'17 FL WR Jacquez Jones (UT signee)

[chavisut]

Last year and do far this year, but it's early, I know. But that equates to roughly half. It's his 4th class.

Last year's class was far from sucking. Lack of DL keep it from being a great class, but it is strong otherwise.

 

[VolForLife83]

Minus Sutton... and Vereen, Weisman, Kendrick, Foreman, Josh Smith, Vickers, Evan Berry, Wolf, Gaulden, Robertson, Thomas, Moseley, Owen Williams, Austin Smith, Chance Hall... all 3 stars, all of whom are projected to start or get significant playing time this year... or previous years (Owen Williams). We sure are trending down... GTFO

Not all 3 stars. And of course they will see significant pt. That's about all we have. Jumper seen lots of pt, as well. See, it goes both ways. My case was for his last class and this class. What do we have after this class is gone that's going to have us where we're projected for this season?

All I'm saying is all 3 stars can't carry us to championships and be a Sutton.

Playing time can't be used as an excuse, because this class will be used to help fill the void left after this season.

And besides those 2 top5 classes, we can't really say if his recruiting is going to work out because we're still reaping the rewards. Take away the 4 and 5 stars on offense and defense and your telling me we would be where we are now, and that were going to be OK after this season?

It's going to be damn hard to replace 4-5* impact players like Dobbs, Hurd, Kamara, Barnett, etc. And replace them with hopeful 3* diamonds and continue the same level of play.

Bama, UGA, UF, OM, Clemson and the likes sure ain't

 

[kamoshika]

They’ve told him they expect him to make an impact in their offense as “a slot guy.”

“They said I can kill teams down the middle — running down the middle, screens, jets — all the stuff that I do now, and just play the role that they want us to play," said Jones...“I feel like, if you work hard, you can play at any school, so I’m just going to outwork everybody there.”
Florida WR expects to 'thrive' with Vols

 

[OGbabyaviVol]

Great attitude, young man!

 

[bbstone]

I think it might called player development. I'm no head coach or recruiting wizard, but after the 1st year in a college program does the high school star thing even matter any more. Come out high school a 3* and after the 1st year in college be NFL prospect. TCU never gets the 4 and 5* but somehow always good. But the haven't got a natty either.

 

[VolForLife83]

I think it might called player development. I'm no head coach or recruiting wizard, but after the 1st year in a college program does the high school star thing even matter any more. Come out high school a 3* and after the 1st year in college be NFL prospect. TCU never gets the 4 and 5* but somehow always good. But the haven't got a natty either.

Or schemes, don't forget the conference strength. When teams like Bama have NFL rosters, we'll be stuck scratching our asses wondering why we're not playing on their level. Especially with our WRS "development" and throw game

 

[sonofUT62]

Last year and do far this year, but it's early, I know. But that equates to roughly half. It's his 4th class.

Last year had the No 2 DT quarterback, No 1 JUCO and probably the best secondary class in the history of this University. If you think it "sucked" then you're a Moran.

 

[VOLATNES]

No, because the success we're having, is coming from highly rated players. Minus Sutton.

Everyone can't expect, every 3 star will be a Sutton.

Playing time should be a selling point again, as most of our playmakers will be gone after this season.
We can't continue to load up on 3*s and be in discussions of winning the SEC and playoffs. Stop the "Butch hasn't let us down" talk. Because as I already stated, this success and hype is coming from his top 5 class of 4 and 5 stars. Sure some kids will rank up and some will be diamond's in the rough, but stop with the playing time, because it's wide open next season. And we were just filling needs last class, and the " I trust Butch and this staff" crap.5 years ago, the same argument was used to defend Dooley. Thats the mess we're still cleaning.

Yes it's early, but so far it's looking like Butch is not the recruiter we thought. And so far, to this point, half his classes have/are sucking. Obviously, we're trending down and these other classes haven't given us nothing to say if this staff knows what their doing, but I know every 3* is not going to be a diamond and your only trying cover that sinking feeling by saying otherwise.

Wow. Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.

