'15 VA ATH Jaason Lewis

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eazyTD said:
I don't know where he's getting his info. Gurley has only tore his ACL once and it was this year
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I know. I don't expect that link I asked for anytime soon. I'll eat crow and apologize if Gurley somehow found time to tear his ACL and recover in between winning a national track championship in the spring of 2012 and rushing for 1300 yds and 17 TDs in the fall of the same year.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
No, it wouldn't. I just gave you a CLEAR example of where the listed time on some sites were way too slow. If you run a 4.8, as one had Dobbs listed, you ain't outrunning any defensive players except the DT's.

He was/is clearly faster than that. Plus, he mentioned in one interview that he was timed at 4.6 in HS, and his HUDL profile had him listed as that. But that's not going to stop critics like yourself from chosing the slowest one to use to bolster your argument.

Kendall Wright was thought to be a speedster at WR, coming from Baylor and RGIII's favorite target. He surprised everyone with a high 4.6 time at the combine. Both runs.

His draft stock fell considerably, but he was able to refine his TECHNIQUE by the time his Pro Day came around. He was able to improve upon it and get into the high 4.4's. So, based on technique for running the 40, one's time can fluctuate from one day to the next.

Bama's Heisman RB, Ingram had a similar situation happen with him. Ran a really slow 40 at the combine, and turned most teams off. But he got it back down to a respectable level at his Pro Day.

So, again...knowing these reported times are all over the place, you keep using them to bolster Gurley's estimated speed, but use Lewis' to bash him and try to make him sound slow.
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Ok. Jaason Lewis is as fast as Todd Gurley. Because you said so, and the only tangible proof either of us can provide doesn't fit your agenda. Now, about that link to his 2nd torn ACL...
 
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cncchris33 said:
Gonna need a link on that because I have never heard of Gurley tearing his ACL as a freshman at UGA when he was dominating the SEC. He played in every game that season and rushed for 1385 yds and 17 TDs.
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I stand corrected. It was a major ANKLE injury last season..

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...and an ACL tear this season. I misread an NFL draft report recently that seemed to indicate this was the 2nd ACL tear for Gurley. That's actually somewhat good news for me, as a Titan's fan, as I've been hoping we draft him with our 2nd Rd pick (#34 overall).

Still, even one ACL injury tends to take something out of a player (Justin Hunter never seemed to regain his form after his ACL tear), and I wouldn't be surprised if Gurley didn't miss a step or two once he heals up. Nevertheless, when talking about 250lb RB's, 4.5-4.6 is pretty darn fast and when those guys pick up a full head of steam, you don't want to be the db trying to tackle them.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
I stand corrected. It was a major ANKLE injury last season..

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...and an ACL tear this season. I misread an NFL draft report recently that seemed to indicate this was the 2nd ACL tear for Gurley. That's actually somewhat good news for me, as a Titan's fan, as I've been hoping we draft him with our 2nd Rd pick (#34 overall).

Still, even one ACL injury tends to take something out of a player (Justin Hunter never seemed to regain his form after his ACL tear)
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We're getting a bit off topic, but there are safer picks if the Titans were to select a running back in the second. If Gurley returns to form, it would be a good pick. I just don't think the Titans should take the risk.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Ok. Jaason Lewis is as fast as Todd Gurley. Because you said so, and the only tangible proof either of us can provide doesn't fit your agenda. Now, about that link to his 2nd torn ACL...
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I didn't say he was just as fast, just that the difference between 4.45 and 4.5 is negligible and YOU are the one trying to hype one player's 40 time and underestimate the other's....just to start and keep an argument going
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
I didn't say he was just as fast, just that the difference between 4.45 and 4.5 is negligible and YOU are the one trying to hype one player's 40 time and underestimate the other's....just to start and keep an argument going
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Funny because now you are using Lewis' fastest alleged time (4.5) and Gurley's slowest time (4.45) to try and narrow the Grand Canyon-esque gap in their respective speeds...all this to keep the argument going I presume.

Pot, meet kettle.
 
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Ethan Hooper said:
We're getting a bit off topic, but there are safer picks if the Titans were to select a running back in the second. If Gurley returns to form, it would be a good pick. I just don't think the Titans should take the risk.
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Melvin Gordon is not going to get past the middle of the 1st Rd, and there are no other RB's in his and Gurley's league, so a 2nd Rd pick is worth it, IMHO. I have no doubt Gurley would have been a top 5 pick had he not gotten suspended 4 games and gotten injured. He and Gordon have the unique ability to take over a game, and getting a player like that in the 2nd is a good roll of the dice, any day of the week.

