'15 TX QB Quinten Dormady (UT Commit 6/9/14)

[patrick]

I've been watching college football for over 50 years sonny boy. Tennessee's offense will consist of RB's running the ball and WR's making catches. No one cares about your examples! Tennessee's QB's main job this year will be getting the ball to the playmakers.

In the five games Josh Dobbs started following Worley's injury he ran the ball 38 total times out of 183 rushing plays which results in a qb who carried the ball 20.7% of all rushing plays. That sir is CBJ's offensive scheme - his tendency - and tracks his historical qb rushing %'s....

He said when he took the job that his system is infallible - He isnt going to just scrap his offensive scheme because of recruiting better higher rated players.

 

[Volosaurus rex]

NFL Combine scouting report had Lefevour's 40 time at 4.66 but listed in his weaknesses "Not fast enough to make plays with his legs"...sometimes naturally faster players don't run smart enough to take advantage of defenses...Mark Brunnell was considered a dangerous runner at 4.8...I think you're way too concerned with this...things will work out. :thumbsup:

I am not at all concerned about this. I want productivity from the quarterback position, pure and simply, and I am not an advocate of dual-threat quarterbacks per se. My main point is that, if Butch has a quarterback with the speed and elusiveness to stretch the field from sideline to sideline, he will use him to that end. If he doesn't have a quarterback who can add that dimension, he can still be extremely productive within our offense, given the caliber of receivers, tight ends and running backs we are stockpiling. The simple reality here is that Butch does have an unambiguously clear track record on this point.

 

[Burger]

In the five games Josh Dobbs started following Worley's injury he ran the ball 38 total times out of 183 rushing plays which results in a qb who carried the ball 20.7% of all rushing plays. That sir is CBJ's offensive scheme - his tendency - and tracks his historical qb rushing %'s....

He said when he took the job that his system is infallible - He isnt going to just scrap his offensive scheme because of recruiting better higher rated players.

Did you ever see Brendan Kay running his system? All we need is the qb to keep the defense honest. I think Dormany can do that quite well.

 

[patrick]

And you're way off base 99.999876% of the time with your crap about running the QB. QB's run to get away from the rush, they run when they get sacked, they run when they get chased out of bounds much more than they run on designed plays. That in all of college football.

I have rarely discussed QB running %'s except within this thread so you are wrong there.

Secondly - please prove that my statistics are wrong.... FYI you can't because I did not make them up. Every statistic that I have mentioned herein came from each schools own statistics listed on their own website.

 

[lilesrt]

Volnation keeps saying, "We dont want to be a one trick pony". I say... It didn't work too bad for Auburn last year. IMO, Tennessee wants to run an offense that requires EVERYTHING to work perfectly for it to consistently sustain success. For example... Play breaks down? Tennessee throws it away or takes a loss. Auburn... Play breaks down? Their dual threat QB turns it into a 10 yard gain. That! IMO is the difference between a great dual threat QB, and a "takes 2 years to develop" Pro-Style QB.

 

[GBOVOLS]

A few points....

He runs a 4.15 shuttle and around the same 40 time as Dobbs. He shouldn't have any trouble keeping a defense honest. Also with him being an EE he'll have a lot of extra time to learn the intricacies of the zone read.

I also don't see how it's so far-fetched to think that CBJ is wanting to scale back the amount his QB runs now that he's in the most physical league in the country.

Finally, I'd rather take an athletic pocket passer and teach him the zone read than take a super athletic DT QB with a questionable passing game and have to coach him up on that. Much easier to teach scrambling and zone reads than an up tempo spread passing game. I would have loved to get TG, but you can't deny that he would have been a project as well.

You are right you can teach anyone to scramble and zone read but will they be effective. Example you could teach Manning to run the read zone and scramble but no one would respect it.

 

[VolsDoc81TX]

One might argue that with the UT coaches taking him, they obviously feel he can run well enough to execute their offense.

LV got my back? Nice
Rhanks
:hi:

 

[goooooovols]

Volnation keeps saying, "We dont want to be a one trick pony". I say... It didn't work too bad for Auburn last year. IMO, Tennessee wants to run an offense that requires EVERYTHING to work perfectly for it to consistently sustain success. For example... Play breaks down? Tennessee throws it away or takes a loss. Auburn... Play breaks down? Their dual threat QB turns it into a 10 yard gain. That! IMO is the difference between a great dual threat QB, and a "takes 2 years to develop" Pro-Style QB.

