'15 TX QB Quinten Dormady (UT Commit 6/9/14)

[Burger]

I was thinking the same thing, and wondering if CBJ and Bajakian are re-thinking the whole concept of trying to make a pocket passer fit their zone read scheme, like they did with Worley...just because they hadn't previously had a dynamic athlete like Dobbs, who could hurt defenses as a runner when the pocket breaks down, or on designed QB draws and keepers.

I think Dobbs performance thus far is causing them to re-evaluate the kind of QB that best fits their offense.

Dobbs is a pro-style believe it or not.

 

[JamesBenUT]

No doubt Dormady's presence behind center has made a difference on his team's record this year. From 2-8 last year to 8-2 this year

 

[Volosaurus rex]

Dobbs is a pro-style believe it or not.

He was, at least by his own admission, in high school. "As a junior at Alpharetta (Ga.) High School, he ran for only 200 yards, opposed to 3,113 yards passing. It doubled as a senior, running for 419 yards, but still didn’t come close to matching his 3,625 yards passing. “My senior year I had a little bit, but I was definitely a pro-style quarterback,” Dobbs said. “A pocket passer.”

Dobbs does not indicate that much of his current success running the ball is a deliberate manifestation of Butch Jones' offensive scheme. “I wouldn’t say they push me (to run),” Dobbs said. “Obviously we’ve had some designed quarterback runs, which have helped out our offense, added another element.”

Dobbs' decisions to run the ball may be highly intuitive but the manner in which he runs, fortunately, is quite calculated. “I keep my eyes up, just looking for different lanes, different cut backs,” Dobbs said. “My goal is to score a touchdown or get out of bounds, or just avoid being hit.” (For the rest of this article, see Tennessee's Dobbs proving elusive only when necessary - The Daily Times: Sports). Hopefully, that approach will be conducive to long-term success.

 

[Burger]

He was, at least by his own admission, in high school. "As a junior at Alpharetta (Ga.) High School, he ran for only 200 yards, opposed to 3,113 yards passing. It doubled as a senior, running for 419 yards, but still didn’t come close to matching his 3,625 yards passing. “My senior year I had a little bit, but I was definitely a pro-style quarterback,” Dobbs said. “A pocket passer.”

Dobbs does not indicate that much of his current success running the ball is a deliberate manifestation of Butch Jones' offensive scheme. “I wouldn’t say they push me (to run),” Dobbs said. “Obviously we’ve had some designed quarterback runs, which have helped out our offense, added another element.”

Dobbs' decisions to run the ball may be highly intuitive but the manner in which he runs, fortunately, is quite calculated. “I keep my eyes up, just looking for different lanes, different cut backs,” Dobbs said. “My goal is to score a touchdown or get out of bounds, or just avoid being hit.” (For the rest of this article, see Tennessee's Dobbs proving elusive only when necessary - The Daily Times: Sports). Hopefully, that approach will be conducive to long-term success.

The difference between an PP and a DT is one looks to pass first, and the other looks to run first.

 

[jave36]

The difference between an PP and a DT is one looks to pass first, and the other looks to run first.

I always thought dual threat meant a threat to run or pass. I don't think DT has to mean a QB looks to run first.

 

[Volosaurus rex]

The difference between an PP and a DT is one looks to pass first, and the other looks to run first.

I agree for the most part, but 19 carries against Alabama and 24 carries vs. South Carolina qualifies as a heck of a lot of carries for a quarterback, regardless of the circumstances in which they occur. And, truthfully, Josh was not heavily pressured by the Chicken Nation.

 

[Volosaurus rex]

I always thought dual threat meant a threat to run or pass. I don't think DT has to mean a QB looks to run first.