 

[UT General]

Last year had the No 2 DT quarterback, No 1 JUCO and probably the best secondary class in the history of this University. If you think it "sucked" then you're a Moran.

Also very excited about the WR class. Byrd and Callaway seem like they could be playmakers. My favorite one is Henderson though. I think he is gonna be a star. The TE class looks promising. A lot of schools came after Pope and Brooks was a top 100 player before his 2nd torn ACL.
The guy has no clue other than what star ranking the player's have.

 

[wildorange]

It's amazing every year as we head toward the summer there are always doubters of our recruiting ability. Just watch folks, Coach Jones and staff along with our success on the field this year will clearly show we are headed for many years of success. One thing some folks continue to miss on with this staff is it's ablility to find players early in the process and then you see other schools come on like sharks GO BIG ORANGE!!!!!!

 

[Orange And Garnet]

No, because the success we're having, is coming from highly rated players. Minus Sutton.

Everyone can't expect, every 3 star will be a Sutton.

Playing time should be a selling point again, as most of our playmakers will be gone after this season.
We can't continue to load up on 3*s and be in discussions of winning the SEC and playoffs. Stop the "Butch hasn't let us down" talk. Because as I already stated, this success and hype is coming from his top 5 class of 4 and 5 stars. Sure some kids will rank up and some will be diamond's in the rough, but stop with the playing time, because it's wide open next season. And we were just filling needs last class, and the " I trust Butch and this staff" crap.5 years ago, the same argument was used to defend Dooley. Thats the mess we're still cleaning.

Yes it's early, but so far it's looking like Butch is not the recruiter we thought. And so far, to this point, half his classes have/are sucking. Obviously, we're trending down and these other classes haven't given us nothing to say if this staff knows what their doing, but I know every 3* is not going to be a diamond and your only trying cover that sinking feeling by saying otherwise.

I'm just going to pull a Catbone right here.


Lol

 

[Catbone]

No, because the success we're having, is coming from highly rated players. Minus Sutton.

Everyone can't expect, every 3 star will be a Sutton.

Playing time should be a selling point again, as most of our playmakers will be gone after this season.
We can't continue to load up on 3*s and be in discussions of winning the SEC and playoffs. Stop the "Butch hasn't let us down" talk. Because as I already stated, this success and hype is coming from his top 5 class of 4 and 5 stars. Sure some kids will rank up and some will be diamond's in the rough, but stop with the playing time, because it's wide open next season. And we were just filling needs last class, and the " I trust Butch and this staff" crap.5 years ago, the same argument was used to defend Dooley. Thats the mess we're still cleaning.

Yes it's early, but so far it's looking like Butch is not the recruiter we thought. And so far, to this point, half his classes have/are sucking. Obviously, we're trending down and these other classes haven't given us nothing to say if this staff knows what their doing, but I know every 3* is not going to be a diamond and your only trying cover that sinking feeling by saying otherwise.

I agree with everything except the last paragraph. You lost me there. Yes recruiting has sucked but it will be MUCH better IF we win like we are supposed to. So don't worry yet.

 

[Lefteye]

I agree with everything except the last paragraph. You lost me there. Yes recruiting has sucked but it will be MUCH better IF we win like we are supposed to. So don't worry yet.

Your avi cracks me up.

Good post but I'd replace sucked with disappointing so far.

 

[BucksnortVol]

If TN recruiting continues like this, then we had better win a lot with 120. A lot of us praised the class we took in 16 in terms like "solid" and "potentially able" and developmental. Good....Warrior, Byrd, and a few others are going to "wow" our opponents.
But we rounded a down hill curve in our 2016 recruiting class. And now in 17 we are, frankly, stinking to high Heaven with these 3s we are taking. They don't send a message of excellence demanded in the UT name. And this last one, Jones is accelerating our recruiting descent. Jones has lower numbers than Mo Burnam who, among others now committed to UT, has no business trying to win at the highest level of SEC football. If you disagree with me then page over and look at AL, LSU, GA, and Mississippi's recruiting classes so far this cycle. Bembrys, Jones, and Burnams will not win against the talent levels being won year after year by our opponents. Our classes in 14' and 15' were fantastic, but 16' not so much. Now, with instate talent abounding in 17', we're shouting "BOOM!" over landing a committment from the 1064th ranked (per 247) prospect in America.......who, incidentally, will still take all five of his official visits (good!).
Butch.....you hired Scott to do better than this with FL recruiting......the talent level accepted in 16' and 17', so far, just isn't up to SEC championship snuff. This is Tennessee, not Cincinnati. You gotta do better than this.

