'17 GA CB/S Shawn Shamburger (UT signee)

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tonybologna said:
We aren't going to have the depth at LB to play a 3-4 in 2017?

LB1 Darrin Kirkland Jr.
LB2 Cortez McDowell
LB3 Colton Jumper
LB4 Gavin Bryant
LB5 Dillon Bates
LB6 Daniel Bituli
LB7 Quart'e Sapp
LB8 Elliott Berry
LB9 Will Ignont (freshman)
LB10 Ja'Quain Blakely
LB11 Shanon Reid (freshman)
LB12 Solon Page III (freshman)
LB13 [/B]ATH/DE Marquez Bembry (freshman)
LB14 T.J. Minnifee (freshman)
LB15 Matt Ballard
LB16 DaJour Maddox
LB17 Landon Knoll

That's 13 possibly 14 deep right there. The last few are walk-ons. I would have to disagree with you personally but we all have our own opinions. We definitely have more depth now & don't lose a lot down to number 13 on the depth chart. Thanks!
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There's really not that much proven talent except for Kirkland. If Jumper and Bates are on the field then we're in trouble. McDowell wasn't very impressive either. Also most of those guys we need to put on around 10-15 lbs
 
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Caleb59seal said:
On tape what is your perfect CB? Skill technique length speed twich( do you worry about that much) foot speed... What do you teach when he gets beat and is out of postion... What is the recovery process... I teach to push to his inside should and play ball if at all possible but if they are not quick enough to recover then play through the WR... Use the rake tech... Which means to me uppercut with you outside hand and if ability is there shift your hips towards the receiver and bat down on the ball.... Then I start working on fighting the ball out to switch postion which includes more of a strip mentality as opposed to just batting the ball... Takes a lot more skill but if successful can be a beautiful thing to watch...
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Depends on who the CB is. Have to catch up first to make any kind of play. Get in position to at the least make the tackle. But of course you go to strip the ball out by any means if he's in the process of catching the ball. Most of my CBs play on top/ahead of guys though. I hate trailing WRs. Play aggressive slide stepping and staying on the top shoulder. We will give up the back shoulder throws but not the bomb.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
Depends on who the CB is. Have to catch up first to make any kind of play. Get in position to at the least make the tackle. But of course you go to strip the ball out by any means if he's in the process of catching the ball. Most of my CBs play on top/ahead of guys though. I hate trailing WRs. Play aggressive slide stepping and staying on the top shoulder. We will give up the back shoulder throws but not the bomb.
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What do you teach for them to stay up top.... Do you have them shuffle and jam with the outside hand or off hand.... Or what do you teach on off coverage and what is your favorite coverage...?
 
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Caleb59seal said:
What do you teach for them to stay up top.... Do you have them shuffle and jam with the outside hand or off hand.... Or what do you teach on off coverage and what is your favorite coverage...?
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All coverages are my favorite. Lol My guys learn to shadow early man. I've got a 12 year old that knows three different ways to play man. Sometimes we slow shuffle to set up a pick or we get in a WR. Just whatever we can to disrupt the WRs or create a turnover. But in off coverage they are sitting inside a bit or immediately take the inside a way as soon as the play starts.

All my guys can play press though and have patience preached on the jam. I'd love to coach Justin Martin up. His length and speed would make my job so easy. Lol

And hand placement depends on the release of the WR and where you are forcing him. Have to always play to get the leverage right in the coverage. Also depends on if you have a safety lurking.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
All coverages are my favorite. Lol My guys learn to shadow early man. I've got a 12 year old that knows three different ways to play man. Sometimes we slow shuffle to set up a pick or we get in a WR. Just whatever we can to disrupt the WRs or create a turnover. But in off coverage they are sitting inside a bit or immediately take the inside a way as soon as the play starts.

All my guys can play press though and have patience preached on the jam. I'd love to coach Justin Martin up. His length and speed would make my job so easy. Lol

And hand placement depends on the release of the WR and where you are forcing him. Have to always play to get the leverage right in the coverage. Also depends on if you have a safety lurking.
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Slow shuffle? I probably teach it I just don't call it that... What do you mean by slow shuffle... And what are ways you teach to play man? Sorry man don't mean to bug you just want to see if there is stuff you teach that would be beneficial that I don't already do.
 
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Caleb59seal said:
Slow shuffle? I probably teach it I just don't call it that... What do you mean by slow shuffle... And what are ways you teach to play man? Sorry man don't mean to bug you just want to see if there is stuff you teach that would be beneficial that I don't already do.
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Slow shuffle and slow stim steps depending on the coverage. We don't fly into shuffle steps because we trust our speed to go make a play.

Man coverage can be played with different leverages and based on the WR and your DB they need to play on top or super aggressive(against a guy that's short or has trouble stacking DBs). Go watch Ohio State CBs play Mike Williams compared to Alabama CBs. They both are playing man but the Buckeye CBs are much better coached in man coverage to me.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
Slow shuffle and slow stim steps depending on the coverage. We don't fly into shuffle steps because we trust our speed to go make a play.

Man coverage can be played with different leverages and based on the WR and your DB they need to play on top or super aggressive(against a guy that's short or has trouble stacking DBs). Go watch Ohio State CBs play Mike Williams compared to Alabama CBs. They both are playing man but the Buckeye CBs are much better coached in man coverage to me.
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What is slow shuffle? The shuffle steps I am referring to is at the beginning of the route so that they stay on top of the reciever before he gets up field to knock off timing for the WR and QB...
 
