'15 TX QB Quinten Dormady (UT Commit 6/9/14)

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WhatInVolnation said:
It's pretty interesting to me that DT QBs seem to be nearly essential to winning at the highest level in CFB--ex. Oregon, Ohio State, and even Bama all have QBs that can run effectively and run frequently and FSU has Winston who can run effectively when needed. On the other hand, the DT QBs are not really panning out in the NFL. RG3, Locker, and to an extent Kaepernick (sp?), among many others, are fairly good examples. Thus, there may be a tension between what NFL teams want and what college teams are producing because it seems that traditional pro-style QBs, for a variety of reasons, are truly the only QBs that thrive in the NFL.
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McCarron and McElroy aren't exactly known for their legs. Winston isn't much of a runner. I don't think it's essential.
 
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TriedAndTrueVOL said:
I agree...I've often wondered why the college game has evolved so differently than the NFL. It isn't necessarily limited to just the QB position though. It seems the college game is built or controlled around scheme mainly where the NFL is more built around certain players/positions. In college, if the scheme works and is ran well, you can just plug players in. That's the nature of the game with recruiting, etc. In the NFL you can't just plug a players in and expect success. Teams who sustain success have a core they have built around. It's definitely a very interesting discussion IMO.
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I don't pretend to know much about football, but it seems to me that in the NFL, when you have the elite talent at every position, a "pro-style" QB just works much better. The QB has an elite OLine that can give him time in the pocket and an elite RB to take care of the running game. NFL teams want a QB who is incredibly accurate (obviously), but considering the elite talent on the other side of the field, I can't imagine coaches want their QB running a lot and getting pummeled by the defense.
 
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Go Fight Win said:
If you ever have a kid who goes through the recruiting process.... i feel sorry
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I've followed recruiting long enough to know a good situation and a bad situation. I would never suggest any recruit sign as part of a (3) HS QB class. If it were my child, I would definitely be against it. When you over sign a position in a class, it turns out just like the over signing RBs in the last class. MAYBE 1 sticks and the others end up elsewhere. Why? Because coaches who get caught up in over signing, will usually continue to do so. If UT pushes for Jones, it's JMO that either QD or JJ will look elsewhere. Possibly both. If I were a parent of a recruit today, I would absolutely ask very direct questions. A (3) QB class with a 2016 already committed would be a pass in my mind. JMO
 
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TheHound said:
I don't pretend to know much about football, but it seems to me that in the NFL, when you have the elite talent at every position, a "pro-style" QB just works much better. The QB has an elite OLine that can give him time in the pocket and an elite RB to take care of the running game. NFL teams want a QB who is incredibly accurate (obviously), but considering the elite talent on the other side of the field, I can't imagine coaches want their QB running a lot and getting pummeled by the defense.
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If you cut to the quick the reason mobile QB's struggle in the NFL is mobile LB's and DE's. They cannot stay healthy meeting guys like Eric Berry over the middle either. Also they cannot complete their often sub par passes against NFL level secondaries. NFL coaches then try to convert them to more pocket passers like Kaepernik to disasterous results.

RG3-durability
Kaepernik-poor decision making/sub par passes
Vick-durability

Etc etc etc

There are very few Russell Wilson's in this world that can make the throws and scramble when needed. For mobile QB's it has to be tough because you know your feet can save you but is that the BEST option? Often after some bad outings they start getting away from the pass too soon and the problem becomes cyclical.
 
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IMO a guy like Dormady has a better chance of being an NFL talent than a guy like Dobbs. The inverse is true of possible success in CFB.
 
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DD4ME said:
IMO a guy like Dormady has a better chance of being an NFL talent than a guy like Dobbs. The inverse is true of possible success in CFB.
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I agree. I would like to see Dobbs with a better OL though. I tell myself he would stay in the pocket and look like a much better passer if he had more than 1.9 seconds to make a decision.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
I agree. I would like to see Dobbs with a better OL though. I tell myself he would stay in the pocket and look like a much better passer if he had more than 1.9 seconds to make a decision.
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He'd be a totally different QB with a great line and make some decent passes. That said he's not a Tyler Bray even given an NFL line. God gave him amazing talents though that especially in CFB offset that.
 
