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bowlinggreenvol said:
What does any of that have to do with him using the phrases that he uses with the media around the team?
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I'm saying when you hear him, you hear what he wants. He is the master at knowing his audience. If you think he talks like his interviews to his players everyday that's pretty dang hard for me to believe that you don't know better than that.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
What does any of that have to do with him using the phrases that he uses with the media around the team?
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We've heard plenty of recruits and players over the last few years talk about the staff "keeping it real" and talking about life outside of football, as the poster referred to in his response. Would seem to indicate that there's more to Butch than the robotic lingo. Not sure how you missed that point in his post. Not sure why it bothers some as much as it does, either. It is what it is.
 
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unioncityvol said:
I'm saying when you hear him, you hear what he wants. He is the master at knowing his audience. If you think he talks like his interviews to his players everyday that's pretty dang hard for me to believe that you don't know better than that.
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Realistically, I think everybody knows there's a side of Butch we don't get to see all too often. I guess it just frustrates that they don't get to see that side of him as much as recruits and players.
 
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unioncityvol said:
I'm saying when you hear him, you hear what he wants. He is the master at knowing his audience. If you think he talks like his interviews to his players everyday that's pretty dang hard for me to believe that you don't know better than that.
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I said he says the same stuff, not that he ONLY says the same stuff
 
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What exactly is wrong with a coach using coaching speak or coaching phrases when speaking to the media, his players, or otherwise?

Research shows that humans can store and internalize information faster and more effectively when given an action phrase/s that conveys a desired behavior. Butch has done a great job of recalerbrating his players mind sets and cognative demeanor, comparable to the United States military. Butch is creating a team of soldiers, zealots, that will fight and win. Consistently repeating crucially relevant coaching phrases will ultimately lead to his players internalizing it and then externalizing it on and off the field. It is evident in his players speech when they are interviewed after a practice or game. It is also evident in the way his players play on the field. This football season was a perfect example of this teaching method's effectiveness. Butch's process is clear and consistent. He only wastes breath talking about winning football and winning attitude. I love it.

Disclaimer:
I am a huge Butch Jones fan and love how he uses unique and sometimes very simple coaching speak to create a team that understands winning football.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
Facts are facts
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While you sit around trying to have 'gotcha' moments on the internet, I go out and enjoy other aspects of life. So big deal you got me, even though the crux of my argument does not change. Saban still had a guy attempt a 58 yard FG instead of taking the game into OT.It's still an example of a coach making a late game mistake. And once again you sided with a troll to take more digs at the coach of a team you supposedly cheer for. You are a sad example of a UT fan. Probably need to go find another team. And maybe another board to bother.
 
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After hearing Butch Jones interviews for the last few years, It is a bit of a shock to listen to Rick Barnes. One seems a bit ignorant the other a bit too honest.
 
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vavolfan6 said:
After hearing Butch Jones interviews for the last few years, It is a bit of a shock to listen to Rick Barnes. One seems a bit ignorant the other a bit too honest.
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Butch is ignorant to you? He's got to be the most thorough, on point, coach in the known universe. The guy is cognizant of the pulse on literally everything surrounding his program.

That notwithstanding, i do love listening to Barnes, but i dont really have to have that in a coach.
 
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sanddune50 said:
While you sit around trying to have 'gotcha' moments on the internet, I go out and enjoy other aspects of life. So big deal you got me, even though the crux of my argument does not change. Saban still had a guy attempt a 58 yard FG instead of taking the game into OT.It's still an example of a coach making a late game mistake. And once again you sided with a troll to take more digs at the coach of a team you supposedly cheer for. You are a sad example of a UT fan. Probably need to go find another team. And maybe another board to bother.
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What if we start winning too much and he's not around to tell us why it's not a good thing? :dunno:
 
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SigNu_VolFan said:
We've heard plenty of recruits and players over the last few years talk about the staff "keeping it real" and talking about life outside of football, as the poster referred to in his response. Would seem to indicate that there's more to Butch than the robotic lingo. Not sure how you missed that point in his post. Not sure why it bothers some as much as it does, either. It is what it is.
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He only said "best staff in America" once and they shoehorn it into every thread...is that TROLLSPEAK? :hmm:
 
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You guys should look up the video of Butch talking about when his dad passed and it was middle of the season at CMU. He actually sounds like a normal human being. Butch is a badazz. Saban is gona hate that we are their annual East game. We gona be hell next 5 yrs minimum if 17 class is as good as it can be.
 
