
 
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BigOrangeVols said:
I don't understand you alls logic. If he wanted to come here, he probably would of decommitted from Ole Miss and not say he's still committed there. JMO
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He's not going to decommit. He said he will fax his LOI to the school he chooses on NSD. These are known facts. Try to keep up.
 
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Man, some of you all are pretty dogmatic.

You can't say "well, this one recruit flipped and when he did he told the coaches. Therefore, Drew didn't flip". Every recruit handles things differently. Some want to announce it to everybody as soon as they decide. Some want to wait for the big announcement. Others want to sleep on things and make sure they made the right decision. And still others are persuaded by coaches to hold off on announcing, even though they are solid.

And you can't say "this other recruit flipped, and when he flipped he didn't say anything. Since Drew is being quiet, he is definitely already a silent". Again...some recruits might do this. But others are silent because they really don't know. It isn't an exact science.

We can't simply look at a handful of examples and determine what Drew is doing. If it were this easy, or if we were this good at it, we could make a lot of money with our armchair prognostication.

But, we can look at the evidence and see what makes the most sense. And I think the most plausible explanation is that Drew is signing with us on Wednesday. Evidence: a) he came the weekend before signing day, stayed the entire weekend, and brought his family; b) he allegedly ignored Freeze's direct request to skip the trip; c) his reception was phenomenal, and the team and fans did everything possible to secure his commitment; d) he did not reaffirm his commitment to Ole Miss after leaving; e) he deleted Ole Miss tweets while here, and proceeded to retweet a ton of pictures of him during his visit, and other Vol-friendly stuff.
 
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BigOrangeVols said:
What about Farrell though? He didn't shut him out it seems. Or are you just saying Farrell isn't as credible as others.
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Yes absolutely he isn't. VQ and Callahan are way more credible and they all agree we have all the momentum. He sends one text to Farrell to say he is still committed to calm down everyone in Memphis. Why would he not tell the Vols site or the Ole Miss site? You know they have asked him and he won't say anything
 
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BigOrangeVols said:
What about Farrell though? He didn't shut him out it seems. Or are you just saying Farrell isn't as credible as others.
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Not sure why he talked to Farrell, other than he is one of the most prolific recruiting analysts (like him or not), but the quote is extremely bland if you analyze it.

Vol.
 
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BigOrangeVols said:
Nope Devante Lambert said he was making a decision. And I knew right away you don't make a decision if you are still committed to the same team or coming back to the same team.
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This is a different situation. Drew was just stating a fact, "I am committed to Ole Miss." And he is. He said before he visited last w/e that he wasn't going to make any announcement until NSD-- he was just going to fax in his LOI. If he had said, "I'm still committed to Ole Miss, I love Ole Miss; it's going to be a tough decision," that would be more telling, IMO.
 
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keckjm said:
I can't blame this staff for going all out on this kid, but I want to know without doubt that our staff didn't want Allen. If Allen told our staff don't bother, then it explains why we went all out on Richmond. If Richmond plays us, again, and we chose to not pursue Allen, I think that'll end up being a huge mistake. It also eliminates any excuses you can make for this staff come 2016. If our OTs don't pan out, like Blair, and we struggle because of it, this situation will be a huge reason why. I think we will be fine, but I also think we could use some solid OT depth aka Allen, Richmond, etc...
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I respectfully disagree. Now that last year's recruits have been here a year, we actually don't have a "depth" problem at OL (and specifically at OT). The issue is that our starters aren't very good. You can't fault our coaching staff for taking a 50/50 chance(?) on an elite LT prospect over a higher chance (say 80/20) for another average RT prospect similar to the ones we already have. If we're hitting home runs at every other position, we can afford to take more risks at OT.

Regardless of the outcome, I APPLAUD Butch Jones and the rest of the coaching staff for putting their pride aside and continuing to recruit a super talented kid notwithstanding the mistakes that kid made earlier in the recruiting process (specifically, committing to Ole Miss and recruiting for them while visiting us in the fall). A lesser coach would have given up and settled for a lesser player.
 
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Wickman said:
Yes absolutely he isn't. VQ and Callahan are way more credible and they all agree we have all the momentum. He sends one text to Farrell to say he is still committed to calm down everyone in Memphis. Why would he not tell the Vols site or the Ole Miss site? You know they have asked him and he won't say anything
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Right, and "committed" has two meanings. One meaning is describing your attitude towards something, or your mental states. It says "I have committed, or decided, to do this".

Another meaning is local and descriptive, and just states what you have done in the past. In this sense "committed" just means "I told Ole Miss that I would sign with them on Wednesday".

The second sense is uncontroversial. He *is* committed to Ole Miss. If he meant this, then we have no reason to be concerned.

The first sense is controversial. It would say that he still intends to sign with them. But, we have no reason to think that he meant this. Think of the conversational context. If Farrell asked him who he is signing with, a one or two word answer is sufficient if you want to be crystal clear. You say "Tennessee" or "Ole Miss" or "Don't know". But, he said "I am committed to Ole Miss" a clearly ambiguous phrase, that serves to *sort of* answer Farrell's question while still leaving it open what he intends to do, or what he has decided to do.
 
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BigOrangeVols said:
Nope Devante Lambert said he was making a decision. And I knew right away you don't make a decision if you are still committed to the same team or coming back to the same team.
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He also said he was committed to UT to many reporters. It's clear that DR is making a decision also.
 
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turambar85 said:
Right, and "committed" has two meanings. One meaning is describing your attitude towards something, or your mental states. It says "I have committed, or decided, to do this".

Another meaning is local and descriptive, and just states what you have done in the past. In this sense "committed" just means "I told Ole Miss that I would sign with them on Wednesday".

The second sense is uncontroversial. He *is* committed to Ole Miss. If he meant this, then we have no reason to be concerned.

The first sense is controversial. It would say that he still intends to sign with them. But, we have no reason to think that he meant this. Think of the conversational context. If Farrell asked him who he is signing with, a one or two word answer is sufficient if you want to be crystal clear. You say "Tennessee" or "Ole Miss" or "Don't know". But, he said "I am committed to Ole Miss" a clearly ambiguous phrase, that serves to *sort of* answer Farrell's question while still leaving it open what he intends to do, or what he has decided to do.
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Spot on.
 
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