Also true. A lot of wishbone quarterbacks historically posed relatively little threat as passers except for the surprise element involved. If you wanted to pit polar opposites of the two types of QBs, you have Peyton Manning, the prototypical pocket passer/pro-style quarterback who runs only when he absolutely has to, as opposed to Michael Vick who can pass but is far more prone to run at the first opportunity or the slightest breakdown in pass protection. In the middle, you have Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson, who are pass-first, mobile quarterbacks who run for calculated effect. I would cast Josh Dobbs in this category although he is running more frequently and with greater effectiveness (on a per-game and per-carry basis) than any previous quarterback at Tennessee. Hence, the thread that I started in the Football Forum: "Josh Dobbs will fundamentally redefine the quarterback position at Tennessee if . . ." (http://www.volnation.com/forum/tenn...-will-fundamentally-redefine-quarterback.html).

 

[jave36]

Also true. A lot of wishbone quarterbacks historically posed relatively little threat as passers except for the surprise element involved. If you wanted to pit polar opposites of the two types of QBs, you have Peyton Manning, the prototypical pocket passer/pro-style quarterback who runs only when he absolutely has to, as opposed to Michael Vick who can pass but is far more prone to run at the first opportunity or the slightest breakdown in pass protection. In the middle, you have Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson, who are pass-first, mobile quarterbacks who run for calculated effect. I would cast Josh Dobbs in this category although he is running more frequently and with greater effectiveness (on a per-game and per-carry basis) than any previous quarterback at Tennessee. Hence, the thread that I started in the Football Forum: "Josh Dobbs will fundamentally redefine the quarterback position at Tennessee if . . ." (http://www.volnation.com/forum/tenn...-will-fundamentally-redefine-quarterback.html).

Vick only averaged 8 runs per game at most. I was surprised it was that few. Makes Dobbs 24 seem astronomical (pun).

That's the NFL of course, but even in college was just 10 or so, and people said he ran way too much. Jakes offense has a lot more designed runs too, but still, he's going to get smashed eventually if 24 is the norm. Hard to make the case that he's not abandoning the pass at least some of the time.

 

[big harry]

Whoever doesn't think Dobb's is a dual-threat is

 

[Phat-Phil]

Dobbs is a pro-style believe it or not.

Someone should let the coaches know that so that stop calling so many runs for him then.

 

[Burger]

Someone should let the coaches know that so that stop calling so many runs for him then.

It doesn't matter how many runs they call. Dobbs makes sure there is not any pass possible before he runs it. A dual threat guy has the tendency to run as soon as the play develops.

 

[Volosaurus rex]

Vick only averaged 8 runs per game at most. I was surprised it was that few. Makes Dobbs 24 seem astronomical (pun).

That's the NFL of course, but even in college was just 10 or so, and people said he ran way too much. Jakes offense has a lot more designed runs too, but still, he's going to get smashed eventually if 24 is the norm. Hard to make the case that he's not abandoning the pass at least some of the time.

I didn't find a specific entry in the NCAA record book for most carries in a single game or season for a quarterback, but I did find these yardage records for quarterback rushing:

MOST YARDS GAINED BY A QUARTERBACK:

Game 308—Stacey Robinson, Northern Ill. vs. Fresno St., Oct. 6, 1990 (22 rushes)

Season 1,702—Denard Robinson, Michigan, 2010 (256 rushes)

Season Per Game 135.8—Beau Morgan, Air Force, 1996 (1,494 in 11)

Career 4,480—Pat White, West Virginia, 2005-08 (684 rushes)

Career Per Game 109.1—Stacey Robinson, Northern Ill., 1988-90 (2,727 in 25)

MOST YARDS GAINED BY A FRESHMAN QUARTERBACK Season 1,029—Brad Smith, Missouri, 2002 (193 rushes)

By contrast, Cam Newton had 264 carries for 1473 yds. ( 5.6 ypc) and 20 touchdowns in 2010; Tebow's most productive years as a ball carrier were 2007 (210-895 [4.3 ypc] & 23 tds) and 2009 (217-910 [4.2 ypc] & 14 tds). Of course, Tebow ran the ball like an old-school fullback.

Let us not forget that there is precedent for the quarterback to be used heavily as a ball carrier in Butch Jones' offense. For example, in 2007, Dan Lefevour, Jones’ starting QB at Central Michigan, ran 188 times for 1,122 yards (6.0 ave.) and 19 tds. He also passed for 3,652 yds. and 27 tds. that year. Over the course of his career, Lefevour amassed nearly 3,000 yards and 47 touchdowns on the ground while passing for almost 13,000 yards and 102 touchdowns (Dan Lefevour Stats | College Football at Sports-Reference.com).

