'16 SC RB Tavien Feaster

[JRVFL]

Seems as if the Clemson Insider has more level headed posters than TigerBait, or whatever it's called. But I did find this gem.

Haha was just about to share that.

 

[vavolfan6]

TBH, once the dust settles,.I think we will.have a hard time dismounting Feaster from Clemson. UT has alot of hype right now, but we are going to have a hard time selling this kid playing time. Barring an unfortunate injury to our players, he is going to have to sit behing Kamara and Hurd for his first year and most likely one of them his second year.

On the other hand, from the sound of the Clemson boards, Feaster would immediately be given the starting position. Also, I feel he is going to be pressured by not only his family, but his highscool and local media to play for Clemson.

UT has alot to overcome. Butch would have to pinpoint how Feaster would perfectly fit our scheme. Also, we would have to sell that it is better for Tavien's development to sit on the bench and grow rather than starting immediately. To do so, we would have to prove that our coaches, facilities, and support Systems in place provide a supperrior environment than that of Clemson.

Turning around a football program in three years and making them SEC East champs would be the perfect apologetic...its not out of reach

 

[engineerVOL]

TBH, once the dust settles,.I think we will.have a hard time dismounting Feaster from Clemson. UT has alot of hype right now, but we are going to have a hard time selling this kid playing time. Barring an unfortunate injury to our players, he is going to have to sit behing Kamara and Hurd for his first year and most likely one of them his second year.

On the other hand, from the sound of the Clemson boards, Feaster would immediately be given the starting position. Also, I feel he is going to be pressured by not only his family, but his highscool and local media to play for Clemson.

UT has alot to overcome. Butch would have to pinpoint how Feaster would perfectly fit our scheme. Also, we would have to sell that it is better for Tavien's development to sit on the bench and grow rather than starting immediately. To do so, we would have to prove that our coaches, facilities, and support Systems in place provide a supperrior environment than that of Clemson.

Turning around a football program in three years and making them SEC East champs would be the perfect apologetic...its not out of reach

Thoughtful and level-headed comment. I agree. I don't see it happening unless Clemson shoots themselves in the foot.

 

[MikeDVol]

 

[BigOrange15]

Didn't realize 2nd tier equals top 10 all time program.

Clearly you don't realize what " means either.

 

[DaddyChad]

TBH, once the dust settles,.I think we will.have a hard time dismounting Feaster from Clemson. UT has alot of hype right now, but we are going to have a hard time selling this kid playing time. Barring an unfortunate injury to our players, he is going to have to sit behing Kamara and Hurd for his first year and most likely one of them his second year.

On the other hand, from the sound of the Clemson boards, Feaster would immediately be given the starting position. Also, I feel he is going to be pressured by not only his family, but his highscool and local media to play for Clemson.

UT has alot to overcome. Butch would have to pinpoint how Feaster would perfectly fit our scheme. Also, we would have to sell that it is better for Tavien's development to sit on the bench and grow rather than starting immediately. To do so, we would have to prove that our coaches, facilities, and support Systems in place provide a supperrior environment than that of Clemson.

Turning around a football program in three years and making them SEC East champs would be the perfect apologetic...its not out of reach

I think Hurd or Kamara will be gone by Feaster's sophomore year. One will probably still be here to split the load with him but I see him getting a lot of carries if he plays up to his potential which I think he will. I know a lot of guys want to be "the man" and get the rock every play but in the SEC I don't see that as the best philosophy for a player's long term career if they want to play on Sundays. Look at all the elite backs that have likely had their years that they can earn in the NFL reduced or in some cases lost the opportunity to play entirely. Make no mistake the kid will get early PT wherever he lands, he is that good; but him getting the ball fed to him every single play isn't good for his long term future IMO.

 

[palmer103]

If you post on a team message board, you are a fan. Fans, by definition, are a bit over the top. Some fans can balance their fanaticism with reason. Some, not so much. Every fanbase will contain crazies, and the bigger the fanbase, the greater probability of crazies. I personally enjoy the insight of our resident kitty fan and others like HG. Hang around y'all.

I do think the CU fan that thinks that CBJ underperforms completely underestimates 1) how down we were in talent, 2) how costly the loss of both lines was, and 3) how weak the play calling was. Pretty sure the hype from the experts is due to them seeing the reality. Soon...

Mostly, it's people's ignorance or the fact that they're just trying to spew insults. I read somewhere that Butch is 1-16 vs ranked teams, and it's tough to deny that doesn't jump out at you. Now, if you don't do some digging on your own and realize that he was probably grossly out-talented in those games at Central Michigan, Cincinnati and at least year 1 at Tennessee, then you're not being fair in your assessment that he can't win on the big stage, or whatever your claim is about his coaching ability.

With that, this is something that is going to be hanging over his head in the year(s) to come. It's one thing for your fanbase to give him a free pass based on the extensive knowledge of what he inherited, but you can't expect your rivals to (not talking Clemson here as much as UF, Bama, etc).

