'16 GA DT Derrick Brown

[SergeantVol]

Butch responded to the negative coverage by meeting expectations for the season and winning 6 of the last 7. He also has obviously responded to criticism by making big changes on offense and defense.

He fired a DC who was performing well (but not great) and went out and got a huge upgrade, and he also gave (I assume) DeBord the green light to add a major wrinkle to the offense and start running plays with Dobbs under center (granted, it was just a few plays in the bowl game, but I bet we will see more of it next season).

Butch doesn't need to admit his mistakes or talk about his failures to the media as long as he addresses them on the field or in the film room, and so far he's doing that.

The Shoop hire and the offense's evolution are extremely encouraging developments for him as a coach, IMO. If he's willing to shelve things he's comfortable with in order to be more competitive, he has a very high ceiling as a coach. That was the only thing I thought was holding him back, but the moves he made recently suggest he's serious about doing whatever it takes to win championships.

Ftw!

 

[vavolfan6]

Ignorant?..I do not think that word means what you think it does. ��

What do you mean? Ignorant is blowing a large lead at half-time over and over again from the same mistake of being conservative. Butch never addressed concerns over being conservative in the season. He ignored volnation as they implored that the team be a bit more aggressive with a lead and throw instead of running every play.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

If you want to know what the word "ignorant" means..You are being a prime example right now. You do not know what the word means. You are therefore "ignorant" of its meaning. Butch is stubborn, and he ignores VN (as he should) that does not make him "ignorant". �� have a nice day.

 

[Big Orange Jeff]

What do you mean? He ignored volnation as they implored that the team be a bit more aggressive with a lead and throw instead of running every play.

The minute a coach goes to a message board for coaching advice or changes his game plan based upon what the fan base thinks he needs to do is the same minute that coach deserves to get fired.

 

[Glitch]

You guys should look up the video of Butch talking about when his dad passed and it was middle of the season at CMU. He actually sounds like a normal human being. Butch is a badazz. Saban is gona hate that we are their annual East game. We gona be hell next 5 yrs minimum if 17 class is as good as it can be.

Saban might start having chest pains and the overwhelming urge to spend more time with his family after next season.

 

[vavolfan6]

Butch responded to the negative coverage by meeting expectations for the season and winning 6 of the last 7. He also has obviously responded to criticism by making big changes on offense and defense.

He fired a DC who was performing well (but not great) and went out and got a huge upgrade, and he also gave (I assume) DeBord the green light to add a major wrinkle to the offense and start running plays with Dobbs under center (granted, it was just a few plays in the bowl game, but I bet we will see more of it next season).

Butch doesn't need to admit his mistakes or talk about his failures to the media as long as he addresses them on the field or in the film room, and so far he's doing that.

The Shoop hire and the offense's evolution are extremely encouraging developments for him as a coach, IMO. If he's willing to shelve things he's comfortable with in order to be more competitive, he has a very high ceiling as a coach. That was the only thing I thought was holding him back, but the moves he made recently suggest he's serious about doing whatever it takes to win championships.

Sorry, don't mean to clog up the DB thread. I know it is frustrating to pull up this thread hoping for new developments.

Yet, out of boredom I would like to respond.

As I have mentioned. I love Butch and all that he offers for this program. What fans fail to realize during the season is that he offers so much more than on-field coaching decisions. As you mentioned he was able to lure in Bob Shoop. Granted, it is speculated that Janeck was let go for more reasons than simply his performance, this looks to be a great series of events. Whereas other programs couldn't lure Bob Shoop, Tennessee and CBJ were able to do so. I agree that he is willing to do all that it takes to win.

Possibly, his willingness to do whatever it takes cost the team this season. Maybe it was more than ignorance, but more so stubborness. Say what you want about the team winning 6 of 7 games this season, but honest fans still are concerned whether Butch learned from his conservatism. His stubborness to stick by it has somewhat cost the team. Yes, he showed more aggression later in the year, but it is when he is in a lead that we were in most danger. We allowed teams back in the game and lost 3 games early in the year from the same mistake. Even in the end of the year, if it weren't for a last second defensive play, we would have blown a huge lead of South Carolina.