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Caleb59seal said:
What is slow shuffle? The shuffle steps I am referring to is at the beginning of the route so that they stay on top of the reciever before he gets up field to knock off timing for the WR and QB...
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Oh no it's done with about a 5 yard cushion to begin the play. It's an off coverage techinique that I'm talking about in particular. The side step shuffle you are talking about is probably one of the first things we cover though. Staying on the top shoulder or in the WR chest making him extremely uncomfortable while forcing a tight throw.

That's one thing I didn't like out of our CBs. They did not consistently make passes hard to be completed. If a QB consistently has to fit passes into tight windows he will turn the ball over. They will all blow up with their WRs under considerable coverage pressure from good aggressive CBs.
 
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I was talking about this with my son yesterday. If we had competent corner back play this past season, Barnett would have had around 18 sacks minimum. QB's were able to complete to many easy, uncontested passes. Plus, I've never seen any college player get held more than Barnett and not get the call. It was ridiculous.
 
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bigl3327 said:
I was talking about this with my son yesterday. If we had competent corner back play this past season, Barnett would have had around 18 sacks minimum. QB's were able to complete to many easy, uncontested passes. Plus, I've never seen any college player get held more than Barnett and not get the call. It was ridiculous.
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His Sophomore year was terrible as far as no calls.(Barnett)

I will say this, if Sutton had played he would've went in the first round with that pass rush. Ball was coming out fast and he was making big plays early.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
His Sophomore year was terrible as far as no calls.(Barnett)

I will say this, if Sutton had played he would've went in the first round with that pass rush. Ball was coming out fast and he was making big plays early.
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I don't disagree. I think many underestimate the year that would have been without the injuries. We had 4 potential 1st team all SEC players on our defense in the preseason, and lost 3 of them almost immediately. JRM, Sutton, and DKjr were all set to have amazing seasons.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
His Sophomore year was terrible as far as no calls.(Barnett)

I will say this, if Sutton had played he would've went in the first round with that pass rush. Ball was coming out fast and he was making big plays early.
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Sutton is back to his old self. MC Bowl and SR. Bowl he looked good. I bet he goes no lower than 2nd round now.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
Oh no it's done with about a 5 yard cushion to begin the play. It's an off coverage techinique that I'm talking about in particular. The side step shuffle you are talking about is probably one of the first things we cover though. Staying on the top shoulder or in the WR chest making him extremely uncomfortable while forcing a tight throw.

That's one thing I didn't like out of our CBs. They did not consistently make passes hard to be completed. If a QB consistently has to fit passes into tight windows he will turn the ball over. They will all blow up with their WRs under considerable coverage pressure from good aggressive CBs.
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Ohhhh ok I know what you are talking about now... I just label that under flatfoot reading... The only reason I do is because are not fast enough and I haven't had time to teach them proper angles and technique to just stay flat footed and let the WR come upfield and break the receivers cushion... The only way I see us being successful on that is to get a great jam right about at the armpit of the receiver and I don't really know if I wanna take that chance with them yet...
 
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bigl3327 said:
I was talking about this with my son yesterday. If we had competent corner back play this past season, Barnett would have had around 18 sacks minimum. QB's were able to complete to many easy, uncontested passes. Plus, I've never seen any college player get held more than Barnett and not get the call. It was ridiculous.
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I agree. And if JRM was healthy all season that would also have helped Barnett greatly.
 
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Ron Swanson said:
I agree. And if JRM was healthy all season that would also have helped Barnett greatly.
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I think people around the NCAA world greatly under appreciate just what Derek Barnett did this season basically single handedly.... I mean just gameplannig alone... Do you know how much extra time teams had to gameplan for Barnett because of everyone else being out.....
 
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Caleb59seal said:
Ohhhh ok I know what you are talking about now... I just label that under flatfoot reading... The only reason I do is because are not fast enough and I haven't had time to teach them proper angles and technique to just stay flat footed and let the WR come upfield and break the receivers cushion... The only way I see us being successful on that is to get a great jam right about at the armpit of the receiver and I don't really know if I wanna take that chance with them yet...
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Ohhhhh hmmmm..... we are never flat footed. Lol
 
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The Breakerboy said:
Ohhhhh hmmmm..... we are never flat footed. Lol
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Ok then your going to have to explain to me what slow shuffle is because I have never heard of slow shuffle before..... I have heard of slide shuffle while your in a half turn like Saban's Cover 3 coverage techniques.... I am not understanding the principle of "slow shuffle".... So break it down for me and let me see if it is something I do that you are jut using another name for... My best understanding of what you are saying is that it is an off coverage technique that you slowly shuffle either right or left depending on the way the wide receiver goes... To put yourself in phase through the start of the receivers route...? So what am I not understanding...
 
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Caleb59seal said:
Ok then your going to have to explain to me what slow shuffle is because I have never heard of slow shuffle before..... I have heard of slide shuffle while your in a half turn like Saban's Cover 3 coverage techniques.... I am not understanding the principle of "slow shuffle".... So break it down for me and let me see if it is something I do that you are jut using another name for... My best understanding of what you are saying is that it is an off coverage technique that you slowly shuffle either right or left depending on the way the wide receiver goes... To put yourself in phase through the start of the receivers route...? So what am I not understanding...
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No we are shuffling getting depth not to the left or right.
 
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