Dumb comment, that breakdown just as easy becomes a 10 yard loss when the DT QB tries to make a play! CBJ has not traditionally had a running QB, look it up...Dormady, Dobbs, Peterman are all typical skill sets to what he had at previous stops.

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

LV got my back? Nice
Rhanks
:hi:

Even I'm thinking this thread is getting crazy and that's saying a lot. lol:

I get discussing how 1 QB fits in vs another. Talking *'s or whatever, OK.

Trying to argue why the coaches are wrong in what they are looking for after taking the kids commitment?

Yeah, I'm not even sure where to go with that.

 

[k-town_king]

OK I know tg can run juke sprint ,but are we not talking about a QB .Are they not passers first ? Are we not stock piling Wr's ? I'm not impressed with TG's passing skills ,and I wish his fans on here would enlighten me on his 5* passing ability . IMO Dobbs is just as good a runner and a better passer. For that matter Jennings is probable a better passer . I think its a no-brainer to take QD with what we got .

Have you actually watched both players films? Dormady did not complete any type of pass that Gibson didn't. Gibson as a pure qb would still be rated as high or higher than Dormady. All the experts have said fans are underrating his arm and still is 4 star qb even if he couldn't run.

I do agree taking QD was a no brainer. We needed another good qb. We still want Gibson though. You can't put all your eggs in one basket then come up empty.

 

[CJBlaze]

Oh I know the story. I'm an old guy. My point is if you you're a Vol fan after the last several years you're pretty much a VFL. We all have one goal, to see the vols at the top of the mountain again. Some have differing opinions on how to get there. All this Vol on Vol hate bothers me. It's why I usually stay away from the football forum. The recruiting forum is inching closer each day to what the ff forum is. I don't understand why we have to ridicule a poster when we disagree. Can't we just say "I couldn't disagree more with that statement" and have a decent discussion instead of saying "you're the stupidest pile of $#/% I've ever seen. why don't you gtfo you useless piece of %#$÷"?

Well said! We're all supposed to be Vol fans but some people I guess just can't keep from making smartass remarks.

 

[Nashvegas31]

Love how people think coaches can't adapt or tweak things and will just always stay status quo....... Staying status quo gets you fired in SEC..... Only so many touches to go around and it's better if it's your playmakers not your QB. Butch has said many times he doesn't need a 20 yd gain he needs a 4-5 yd gain to keep honest. It doesn't take a 4.3 to do that. Worley can do that if he would just keep it more

 

[OldVol49vfl]

In the five games Josh Dobbs started following Worley's injury he ran the ball 38 total times out of 183 rushing plays which results in a qb who carried the ball 20.7% of all rushing plays. That sir is CBJ's offensive scheme - his tendency - and tracks his historical qb rushing %'s....

He said when he took the job that his system is infallible - He isnt going to just scrap his offensive scheme because of recruiting better higher rated players.

Worley and Dobbs did not have Hurd, Malone, Pearson, Helm, Wolf or Wharton. He'll not "scrap" a system but he will take advantage of the playmakers in his system. His main tendency is to win games, however he can make it happen. He's recruiting better, higher rated players for a reason and that reason is not to have them standing around watching a QB run.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

Worley and Dobbs did not have Hurd, Malone, Pearson, Helm, Wolf or Wharton. He'll not "scrap" a system but he will take advantage of the playmakers in his system. His main tendency is to win games, however he can make it happen. He's recruiting better, higher rated players for a reason and that reason is not to have them standing around watching a QB run.

I think there are going to be a lot of people who are surprised by how well Worley plays this year.

 

[OldVol49vfl]

I have rarely discussed QB running %'s except within this thread so you are wrong there.

Secondly - please prove that my statistics are wrong.... FYI you can't because I did not make them up. Every statistic that I have mentioned herein came from each schools own statistics listed on their own website.

I really don't care about your statistics. Real, caring Tennessee fans want to win. We don't care what happened somewhere else or what happened here last season. The only stats we care about is big numbers in the "Wins" column. Put your calculator down and get a life.

 

[jjay2518]

You are right you can teach anyone to scramble and zone read but will they be effective. Example you could teach Manning to run the read zone and scramble but no one would respect it.

In college Manning would have definitely been able to pull off some zone read. There would have been no reason to do it, but with his ball handling skills and his ability to read the defense, he could have easily gotten 5-10 yard gains multiple times a game. You don't have to be fast or a great athlete to execute a zone read scheme. Just know when the defense over commits to the RB and punish them when they do. Obviously the more athletic you are the worse you'll be able to punish them, but anyone who is athletic enough to play QB at the college level can get 5 yards when the defense sells out on the RB.