I don't think Butch needs to admit mistakes to the media all the time, but after losing 3 games from the same philosophy, he should be willing to answer or at least acknowledge his critics. Yet, instead, he seemed to show frustration at the criticism from the media as if he was above it. He even wanted to advise the media what to write on rather than doing the simple think of acknowledging the concerns and revisit the game plan. Yet, he portrayed himself ignorant and was willing to drag the team down with the same philosophy.

In hindsight, everything turned out, yet some wonder what this season could have been. If it continues I think his recruiting, on-the-field talent, and motivational speeches will have to bail him out of some of his questionable in-game strategies.

 

[unioncityvol]

Saban might start having chest pains and the overwhelming urge to spend more time with his family after next season.

Exactly I'm really starting to feel it. The hype is real this time. The way I felt in 99 and we came back with most of the team that won it and added Jamal back from injury. We lost in the swamp because Alex Brown somehow knew our snap count and was hitting Tee 50 times it seems before he could get the ball and look up, but I just knew we were gona win every game and we had a squad I wouldn't trade for anyone. Got that feeling again. This D, running game, return teams, and just minimal improvement in the passing game, and Medley tweak his swing just a bit and then anybody, anywhere, anytime. Bama and Florida are on notice imo.

 

[VOLuptuousBOOMS]

Every time you feel the urge to think/say something negative about Butch. Stop take a deep breath and say Dooley. All your worries will be alleviated

 

[vavolfan6]

The minute a coach goes to a message board for coaching advice or changes his game plan based upon what the fan base thinks he needs to do is the same minute that coach deserves to get fired.

Ok....if you want to act like this message board was the only one voicing criticism then you have short-term memory.

Many analysts all throughout the country had the same concerns. You don't have to be a collegiate football coach to notice that the team blew 3 large halftime leads and deduce a reason from it. The only response Butch would give is that the defense failed to make one play that would have one game. Yet, ignored the part he played in allowing teams to get back in the game with his in-game coaching strategy.

 

[Big Orange Jeff]

Ok....if you want to act like this message board was the only one voicing criticism then you have short-term memory.

Many analysts all throughout the country had the same concerns. You don't have to be a collegiate football coach to notice that the team blew 3 large halftime leads and deduce a reason from it. The only response Butch would give is that the defense failed to make one play that would have one game. Yet, ignored the part he played in allowing teams to get back in the game with his in-game coaching strategy.

First, I never claimed this message board was the only venue for his critics.

Second, many things factored into those losses. Lack of quality depth, particularly on the O-line, can easily be cited as the primary contributor for late-game lapses.

Third, I'd bet that it's been addressed to the team's and to his superiors' satisfaction. And, I don't care what "many analysts all throughout the country" have to say. He owes no explanation to the media or the masses as long as the program shows consistent improvement, which it has.

Thankfully, the AD haven't listened to the masses. If so, Butch would have been fired mid-season.

 

[bUTchplease2]

My boss graduated from UGA with Kirby and knows him fairly well. He says Kirbs can be quite the d-bag.

Being at Alabama that long and now at Georgia?? I'd say that's pretty accurate

 

[JacketVol]

Ok....if you want to act like this message board was the only one voicing criticism then you have short-term memory.

Many analysts all throughout the country had the same concerns. You don't have to be a collegiate football coach to notice that the team blew 3 large halftime leads and deduce a reason from it. The only response Butch would give is that the defense failed to make one play that would have one game. Yet, ignored the part he played in allowing teams to get back in the game with his in-game coaching strategy.

Please just stop. Quit screwing with the DB THREAD. Not sure if that is the thread I am in or not.

 

[Phat-Phil]

Sorry, don't mean to clog up the DB thread.