 

[scvolfan7]

If TN recruiting continues like this, then we had better win a lot with 120. A lot of us praised the class we took in 16 in terms like "solid" and "potentially able" and developmental. Good....Warrior, Byrd, and a few others are going to "wow" our opponents.
But we rounded a down hill curve in our 2016 recruiting class. And now in 17 we are, frankly, stinking to high Heaven with these 3s we are taking. They don't send a message of excellence demanded in the UT name. And this last one, Jones is accelerating our recruiting descent. Jones has lower numbers than Mo Burnam who, among others now committed to UT, has no business trying to win at the highest level of SEC football. If you disagree with me then page over and look at AL, LSU, GA, and Mississippi's recruiting classes so far this cycle. Bembrys, Jones, and Burnams will not win against the talent levels being won year after year by our opponents. Our classes in 14' and 15' were fantastic, but 16' not so much. Now, with instate talent abounding in 17', we're shouting "BOOM!" over landing a committment from the 1064th ranked (per 247) prospect in America.......who, incidentally, will still take all five of his official visits (good!).
Butch.....you hired Scott to do better than this with FL recruiting......the talent level accepted in 16' and 17', so far, just isn't up to SEC championship snuff. This is Tennessee, not Cincinnati. You gotta do better than this.

U mad?

 

[drvenner]

Not all 3 stars. And of course they will see significant pt. That's about all we have. Jumper seen lots of pt, as well. See, it goes both ways. My case was for his last class and this class. What do we have after this class is gone that's going to have us where we're projected for this season?

All I'm saying is all 3 stars can't carry us to championships and be a Sutton.

Playing time can't be used as an excuse, because this class will be used to help fill the void left after this season.

And besides those 2 top5 classes, we can't really say if his recruiting is going to work out because we're still reaping the rewards. Take away the 4 and 5 stars on offense and defense and your telling me we would be where we are now, and that were going to be OK after this season?

It's going to be damn hard to replace 4-5* impact players like Dobbs, Hurd, Kamara, Barnett, etc. And replace them with hopeful 3* diamonds and continue the same level of play.

Bama, UGA, UF, OM, Clemson and the likes sure ain't

So, you've already classified the 2016 class as "sucking" when not one player from any class has played one single down of college football. Just go ahead and keep "making your point." Then, we will all really know what sucks and what doesn't.

 

[BruinVol]

So, you've already classified the 2016 class as "sucking" when not one player from any class has played one single down of college football. Just go ahead and keep "making your point." Then, we will all really know what sucks and what doesn't.

So just to clarify when we were committing 4/5 star guys left and right in the previous classes you weren't getting excited because they hadn't played "one single down of college football" ?

 

[butchna]

So just to clarify when we were committing 4/5 star guys left and right in the previous classes you weren't getting excited because they hadn't played "one single down of college football" ?

So just to clarify, when said recruiting classes were being assembled, YOU weren't incessantly harping on some other perceived or contrived failure from the coaching staff? :question:


All in the spirit of KEEPING IT REAL. k:

 

[drvenner]

So just to clarify when we were committing 4/5 star guys left and right in the previous classes you weren't getting excited because they hadn't played "one single down of college football" ?

I get excited about all of our commitments, but I do get more excited about our higher ranked recruits. That is not the same as saying that the previous class sucked without anyone playing a single down. We missed on a couple of guys I wanted last year, but that happens in about every class. I just choose to withhold judgment and refrain from making blanket statements without any evidence.