Now, I see Tenn on the rise. I think it's hard not to if you try to be neutral on the topic and look at what he's brought in. But there are some people that are going to say "show me" before they become believers. I don't think that's too unreasonable.

 

[tn4elvis]

Mostly, it's people's ignorance or the fact that they're just trying to spew insults. I read somewhere that Butch is 1-16 vs ranked teams, and it's tough to deny that doesn't jump out at you. Now, if you don't do some digging on your own and realize that he was probably grossly out-talented in those games at Central Michigan, Cincinnati and at least year 1 at Tennessee, then you're not being fair in your assessment that he can't win on the big stage, or whatever your claim is about his coaching ability.

With that, this is something that is going to be hanging over his head in the year(s) to come. It's one thing for your fanbase to give him a free pass based on the extensive knowledge of what he inherited, but you can't expect your rivals to (not talking Clemson here as much as UF, Bama, etc).

Now, I see Tenn on the rise. I think it's hard not to if you try to be neutral on the topic and look at what he's brought in. But there are some people that are going to say "show me" before they become believers. I don't think that's too unreasonable.

Good post.You are fast approaching HG as my favorite rival poster.

 

[BowlBrother85]

TBH, once the dust settles,.I think we will.have a hard time dismounting Feaster from Clemson. UT has alot of hype right now, but we are going to have a hard time selling this kid playing time. Barring an unfortunate injury to our players, he is going to have to sit behing Kamara and Hurd for his first year and most likely one of them his second year.

On the other hand, from the sound of the Clemson boards, Feaster would immediately be given the starting position. Also, I feel he is going to be pressured by not only his family, but his highscool and local media to play for Clemson.

UT has alot to overcome. Butch would have to pinpoint how Feaster would perfectly fit our scheme. Also, we would have to sell that it is better for Tavien's development to sit on the bench and grow rather than starting immediately. To do so, we would have to prove that our coaches, facilities, and support Systems in place provide a supperrior environment than that of Clemson.

Turning around a football program in three years and making them SEC East champs would be the perfect apologetic...its not out of reach

Butch must be successfully addressing most of your concerns or he wouldn't have taken the visit in the first place. I don't know of many 5* star backs that lack confidence or are afraid of competition and there are plenty of carries to go around anyway. He would definitely not be sitting the bench at Tennessee as you suggest.

 

[Nashvegas31]

Anyone that has watched every game of every year of TN football knows Butch does more with less and not vice versa as opposing fans like to claim.

always prepared and disciplined. It's been clear the only thing holding us back was a Jimmy and Joes issue. That is no longer a problem starting this year.

 

[UTMVol76]

Anyone that has watched every game of every year of TN football knows Butch does more with less and not vice versa as opposing fans like to claim.

always prepared and disciplined. It's been clear the only thing holding us back was a Jimmy and Joes issue. That is no longer a problem starting this year.

Couldn't have said it better.

Proof: Where did we rank in penalties committed? That is coaching and discipline.

 

[led0321]

Anyone that has watched every game of every year of TN football knows Butch does more with less and not vice versa as opposing fans like to claim.

always prepared and disciplined. It's been clear the only thing holding us back was a Jimmy and Joes issue. That is no longer a problem starting this year.

I agree, but 99% of college football fans do not realize how far TN fell in regards to talent.

 

[CWGvol]

I think Hurd or Kamara will be gone by Feaster's sophomore year. One will probably still be here to split the load with him but I see him getting a lot of carries if he plays up to his potential which I think he will. I know a lot of guys want to be "the man" and get the rock every play but in the SEC I don't see that as the best philosophy for a player's long term career if they want to play on Sundays. Look at all the elite backs that have likely had their years that they can earn in the NFL reduced or in some cases lost the opportunity to play entirely. Make no mistake the kid will get early PT wherever he lands, he is that good; but him getting the ball fed to him every single play isn't good for his long term future IMO.

I think most backs know this as well... times have changed and being the only back carrying the load for 1 to 3 years just isn't smart.

 

[butchna]

Couldn't have said it better.

Proof: Where did we rank in penalties committed? That is coaching and discipline.

Special teams also...litmus test for coaching detail. Palardy before and after.

 

[engineerVOL]

The fight in them while down 3 TDs late in the 4th quarter is further evidence of a team with good leadership.

 

[SeanJean]

There have been some legitimate questions about Butch's gameday coaching ability in the first couple of years at UT (umm, Florida anybody?), but his roster has been a very veritable excuse. He also has had some games that he didn't have any business being in with that roster but still won or nearly won (SC, UGA in both years). This year he doesn't have the roster excuse, so it's go time. Simple as that.

 

[LouderVol]

So football started 6 years ago? Good to know. You guys got a nice little back and forth rivalry going with Vandy then.

Also, let's go back and edit the past 10 pages about how much better of a program Tenn is than Clemson, b/c that's certainly not been the case the past 6 years.