Stop doing it then. This has absolutely nothing to do with this recruit and I'd say next to no one gave a damn the first time you posted your opinion on Butch and 10 posts later it's beyond annoying.

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

While you sit around trying to have 'gotcha' moments on the internet, I go out and enjoy other aspects of life. So big deal you got me, even though the crux of my argument does not change. Saban still had a guy attempt a 58 yard FG instead of taking the game into OT.It's still an example of a coach making a late game mistake. And once again you sided with a troll to take more digs at the coach of a team you supposedly cheer for. You are a sad example of a UT fan. Probably need to go find another team. And maybe another board to bother.

You have 1.5k more posts than me in 2 less years. Who spends more of their life on here dumbarse? I sided with a troll and should root for another school by pointing out Saban didn't call a TO? You have a real penchant for deducting BS out of posts that isn't there. And yet you call me sensitive.

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

What if we start winning too much and he's not around to tell us why it's not a good thing? :dunno:

Been here 4 years longer than you butchna, I'll continue to be around.

 

[butchna]

Been here 4 years longer than you butchna, I'll continue to be around.

I was lamenting the void you would leave in our universe. . Kinda like A Wonderful Life...hold the Wonderful.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Saban might start having chest pains and the overwhelming urge to spend more time with his family after next season.

Are you saying he might have a bad case of Urbanitis?

 

[Volnukem]

You have 1.5k more posts than me in 2 less years. Who spends more of their life on here dumbarse? I sided with a troll and should root for another school by pointing out Saban didn't call a TO? You have a real pension for deducting BS out of posts that isn't there. And yet you call me sensitive.

The word you are looking for is penchant not pension.

 

[Crazy Ivan]

Stop doing it then. This has absolutely nothing to do with this recruit and I'd say next to no one gave a damn the first time you posted your opinion on Butch and 10 posts later it's beyond annoying.

 

[JohnD13]

Sorry, don't mean to clog up the DB thread. I know it is frustrating to pull up this thread hoping for new developments.

Yet, out of boredom I would like to respond.

As I have mentioned. I love Butch and all that he offers for this program. What fans fail to realize during the season is that he offers so much more than on-field coaching decisions. As you mentioned he was able to lure in Bob Shoop. Granted, it is speculated that Janeck was let go for more reasons than simply his performance, this looks to be a great series of events. Whereas other programs couldn't lure Bob Shoop, Tennessee and CBJ were able to do so. I agree that he is willing to do all that it takes to win.

Possibly, his willingness to do whatever it takes cost the team this season. Maybe it was more than ignorance, but more so stubborness. Say what you want about the team winning 6 of 7 games this season, but honest fans still are concerned whether Butch learned from his conservatism. His stubborness to stick by it has somewhat cost the team. Yes, he showed more aggression later in the year, but it is when he is in a lead that we were in most danger. We allowed teams back in the game and lost 3 games early in the year from the same mistake. Even in the end of the year, if it weren't for a last second defensive play, we would have blown a huge lead of South Carolina.

I don't think Butch needs to admit mistakes to the media all the time, but after losing 3 games from the same philosophy, he should be willing to answer or at least acknowledge his critics. Yet, instead, he seemed to show frustration at the criticism from the media as if he was above it. He even wanted to advise the media what to write on rather than doing the simple think of acknowledging the concerns and revisit the game plan. Yet, he portrayed himself ignorant and was willing to drag the team down with the same philosophy.

In hindsight, everything turned out, yet some wonder what this season could have been. If it continues I think his recruiting, on-the-field talent, and motivational speeches will have to bail him out of some of his questionable in-game strategies.

And you clogged it up anyway... Congrats:clapping::clapping::clapping:

 

[BondJamesBond]

Can someone direct me to the recruiting forum? Thanks in advance.