 

[turambar85]

I really don't care about your statistics. Real, caring Tennessee fans want to win. We don't care what happened somewhere else or what happened here last season. The only stats we care about is big numbers in the "Wins" column. Put your calculator down and get a life.

Such an enlightened attitude. Facts are facts, regardless of whether you want them to be or not. And calling someone an egghead or nerd (in essence) for taking the time to figure out what he is talking about is embarrassing.

While Patrick may be wrong to be as worried as he is, most of what he says - Butch's tendencies, SEC tendencies, what works, etc - is dead on.

 

[jjay2518]

Such an enlightened attitude. Facts are facts, regardless of whether you want them to be or not. And calling someone an egghead or nerd (in essence) for taking the time to figure out what he is talking about is embarrassing.

While Patrick may be wrong to be as worried as he is, most of what he says - Butch's tendencies, SEC tendencies, what works, etc - is dead on.

The stats are fine, but it is incorrect to assume that Dormady wouldn't be able to effectively run a zone read.

 

[turambar85]

I would prefer Gibson right now if he would commit today. But I would rather have a 100% shot at Dormady than a 60% chance at Gibson.

I think that Dormady is going to blow up. I would be surprised if he didn't end up a consensus top 140, and if he didn't make some top 100 lists. He is a great pro style QB. And he will be a very fine fit with this team. Butch will be able to work around his strengths and weaknesses quite well.

Gibson has a ceiling that could take a team to the big game. He is flashy, he is athletic as hell, and he could very well develop ino a serviceable SEC QB. And he might bring friends. He isn't a sure thing, though. And we already have another DT QB.

When all is said and done, I'm not upset that we snagged Dormady. He is a great brick in the 2015 foundation, and we will continue piling up excellent talent around him.

 

[Volosaurus rex]

In college Manning would have definitely been able to pull off some zone read. There would have been no reason to do it, but with his ball handling skills and his ability to read the defense, he could have easily gotten 5-10 yard gains multiple times a game. You don't have to be fast or a great athlete to execute a zone read scheme. Just know when the defense over commits to the RB and punish them when they do. Obviously the more athletic you are the worse you'll be able to punish them, but anyone who is athletic enough to play QB at the college level can get 5 yards when the defense sells out on the RB.

Although it was rarely used, Peyton has always had a highly effective alternative to the zone read. With his exceptional ball handling skills, he has made more than one highly athletic college and/or NFL defense look absolutely foolish with the naked bootleg.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

I cannot wait to see this guy in orange. I think he is hoping to blow up after this season. His offer list is gong to explode.

 

[Wickman]

In the five games Josh Dobbs started following Worley's injury he ran the ball 38 total times out of 183 rushing plays which results in a qb who carried the ball 20.7% of all rushing plays. That sir is CBJ's offensive scheme - his tendency - and tracks his historical qb rushing %'s....

He said when he took the job that his system is infallible - He isnt going to just scrap his offensive scheme because of recruiting better higher rated players.

And Dobbs will run it fine. Then, Dormady will run it fine

 

[turambar85]

The stats are fine, but it is incorrect to assume that Dormady wouldn't be able to effectively run a zone read.

Right. I agree. Though one worry with Dormady is that he had very pedestrian (to be polite) rushing stats in his last year. People say that he has some speed, but something stopped it from coming out in the games. His rushing numbers look like what you would expect from a mechanical arm cemented in the backfield.

 

[jjay2518]

Right. I agree. Though one worry with Dormady is that he had very pedestrian (to be polite) rushing stats in his last year. People say that he has some speed, but something stopped it from coming out in the games. His rushing numbers look like what you would expect from a mechanical arm cemented in the backfield.

I'm not too concerned about sophomore rushing stats for a QB in high school. If he really has a 4.15 shuttle, he's more than athletic enough to pick up decent yardage in the right system. He doesn't have to be Nick Marshall, just get a solid 5-10 yards if the defense ignores him to keep them honest.

 

[jjay2518]

Although it was rarely used, Peyton has always had a highly effective alternative to the zone read. With his exceptional ball handling skills, he has made more than one highly athletic college and/or NFL defense look absolutely foolish with the naked bootleg.

Exactly. Those naked bootlegs were what immediately came to my mind. Peyton could have embarrassed some defenses with the zone read.