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QD can run. QD does run.
He appears to be a proficient pass first, run if needed QB. His current team has apparently one good WR, no quality RB and an outmatched OL. Recipe for a rough season...actually sounds a lot like Tennessee football this year.

QD is still a top QB. He is an EE. He and JJ compliment each other.

I can see a third quarterback in this class only if TENNESSEE has a QB that is going to transfer. Especially if the third QB is not an EE. however, I would not take a third QB at the expense of an OT position in anyway shape or form. If there's an option for a third QB versus a LT then LT all the way.
 
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If 3 qb's did pose a problem I hope we keep a QB in the style of Dormady. Zack Collaros is of his mold and just won a grey cup or whatever the Canadians call their SB. To continue being WRU ideally we want a pass first QB. Other wise we start becoming Meyer that is not known for putting guys in NFL.
 
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VolsDoc81TX said:
QD can run. QD does run.
He appears to be a proficient pass first, run if needed QB. His current team has apparently one good WR, no quality RB and an outmatched OL. Recipe for a rough season...actually sounds a lot like Tennessee football this year.

QD is still a top QB. He is an EE. He and JJ compliment each other.

I can see a third quarterback in this class only if TENNESSEE has a QB that is going to transfer. Especially if the third QB is not an EE. however, I would not take a third QB at the expense of an OT position in anyway shape or form. If there's an option for a third QB versus a LT then LT all the way.
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Agree Dormady is the new mold of mobile Pocket Passers Ala Wilson and Colaros.
 
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VolsDoc81TX said:
QD can run. QD does run.
He appears to be a proficient pass first, run if needed QB. His current team has apparently one good WR, no quality RB and an outmatched OL. Recipe for a rough season...actually sounds a lot like Tennessee football this year.

QD is still a top QB. He is an EE. He and JJ compliment each other.

I can see a third quarterback in this class only if TENNESSEE has a QB that is going to transfer. Especially if the third QB is not an EE. however, I would not take a third QB at the expense of an OT position in anyway shape or form. If there's an option for a third QB versus a LT then LT all the way.
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Agreed.
 
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DD4ME said:
He'd be a totally different QB with a great line and make some decent passes. That said he's not a Tyler Bray even given an NFL line. God gave him amazing talents though that especially in CFB offset that.
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Fortunately, Dobbs ill not have to play in the NFL to accomplish his goals. He has had problems throwing the ball all through his career. Hi likely will not become a great passer and he will not be a NFL runner. His brain will serve him well in his next profession.
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
Fortunately, Dobbs ill not have to play in the NFL to accomplish his goals. He has had problems throwing the ball all through his career. Hi likely will not become a great passer and he will not be a NFL runner. His brain will serve him well in his next profession.
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That truly is the coolest part about Dobbs. He's a class act and has a great head on his shoulders literally and figuratively. No better representative for our program.
 
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We really seem to worry too much about placing QBs in the NFL for a program that has produced only ONE longterm starter Peyton Manning. No program...save maybe USC...seems to be a factory in that department...and they only have ONE worth a crap presently...Carson Palmer (out for the season).
 
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Dormady can run. I'm not sure where that is coming from. Look not every "pro style" QB is like Worley. People need to get that out of their heads. He actually reminds me a lot of Brendan Kay with better accuracy and Kay did a very nice job running the offense at Cincy.

They aren't taking 3 QB's. Only way they go after the other kid is if one of the two committed guys magically flips at the last minute.
 
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DD4ME said:
If 3 qb's did pose a problem I hope we keep a QB in the style of Dormady. Zack Collaros is of his mold and just won a grey cup or whatever the Canadians call their SB. To continue being WRU ideally we want a pass first QB. Other wise we start becoming Meyer that is not known for putting guys in NFL.
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Yeah, 2 National Championships and a spot in the innaugural Playof......who would want to be known for that THAT!?!?

I hope we keep putting guys in the league, but we have a ton of guys on NFL rosters and what exactly has that gotten us the last 10 years?
 
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KBVol said:
More importantly, IMHO, he recorded a 4.14 shuttle time iirc.....that's quicker than Torrance Gibson if accurate and is very, very quick.
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Only Torrance Gibson can outperform Torrance Gibson. :)
 
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