 

[Vols B]

My take on Butch is that his weaknesses are game day decisions (when to use time outs, accept/turn down penalties, go for 2, etc.) and being too conservative with a lead. The former seems to come from an inability to think on his feet, but he makes up for that with over preparation in every other area. Being conservative with a lead (perhaps because of Dobbs' inaccuracy and tendency to fumble in the pocket) used to work out for Fulmer and wasn't really a bad strategy statistically this year assuming a reasonably strong defense, but didn't seem to work out for Butch. Maybe this is why he was willing to get rid of Jancek, to upgrade the defense to hold those leads despite a conservative offense - or perhaps even give him confidence to be a little less conservative with a lead. His hiring of Shoop, and Scott with hid connections, were BOSS moves of the highest order, recruiting-wise and wrt on-the-field performance. I fear that his game day decisions may still cost us a game here or there, but his personnel decisions wrt coaches and his exceptional recruiting and motivational prowess will keep us near the top for years to come. Gbmfo!

 

[musolfmj]

Can someone direct me to the recruiting forum? Thanks in advance.

If you find it, perhaps you could direct me to a thread on this big tackle I've heard about, fella named Brown I believe.

 

[VolGee4]

Sorry, don't mean to clog up the DB thread. I know it is frustrating to pull up this thread hoping for new developments.

Yet, out of boredom I would like to respond.

As I have mentioned. I love Butch and all that he offers for this program. What fans fail to realize during the season is that he offers so much more than on-field coaching decisions. As you mentioned he was able to lure in Bob Shoop. Granted, it is speculated that Janeck was let go for more reasons than simply his performance, this looks to be a great series of events. Whereas other programs couldn't lure Bob Shoop, Tennessee and CBJ were able to do so. I agree that he is willing to do all that it takes to win.

Possibly, his willingness to do whatever it takes cost the team this season. Maybe it was more than ignorance, but more so stubborness. Say what you want about the team winning 6 of 7 games this season, but honest fans still are concerned whether Butch learned from his conservatism. His stubborness to stick by it has somewhat cost the team. Yes, he showed more aggression later in the year, but it is when he is in a lead that we were in most danger. We allowed teams back in the game and lost 3 games early in the year from the same mistake. Even in the end of the year, if it weren't for a last second defensive play, we would have blown a huge lead of South Carolina.

I don't think Butch needs to admit mistakes to the media all the time, but after losing 3 games from the same philosophy, he should be willing to answer or at least acknowledge his critics. Yet, instead, he seemed to show frustration at the criticism from the media as if he was above it. He even wanted to advise the media what to write on rather than doing the simple think of acknowledging the concerns and revisit the game plan. Yet, he portrayed himself ignorant and was willing to drag the team down with the same philosophy.

In hindsight, everything turned out, yet some wonder what this season could have been. If it continues I think his recruiting, on-the-field talent, and motivational speeches will have to bail him out of some of his questionable in-game strategies.

He made changes. Butch's "conservative" philosophy would have had us in the SECCG if the defense makes one of five fourth down stops. Everyone wants to talk about the offense, but we scored 27 against the UF defense- enough to win. Defense needed a stop at a crucial time and couldn't get it. Just like Denver's did yesterday.

 

[drvenner]

Ok....if you want to act like this message board was the only one voicing criticism then you have short-term memory.

Many analysts all throughout the country had the same concerns. You don't have to be a collegiate football coach to notice that the team blew 3 large halftime leads and deduce a reason from it. The only response Butch would give is that the defense failed to make one play that would have one game. Yet, ignored the part he played in allowing teams to get back in the game with his in-game coaching strategy.

Coaches make mistakes during the game. It is the hindsight is 20/20 rule. Coach Jones' mistakes were unfortunate, but not illustrative of his overall gameday coaching ability. I am sure that he learned from his mistakes. One of the best coaches in the game, made a huge mistake last night by not kicking a field goal on two consecutive trips to the red zone and lost the game by two points. It happens. If it continues to happen, then I think that more criticism is warranted. I think it is appropriate to criticize about an individual game, but to characterize him as a poor game day coach is way too premature.