'16 TN LB Tim Hart (FORMER UT commit 6/26/15)

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UTwild82 said:
All kinds of things. He's a f*****g baby, grow up, he's trash, etc. You name it, it's been said.

I have little to no problem with what Butch did. If we have better options available, we have to get the best available. It's, sadly, the nature of the game. Players do it all the time. But there's no reason for supposed adults to jump on FB, twitter and talk bad. About an 18 year old. It's pathetic.
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I hate social media sometimes.

Agreed its pathetic and this kid darn sure doesnt deserve it
 
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If the reality were you offered 25 guys and they all stay committed then fine. But it isn't. It's always fluid.

Plus Butch is just saving him a step that will inevitably occur.
 
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Question...how do you know how old the people are that are bashing him? There are probably more 13 year olds than 30 year olds. That is a completely arbitrary bunch of horse crap. The kid never taking an official is evidence enough to me that his offer was contingent...all that being said..I wish people had enough sense to leave him alone.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
Nygel Edmonds was going to Stanford initially and I'm not sure what was behind his flip to Cal, but I believe he's good enough to play here. We've had some trouble of late getting the private school kids out of the Chattanooga area. If MS State can build 9 win teams in the SEC west with another solid P5 school in state I think we could "manage" on a lot of TN talent. TN talent alone won't get us to where we ultimately want to be, no doubting that.
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You keep mentioning Ms State as if that is the lofty goal we should aspire to. I want much more than that.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
Question...how do you know how old the people are that are bashing him? There are probably more 13 year olds than 30 year olds. That is a completely arbitrary bunch of horse crap. The kid never taking an official is evidence enough to me that his offer was contingent...all that being said..I wish people had enough sense to leave him alone.
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Wasn't it being reported for weeks there may be an issue with Hart and possibly being dropped? He posted stuff on his Twitter apparently. Like I said before, maybe when he tried to set up his OV they said no. Obviously he then knew he was being dropped and posted his Twitter thoughts. I have no doubt even if UT was on the fence with keeping Hart, his OV would have not been before mid Jan. Right about the time he found out his spot was nonexistent.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
Question...how do you know how old the people are that are bashing him? There are probably more 13 year olds than 30 year olds. That is a completely arbitrary bunch of horse crap. The kid never taking an official is evidence enough to me that his offer was contingent...all that being said..I wish people had enough sense to leave him alone.
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Agree with this. Good luck Tim. Hope you find a great situation.
 
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junder13 said:
I thought from the day he committed that this was a scenario that would likely play out once higher-rated recruits joined later in the process. Several other posters speculated as much. If so many were thinking that, then why offer the scholarship 8 months before signing day in the first place? Butch Jones has done this numerous times over the last 3 years and EVERY time the same excuses are thrown out by the same people. I see this as a microcosm of society in general. People will excuse bad behavior (often irrespective of the perceived degree of injustice) if it results in something they want or if addressing said bad behavior would be out of favor with the masses. In this case, the majority of UT fans are quick to dismiss the head coach backing out on his scholarship offer to a kid because they believe a higher rated kid will likely replace him, which they believe will likely result in more wins in the future. It's a small but effective example of how people will bend or even break principles to get what they want, especially behind the mask of an unanimous computer. While Hart may not have developed like expected (hoped), that doesn't change the fact that he shouldn't have been offered a scholarship in the first place. The only kid that Jones has done this to that would have surprised most fans was probably the DE from Florida (the worst offense because it was only a week or so before NSD). Every other occurrence there was plenty of speculation that it would happen from the moment of the commitment going public. If it is that obvious to fans, then why does our coach keeping doing this? That question doesn't really matter anyway though, because it should never happen -- marginal talent, elite talent, or otherwise. The only justified reason for backing out of a commitment to a scholarship offer is grades and for moral reasons. I doubt either apply here, nor did it apply the numerous other instances.

A person of principal should find this pattern to be disturbing, no matter how many other schools do it or not. And winning does not cure all -- only glosses over the unscrupulous for the indecent. And I was just beginning to become more favorable of Jones, too...

Carry on.
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not really sure you quite understand the nuances of cfb recruiting. i agree we should have a coach with strong moral fiber, and i believe CBJ has that.

these things happen. all the time. it's a part of recruiting and the kids know it. they might have thin skin because they are young, but they are knowledgable about the process.
 
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BruinVol said:
I hate social media sometimes.