 

[big harry]

It doesn't matter how many runs they call. Dobbs makes sure there is not any pass possible before he runs it. A dual threat guy has the tendency to run as soon as the play develops.

That may be what some of them want to do, but it's not the proper way to be a dual threat QB unless it's a designed run. Being a dual threat QB simply means you're such a threat to run, the defense has to account for that. Walk into Kentucky's film study next week and try telling their coaches that Dobbs is not dual threat lol.

 

[Lavell2315]

It's funny how none of this has to with Dormady. I bet Dobbs has a thread somewhere on here . Does anyone have any stats from Dormady last game ????

 

[Volunteer_Kirby]

Speaking of Dormady, I saw in the papers that Boerne won last night. Here's a summary from 247:

Boerne defeated Canyon Lake 42-35. Tennessee quarterback commit Quinten Dormady finished 16-27 passing for 233 yards, two touchdowns and an interception. He also ran for 52 yards and two scores on nine carries.

 

[Burger]

That may be what some of them want to do, but it's not the proper way to be a dual threat QB unless it's a designed run. Being a dual threat QB simply means you're such a threat to run, the defense has to account for that. Walk into Kentucky's film study next week and try telling their coaches that Dobbs is not dual threat lol.

It looks like QD is also a dual threat by your definition. Every team in the SEC has a dual threat QB.

 

[engineerVOL]

QD will probably always be heavier and muscular than JJ. He may take a beating better than JJ but JJ doesn't really take square hits, he has an uncanny ability to spin side step and accelerate past a tackler.

 

[jave36]

It looks like QD is also a dual threat by your definition. Every team in the SEC has a dual threat QB.

Mason and Thompson are not threats to beat you with their legs. You're reaching a bit to say that the definition of DT is someone who looks to run before they should. Like DT is a negative term. Just because a lot of DT happen to have that tendency doesn't mean the term DT means they do.

 

[Burger]

Mason and Thompson are not threats to beat you with their legs. You're reaching a bit to say that the definition of DT is someone who looks to run before they should. Like DT is a negative term. Just because a lot of DT happen to have that tendency doesn't mean the term DT means they do.

Thompson did beat us with his legs a few times. DT QBs are usually looking to run when things break down. It's not negative, it's how things are.

 

[jave36]

Thompson did beat us with his legs a few times. DT QBs are usually looking to run when things break down. It's not negative, it's how things are.

No it's not lol. You're adding your own opinion to the definition. Worley beat people with his legs sometimes, doesn't mean his legs are a threat to account for. If a QB is fast enough that teams have to account for him as a threat to beat them with his legs, he's a DT.

Has 0 to do with his tendency to run when he shouldn't or abandon the pass before he should.

 

[Burger]

No it's not lol. You're adding your own opinion to the definition. Worley beat people with his legs sometimes, doesn't mean his legs are a threat to account for. If a QB is fast enough that teams have to account for him as a threat to beat them with his legs, he's a DT.

Has 0 to do with his tendency to run when he shouldn't or abandon the pass before he should.

By that definition, every starting QB in the SEC can be considered a dual threat, including Thompson and Mason.

 

[jave36]

By that definition, every starting QB in the SEC can be considered a dual threat, including Thompson and Mason.

When's the last time they beat a team with their legs?

Occasional scrambles for gain aren't beating anyone.

 

[Burger]

When the last time they beat a team with their legs?

Thompson kept beating us with his speed option.

 

[jave36]

Thompson kept beating us with his speed option.

Yes his -1 yards rushing kept beating us. All those rushing yards were killing us. Come on man.

 

[Burger]

Yes his -1 yards rushing kept beating us. All those rushing yards were killing us. Come on man.

You don't remember how Thompson kept running the speed option, and how we could not stop it? I mean people called Aaron Rodgers a Dual Threat and Thompson has the same running ability as him.