That's why it's silly to sit here and waste time arguing about someone's forty time...JUST BECAUSE YOU COMPARE A RB'S SIZE and SPEED COMBINATION to another's. I even tried to make a distinction in that regard to avoid having some dingleberry coming along and argue against what I wasn't EVEN SAYING!
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
That's why it's silly to sit here and waste time arguing about someone's forty time...JUST BECAUSE YOU COMPARE A RB'S SIZE and SPEED COMBINATION to another's. I even tried to make a distinction in that regard to avoid having some dingleberry coming along and argue against what I wasn't EVEN SAYING!
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You probably should just drop the issue because you have been dead wrong on every account so far.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Funny because now you are using Lewis' fastest alleged time (4.5) and Gurley's slowest time (4.45) to try and narrow the Grand Canyon-esque gap in their respective speeds...all this to keep the argument going I presume.

Pot, meet kettle.
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Dude...just shut the hell up. I was initially saying that Lewis had the same kind of size and speed element. Why is it that every time someone compares a player to someone with similar attributes to another that contrarians like yourself come out of the woodwork just to waste time arguing over silliness (about them not being as good in this or that aspect).

I just gave two clear examples where 40 times where way off in different directions, and you are going in different directions with your argument...just for the sake of hearing yourself argue.

Go argue with a brick wall, for all I care. I'm not wasting another second fussing with you over such a pointless issue.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
Melvin Gordon is not going to get past the middle of the 1st Rd, and there are no other RB's in his and Gurley's league, so a 2nd Rd pick is worth it, IMHO. I have no doubt Gurley would have been a top 5 pick had he not gotten suspended 4 games and gotten injured. He and Gordon have the unique ability to take over a game, and getting a player like that in the 2nd is a good roll of the dice, any day of the week.

That's why it's silly to sit here and waste time arguing about someone's forty time...JUST BECAUSE YOU COMPARE A RB'S SIZE and SPEED COMBINATION to another's. I even tried to make a distinction in that regard to avoid having some dingleberry coming along and argue against what I wasn't EVEN SAYING!
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I know I'm about to get flamed, but IF you don't think Gurley will return to his old form, give me Yeldon in the second. Most will think that is too high for him, but I think he will turn out to be one of the better running backs in this draft class. The Titans need playmakers, and Yeldon is that. His stats would have been a lot better if he hadn't been in the best backfield in the country. If Gurley recovers, I think he'll be the better back, but the Titans aren't in the position to be taking risks.
 
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Ethan Hooper said:
I know I'm about to get flamed, but IF you don't think Gurley will return to his old form, give me Yeldon in the second. Most will think that is too high for him, but I think he will turn out to be one of the better running backs in this draft class. The Titans need playmakers, and Yeldon is that. His stats would have been a lot better if he hadn't been in the best backfield in the country. If Gurley recovers, I think he'll be the better back, but the Titans aren't in the position to be taking risks.
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I don't think his ACL tear was anything like what we saw with Lattimore. He may not be a full 100% his first year back, but short and long term, Gurley is more of a game-changer than Yeldon, IMHO.

I might even take the Indiana RB before Yeldon. Just think the Titans need to come away with a true franchise QB and RB in this draft, while we are drafting this early each round.
 
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This would be a great last minute addition to this class. The kid has always wanted to be a Vol. He had some concerns when we signed 3 backs in last years class and was being recruited as an athlete. He put up big numbers this year playing RB for a full season as opposed to splitting time at WR like last season, and is now being recruited as purely a RB prospect (at least that is what he is being told now). He was ready to commit early in the process having never visited. I think after the visit this is a done deal. He doesn't have 3 backs in the class ahead of him now (only 2 with Kamara being a soph and the Paulk situation an unknown) and only one, Bussey, coming in this class with him. This is a very easy sell. Plus, this guy showed some very nice burst at the Army All-American game for a 250 pound back. Everyone making a big deal about his 40 time on here is kind of ludicrous. A guy at 6'2" and 250 lbs (and not fat) running anywhere in the 4.5 range is a monster. I take that over 5'9" and 180 lbs running a 4.3 all day long in the SEC. But that is just my personal opinion if its a matter of choosing between the two. Having him and Heard both gives you two freakish physical specimens in the same backfield, not to mention the phenomenal prospects that Kamara and Bussey are.
 
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I'd like to take Lewis as our 3rd RB. His ceiling may not be as high as some of the other backs we're looking at (and he may actually be suited better for another position), but his size means that he'd be able to hold up physically for early playing time if we have a string of RB injuries. And JMO, but I think that's what we need in our 3rd back this cycle--someone we know we could throw in this fall if Hurd and/or Kamara go down.
 
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TriCitiesVol said:
Take this guy. He's an ATH who could excel at several positions.

RB, H-back, LB, DE

His versatility is unmatched in this class.
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The problem is to him, he's a RB. Like Jennings is a QB. We can't take him at ATH without lying to him which could lead to a transfer.
 
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OddFuture said:
The problem is to him, he's a RB. Like Jennings is a QB. We can't take him at ATH without lying to him which could lead to a transfer.
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His willingness to be open to other positions could be his only drawback. Tell him if it doesn't work out at RB, we'll throw you on the defensive side (where I think he belongs).
 
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