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engineerVOL said:
Butch is ignorant to you? He's got to be the most thorough, on point, coach in the known universe. The guy is cognizant of the pulse on literally everything surrounding his program.

That notwithstanding, i do love listening to Barnes, but i dont really have to have that in a coach.
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I love Butch, I don't mind his coach speak and yes, I do believe the success of this program is solely responsible in thanks to him. He is a great recruiter, motivator, and leader. I think time will prove that he is also a great talent evaluator and can develop players to reach their full potential. Aside from those things, I think he does a fantastic job in all the things that go behind the scenes that tends to go unnoticed and unappreciated. I have a lot of praise for Butch. I never jumped ship against him during our tough stretch of losses...

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There is no denying that the guy is or at least portrays himself to be ignorant to the media. He would not admit his coaching mistakes or acknowledge any concerns that 99% of Volnation had. It seemed as if there wasn't any accountability to coaches, players, or decisions that played fault to the team's downfalls. Butch only wants positive coverage. I understand that, but negative coverage isn't bad when the coach responds well to it. Alot of fans wanted to quit on Butch, not only because he was losing games he shouldn't have, but because it didn't seem as if the team was prepared to take on the task of learning and growing from their mistakesRather, the response was to trust the system and act as if everyone else had no reason to be concerned. The team had a successful season at 9-4, but could have easily won 3 of those losses had they made adjustments and weren't so conservative.

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Compare this to Rick Barnes who analyzes everything about each one of his players and refuses to give them too much praise. Even when a player has a terrific game, he will always mention what that individual could have done better.
 
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vavolfan6 said:
I love Butch, I don't mind his coach speak and yes, I do believe the success of this program is solely responsible in thanks to him. He is a great recruiter, motivator, and leader. I think time will prove that he is also a great talent evaluator and can develop players to reach their full potential. Aside from those things, I think he does a fantastic job in all the things that go behind the scenes that tends to go unnoticed and unappreciated. I have a lot of praise for Butch. I never jumped ship against him during our tough stretch of losses...

YET..

There is no denying that the guy is or at least portrays himself to be ignorant to the media. He would not admit his coaching mistakes or acknowledge any concerns that 99% of Volnation had. It seemed as if there wasn't any accountability to coaches, players, or decisions that played fault to the team's downfalls. Butch only wants positive coverage. I understand that, but negative coverage isn't bad when the coach responds well to it. Alot of fans wanted to quit on Butch, not only because he was losing games he shouldn't have, but because it didn't seem as if the team was prepared to take on the task of learning and growing from their mistakesRather, the response was to trust the system and act as if everyone else had no reason to be concerned. The team had a successful season at 9-4, but could have easily won 3 of those losses had they made adjustments and weren't so conservative.

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Compare this to Rick Barnes who analyzes everything about each one of his players and refuses to give them too much praise. Even when a player has a terrific game, he will always mention what that individual could have done better.
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Butch responded to the negative coverage by meeting expectations for the season and winning 6 of the last 7. He also has obviously responded to criticism by making big changes on offense and defense.

He fired a DC who was performing well (but not great) and went out and got a huge upgrade, and he also gave (I assume) DeBord the green light to add a major wrinkle to the offense and start running plays with Dobbs under center (granted, it was just a few plays in the bowl game, but I bet we will see more of it next season).

Butch doesn't need to admit his mistakes or talk about his failures to the media as long as he addresses them on the field or in the film room, and so far he's doing that.

The Shoop hire and the offense's evolution are extremely encouraging developments for him as a coach, IMO. If he's willing to shelve things he's comfortable with in order to be more competitive, he has a very high ceiling as a coach. That was the only thing I thought was holding him back, but the moves he made recently suggest he's serious about doing whatever it takes to win championships.
 
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Aesius said:
Butch responded to the negative coverage by meeting expectations for the season and winning 6 of the last 7. He also has obviously responded to criticism by making big changes on offense and defense.

He fired a DC who was performing well (but not great) and went out and got a huge upgrade, and he also gave (I assume) DeBord the green light to add a major wrinkle to the offense and start running plays with Dobbs under center (granted, it was just a few plays in the bowl game, but I bet we will see more of it next season).

Butch doesn't need to admit his mistakes or talk about his failures to the media as long as he addresses them on the field or in the film room, and so far he's doing that.

The Shoop hire and the offense's evolution are extremely encouraging developments for him as a coach, IMO. If he's willing to shelve things he's comfortable with in order to be more competitive, he has a very high ceiling as a coach. That was the only thing I thought was holding him back, but the moves he made recently suggest he's serious about doing whatever it takes to win championships.
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