See how that works when you try to distort facts by putting them in a vacuum?

you asked for "in what world would SC be better than CU" (paraphrasing too lazy to quote) I gave you one such view that could explain how SC > CU. i don't really care about either school, just giving you an answer to a question that you wouldn't liked answered not matter what the answer was.

 

[Falcons02]

Have you not judged us (UT) by a short period of time, and based your opinion of Clemson being a better football program by that short time period?

Use that "vacuum", young lady?

Second time this week I've needed this gem...

 

[SSVol]

Mostly, it's people's ignorance or the fact that they're just trying to spew insults. I read somewhere that Butch is 1-16 vs ranked teams, and it's tough to deny that doesn't jump out at you. Now, if you don't do some digging on your own and realize that he was probably grossly out-talented in those games at Central Michigan, Cincinnati and at least year 1 at Tennessee, then you're not being fair in your assessment that he can't win on the big stage, or whatever your claim is about his coaching ability.

With that, this is something that is going to be hanging over his head in the year(s) to come. It's one thing for your fanbase to give him a free pass based on the extensive knowledge of what he inherited, but you can't expect your rivals to (not talking Clemson here as much as UF, Bama, etc).

Now, I see Tenn on the rise. I think it's hard not to if you try to be neutral on the topic and look at what he's brought in. But there are some people that are going to say "show me" before they become believers. I don't think that's too unreasonable.

If we don't show meaningful improvement this year, criticism is completely merited. With a different OL last year, we go 8-4. If we don't do at least that this year, CBJ's seat should get warm. If we don't win at least 9 in '16, comparisons to Richt will be rampant...and deserved. We still don't have great depth though, and while our best 22 can match with anybody's, I think it falls off pretty fast due to youth. If we see key injuries, I think the seat cools a bit...for a little while. By the time '14 are seniors...zero excuses. Win or leave.

 

[Hens67]

Clemson 247 War Room 7/28

We've been down this road with Ray-Ray, Deon and Deshaun. Nothing to see with five-star running back Tavien Feaster's visit to Tennessee. The relationship Feaster's family has with Clemson and the staff is a critical factor here.

“That kid isn’t going anywhere else,” a source familiar with his recruitment told Clemson247.

So there is nothing to be concerned about when it comes to the No. 1 running back in the country and his pledge to the Tigers.

 

[Evol]

Years later while coaching at Arkansas scumbag Danny Ford was over heard on TV saying "I hope they (Heath Shuler) tears a knee up right here" because he couldn't handle the beat down the Vols were giving him.

Ha! Ha! I remember that too and even though it was caught on video, Ford tried to claim later that he had said, "I hope they take a knee right here."... Danny showed his true colors at Arkansas where he was under a microscope and forced to play by the rules.

I had never heard this before so I looked it up. He clearly says "I hope they tear a knee up right here". 1:29:45 mark

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbv9rBJ_7cI

 

[eazyTD]

Gunkel is with InsideTennessee

@TeranJ_VLZ: .@CoryGunkel on 5* RB Tavien Feaster: "I'd say it's 50-50 between Tennessee and Clemson after this weekend."

 

[Tuckervol1003]

There have been some legitimate questions about Butch's gameday coaching ability in the first couple of years at UT (umm, Florida anybody?), but his roster has been a very veritable excuse. He also has had some games that he didn't have any business being in with that roster but still won or nearly won (SC, UGA in both years). This year he doesn't have the roster excuse, so it's go time. Simple as that.

I certainly would never tell people that they cannot have opinions on how a coach performs on game day. We all have our own opinions on that. Some are more thought out than others. Some are merely emotional responses to a win or a loss.

But, be careful with expectations this year. I have seen a decent number of people who look at our roster and say "ok, we back at full strength. Time to prove it". Well, when you have a starting QB who has not played a full season yet and nothing but true freshmen behind that, you are not ready to conquer college football yet. You are praying that our injury situation improves from the last few years.

I will be thrilled if we can get to 9 -3 this year. 8 - 4 would be acceptable as well.

 

[eazyTD]

Clemson 247 War Room 7/28

We've been down this road with Ray-Ray, Deon and Deshaun. Nothing to see with five-star running back Tavien Feaster's visit to Tennessee. The relationship Feaster's family has with Clemson and the staff is a critical factor here.

“That kid isn’t going anywhere else,” a source familiar with his recruitment told Clemson247.

So there is nothing to be concerned about when it comes to the No. 1 running back in the country and his pledge to the Tigers.

 

[Falcons02]

I don't know where the hell people get the idea that Butch (and even going back to Dooley) has fielded a Bama level roster in recent years and failed to win with it.

At first I thought it was just dumb Vandy fans, but I'm seeing it from more and more fanbases lately.

I know why... Because Tennessee is close to returning to national prominence and they're desperately grasping for a reason, any reason, to believe it isn't happening.

Unfortunately for them...