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Vols said:
I know this is heresy, but I'm starting to wonder a little bit about KM. We're 2/3 through the season and he hasn't really shown much.
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You have to remember that he didn't play his senior year of high school, he was not an early enrollee like Tuttle, he was injured in preseason (concussion, I think) and missed significant time, he is just a freshman at a position in the SEC (and other major conferences) that coaches prefer for any player getting time to at least be in his second year with the program, and space eating DTs generally are not stat stuffers, even future NFLers. I also think the expectations placed on him were outlandish. I agree, however, that it is too early to tell if McKenzie is going to be a first round NFL draft pick type player like he was expected to be but I think he has played well under the circumstances and I do not doubt that he is going to be substantially better next year.
 
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TheHound said:
He's just a freshman at DT. I'd say give him more time before you start to have doubts.
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I think these young guys will show what they are gonna be all about by the end of there sophomore year to midway through junior season. give the young uns some time to develop before you bench em to vandy
 
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Biopsyman said:
Vickers will be a starter next year
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I'm missing what you're seeing here. When I watch the video, Vickers gets too high and gets driven back too much. Not saying he can't be a solid contributor, but he's got some improving to do before he moves past Tuttle, Kmac, and IMO OBrien.

OBrien has a surprisingly quick first step resulting is a lot of penetration. Not sure if he can be counted on though due to his off the field issues.

Go back and watch the DL video and see if you don't agree.
 
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Vols said:
I know this is heresy, but I'm starting to wonder a little bit about KM. We're 2/3 through the season and he hasn't really shown much.
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Mckenzie 14 tackles 1 Forced Fumble
Tuttle 10 Tackles (6 games)
Vickers 13 tackles 1 TFL
Williams 14 tackles 1 sack 2.5 TFLs
O'Brien 6 tackles 1 sack 1 tfl

I would say he is doing well for a true freshmen. producing on the same level as the older guys.
 
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The biggest thing I'm surprised about is how he has show no pass rush, or ability to push the pocket. He still has play good though.
 
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white65 said:
The biggest thing I'm surprised about is how he has show no pass rush, or ability to push the pocket. He still has play good though.
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It's easier to dominate an OL 1 on 1. It's different in game situations and he still has looked like a handful. When he gets a little stronger, look out.
 
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Vols said:
I know this is heresy, but I'm starting to wonder a little bit about KM. We're 2/3 through the season and he hasn't really shown much.
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You're wondering about a true freshman DT who didn't get to play his sr year of HS, and who was not an EE? Seriously? I think he is now starting to play very well, all things considered.
 
#864
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Opposing coaches already know about McKenzie, even if some of our fans don't. He's doubled frequently, despite being a true freshman and despite having very good DEs on either side of him.

Football isn't always about the box score, and nowhere is that more true than at DT.
 
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BigOrange15 said:
It's easier to dominate an OL 1 on 1. It's different in game situations and he still has looked like a handful. When he gets a little stronger, look out.
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Don't think strength is the problem. He stalemates or pushes back most he goes up against 1 on 1. It is more of quickness and endurance issue with him. He still needs to lose a little weight. Next year he should be dominant.

The reason Shy has made more of an impact is because of his combination of size/strength/lateral movement.
 
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All the DTs are doing well at maintaining their rush lanes. Very few scrambles up the middle because of that. As long as they do that, sacks will happen, although it might not be the tackles who make them.
 
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LouderVol said:
Mckenzie 14 tackles 1 Forced Fumble
Tuttle 10 Tackles (6 games)
Vickers 13 tackles 1 TFL
Williams 14 tackles 1 sack 2.5 TFLs
O'Brien 6 tackles 1 sack 1 tfl

I would say he is doing well for a true freshmen. producing on the same level as the older guys.
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Just to put this in perspective, Albert Haynesworth had 11 tackles (2 TFL) his freshman year. Big John had 43 tackles and 4 sacks as an RS FR. McKenzie didn't play as much at the start of the season due to conditioning, but has definitely made his presence felt since Shy's injury.
 
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jspvol76 said:
Don't think strength is the problem. He stalemates or pushes back most he goes up against 1 on 1. It is more of quickness and endurance issue with him. He still needs to lose a little weight. Next year he should be dominant.

The reason Shy has made more of an impact is because of his combination of size/strength/lateral movement.
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Shy was an EE and that is the reason he is ahead of his projection. He was an outstanding HS DT and will likely be All SEC before he leaves Tennessee.
 
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Bms4880 said:
Just to put this in perspective, Albert Haynesworth had 11 tackles (2 TFL) his freshman year. Big John had 43 tackles and 4 sacks as an RS FR. McKenzie didn't play as much at the start of the season due to conditioning, but has definitely made his presence felt since Shy's injury.
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You know your program is in pretty good shape when you are able to redshirt a John Henderson...
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
Shy was an EE and that is the reason he is ahead of his projection. He was an outstanding HS DT and will likely be All SEC before he leaves Tennessee.
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Yes, which is why all those things I mentioned are better at this point.
 
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walkenvol said:
I'm missing what you're seeing here. When I watch the video, Vickers gets too high and gets driven back too much. Not saying he can't be a solid contributor, but he's got some improving to do before he moves past Tuttle, Kmac, and IMO OBrien.

OBrien has a surprisingly quick first step resulting is a lot of penetration. Not sure if he can be counted on though due to his off the field issues.

Go back and watch the DL video and see if you don't agree.
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I think Vickers is a player.. Very Similar to Owen Williams.. Very strong and hard to move
 
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