 

[Smokey123]

Yall negavols acting like we barely signed any 3*'s in the last couple classes. We signed 10+ each of the last 3 years and 15+ in 2 of those. It's may, some of these 3*'s will be 4*'s before NSD. We went from Dooley, to being playoff contenders in 4 years. Trust CBJ and the staff, they know what they are doing, especially when it comes to finding underrated recruits.

 

[VolForLife83]

I agree with everything except the last paragraph. You lost me there. Yes recruiting has sucked but it will be MUCH better IF we win like we are supposed to. So don't worry yet.

OK, sucking was a bit much. Declining is better.

 

[JohnD13]

No, because the success we're having, is coming from highly rated players. Minus Sutton.

Everyone can't expect, every 3 star will be a Sutton.

Playing time should be a selling point again, as most of our playmakers will be gone after this season.
We can't continue to load up on 3*s and be in discussions of winning the SEC and playoffs. Stop the "Butch hasn't let us down" talk. Because as I already stated, this success and hype is coming from his top 5 class of 4 and 5 stars. Sure some kids will rank up and some will be diamond's in the rough, but stop with the playing time, because it's wide open next season. And we were just filling needs last class, and the " I trust Butch and this staff" crap.5 years ago, the same argument was used to defend Dooley. Thats the mess we're still cleaning.

Yes it's early, but so far it's looking like Butch is not the recruiter we thought. And so far, to this point, half his classes have/are sucking. Obviously, we're trending down and these other classes haven't given us nothing to say if this staff knows what their doing, but I know every 3* is not going to be a diamond and your only trying cover that sinking feeling by saying otherwise.

Just can't be a little happy huh? Sad really....

 

[VOLATNES]

If TN recruiting continues like this, then we had better win a lot with 120. A lot of us praised the class we took in 16 in terms like "solid" and "potentially able" and developmental. Good....Warrior, Byrd, and a few others are going to "wow" our opponents.
But we rounded a down hill curve in our 2016 recruiting class. And now in 17 we are, frankly, stinking to high Heaven with these 3s we are taking. They don't send a message of excellence demanded in the UT name. And this last one, Jones is accelerating our recruiting descent. Jones has lower numbers than Mo Burnam who, among others now committed to UT, has no business trying to win at the highest level of SEC football. If you disagree with me then page over and look at AL, LSU, GA, and Mississippi's recruiting classes so far this cycle. Bembrys, Jones, and Burnams will not win against the talent levels being won year after year by our opponents. Our classes in 14' and 15' were fantastic, but 16' not so much. Now, with instate talent abounding in 17', we're shouting "BOOM!" over landing a committment from the 1064th ranked (per 247) prospect in America.......who, incidentally, will still take all five of his official visits (good!).
Butch.....you hired Scott to do better than this with FL recruiting......the talent level accepted in 16' and 17', so far, just isn't up to SEC championship snuff. This is Tennessee, not Cincinnati. You gotta do better than this.

Cause everybody knows that recruiting services and their star ratings mean so much more than what college coaches think. And everybody knows to that those committed in May are the same ones committed in February. Some of y'all really need to find a better hobby for the summer months.

 

[highspeed]

Cause everybody knows that recruiting services and their star ratings mean so much more than what college coaches think. And everybody knows to that those committed in May are the same ones committed in February. Some of y'all really need to find a better hobby for the summer months.

Agreed on all points.

Aside from that, the 2016 class actually had a higher average star ranking on the 247 composite (89.60) than the 2015 (89.43) or 2014 (89.51) classes. So people complaining about star rankings don't really have a leg to stand on.

The only complaint I have about the 2016 class is the lack of any high school D-linemen. I really think that could come back to haunt us if we don't absolutely kill it in D-line recruiting this year. Other than that though, the 2016 class is very good (at least on paper).

 

[Kristy*]

So just to clarify when we were committing 4/5 star guys left and right in the previous classes you weren't getting excited because they hadn't played "one single down of college football" ?

So just to clarify, when said recruiting classes were being assembled, YOU weren't incessantly harping on some other perceived or contrived failure from the coaching staff? :question:


All in the spirit of KEEPING IT REAL. k:

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