Agreed its pathetic and this kid darn sure doesnt deserve it
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The kid darn sure didn't have to put it out to the world like that either. It could have been a simple "After consideration, I'm no longer committed to UT and I'm actively seeking other options for my future."

And done.

Yet Hart himself made this into a public spectacle. Giving the university a black eye in the process as plenty of news sites covered that very same note he released. So if he wanted attention, he surely got it. And he now has to take the good with the bad.

It may be pathetic, but there are two sides to this and he's not as innocent or as victimized as he makes himself out to be.
 
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Grand Vol said:
The kid darn sure didn't have to put it out to the world like that either. It could have been a simple "I'm no longer committed to UT and I'm actively seeking other options for my future."

And done.

Yet Hart himself made this into a public spectacle. Giving the university a black eye in the process as plenty of news sites covered that very same note he released. So if he wanted attention, he surely got it. And he now has to take the good with the bad.

It may be pathetic, but there are two sides to this and he's not as innocent or as victimized as he makes himself out to be.
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Lol

I guess the kid should have just bent over and taken it like a female dog
 
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Grand Vol said:
The kid darn sure didn't have to put it out to the world like that either. It could have been a simple "After consideration, I'm no longer committed to UT and I'm actively seeking other options for my future."

And done.

Yet Hart himself made this into a public spectacle. Giving the university a black eye in the process as plenty of news sites covered that very same note he released. So if he wanted attention, he surely got it. And he now has to take the good with the bad.

It may be pathetic, but there are two sides to this and he's not as innocent or as victimized as he makes himself out to be.
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Why should he have to hide the fact that he was (possibly) lied to by a grown adult representing a major state university (probably the highest paid public official in Tennessee, by the way) simply because making the matter public would be an inconvenience for the school that reneged his scholarship offer? He shouldn't.

Voicing his situation is the right thing to do, as it is for all athletes that have this done to them, whether it be a revenue making sport or not, whether it be DI, II, III or wherever.

That's the great thing about social media -- especially for those not in position of power -- it gives them an opportunity to have a voice that's heard. I haven't read Hart's message so I don't know about the "delivery", but I am glad he went public assuming he was done an injustice (and, no, offering a "blue shirt" would not have made the situation any more acceptable).
 
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junder13 said:
I thought from the day he committed that this was a scenario that would likely play out once higher-rated recruits joined later in the process. Several other posters speculated as much. If so many were thinking that, then why offer the scholarship 8 months before signing day in the first place? Butch Jones has done this numerous times over the last 3 years and EVERY time the same excuses are thrown out by the same people. I see this as a microcosm of society in general. People will excuse bad behavior (often irrespective of the perceived degree of injustice) if it results in something they want or if addressing said bad behavior would be out of favor with the masses. In this case, the majority of UT fans are quick to dismiss the head coach backing out on his scholarship offer to a kid because they believe a higher rated kid will likely replace him, which they believe will likely result in more wins in the future. It's a small but effective example of how people will bend or even break principles to get what they want, especially behind the mask of an unanimous computer. While Hart may not have developed like expected (hoped), that doesn't change the fact that he shouldn't have been offered a scholarship in the first place. The only kid that Jones has done this to that would have surprised most fans was probably the DE from Florida (the worst offense because it was only a week or so before NSD). Every other occurrence there was plenty of speculation that it would happen from the moment of the commitment going public. If it is that obvious to fans, then why does our coach keeping doing this? That question doesn't really matter anyway though, because it should never happen -- marginal talent, elite talent, or otherwise. The only justified reason for backing out of a commitment to a scholarship offer is grades and for moral reasons. I doubt either apply here, nor did it apply the numerous other instances.

A person of principal should find this pattern to be disturbing, no matter how many other schools do it or not. And winning does not cure all -- only glosses over the unscrupulous for the indecent. And I was just beginning to become more favorable of Jones, too...

Carry on.
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Tell me about these unanimous computers...
 
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BruinVol said:
Lol

I guess the kid should have just bent over and taken it like a female dog
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I guess the kid could have had some class about it as well. Very simply put, could have just de-committed and moved on with nobody being the wiser. But he decided to open himself up to the criticism over the message. And if it comes out that this story is in fact a figment of his imagination and a cry for attention (it's not an unknown story) then he would be pure plutonium from that point forward.

Let's face it, I doubt very seriously nobody was in contact with that kid. You commit to a program and I'd guarantee you someone is talking to him.
 
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